News 2019 Rumour File - discuss rumours here!

[Grenville]

Darren Jarman

Carey - ageing, and unique circumstances but still counts for me.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Even though AFC deserve this, makes me sad that a lot of players want nothing to do with the crows. Otten would have been an excellent coach.

Your post is BS as Otten loves the AFC and if he leaves for another coaching role its purely bwcause its the right decision to kick off his coaching career in an environment where he is coaching players that he hasnt played witj....

I also find it amusing that Freo if true are appointing Asst Coaches before they appoint a Head Coach

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[1970crow]

Correct, my point is we are losing top end red blue yellow quality for our young pups..

Sloane & Lynch will be the final wise dinosaurs for our club
(Tex will sink next season)

You’ve obviously missed the bit where we have a culture problem. Sauce a key ingredient in that.

 

[Golumless]

When the last time a genuine A grader was traded here? A genuine top 20 player in the league?

Adelaide as a city just isn't a attractive city to live if you're 20 something on 800k

The only way a A grader will come here is if they're drafted here, and ascwe know most of them leave before they hit peak form

Does this not concern anyone? How are we suposed to win Premierships with out Stars??

Not particularly. Trading in top 20 players in the league (and to the same extent, A graders, though with more leeway as there are times you need to make a splash i.e. Gibbs (despite it also showing the risk of acquiring such talent)) are just expensive fan service.

How many have Geelong won with Dangerfield? Sydney with Franklin (being the two top 20 players in the past decade who remained as such and a good deal of time has passed since)? You could make the argument that Sydney cost themselves a premiership through acquiring Franklin (and Tiprat) through what it inevitably cost them with the loss of depth.

To win a premiership, you need a deep core of top line players. Not just a meh squad sprinkled with one or two genuine superstars. The Hawthorn (and Geelong, though they were heavily supplemented by FS) approach of develop your core through the draft (Hodge, Mitchell etc) and reclamation projects/bargains (Burgoyne) is the most reliable method to that goal. Not only that, but who you have coaching is also just as, if not more important than the players itself.

The days of paper bags winning premierships are long rotting in the grave, and will be until the salary cap is abolished.

 

[dplggr47]

When the last time a genuine A grader was traded here? A genuine top 20 player in the league?

Adelaide as a city just isn't a attractive city to live if you're 20 something on 800k

The only way a A grader will come here is if they're drafted here, and ascwe know most of them leave before they hit peak form

Does this not concern anyone? How are we suposed to win Premierships with out Stars??

The only players we manage to recruit are those 'coming home to SA' usually also involving bigger deals (Betts), more opportunity (Sauce) or go home factor (Gibbs).
As for the non-Vics, it's usually low to mid-tier players looking for more opportunity.

Not sure why Crows never recruit any big names. The only other teams who probably don't are Gold Coast (no one wants to go there unless it's for ridiculous amounts of money) or GWS (because they can't afford any more superstars).

 

[Thetrader15]

The only players we manage to recruit are those 'coming home to SA' usually also involving bigger deals (Betts), more opportunity (Sauce) or go home factor (Gibbs).
As for the non-Vics, it's usually low to mid-tier players looking for more opportunity.

Not sure why Crows never recruit any big names. The only other teams who probably don't are Gold Coast (no one wants to go there unless it's for ridiculous amounts of money) or GWS (because they can't afford any more superstars).

Add North, Carlton, Saints, Dogs...

 

[Golumless]

The only players we manage to recruit are those 'coming home to SA' usually also involving bigger deals (Betts), more opportunity (Sauce) or go home factor (Gibbs).
As for the non-Vics, it's usually low to mid-tier players looking for more opportunity.

Not sure why Crows never recruit any big names. The only other teams who probably don't are Gold Coast (no one wants to go there unless it's for ridiculous amounts of money) or GWS (because they can't afford any more superstars).

You'd be hard pressed to find any trade in the league that doesn't involve those three, or more money.

 

[jenny61_99]

Darren Jarman

Eddie Betts?

 

[Samcro24]

Eddie Betts?

Worked out well but not considered in the top 20 players in the league.

Hell, half the football world thought it was a stretch to pay him 500k p.a.

 

[jackster83]

Add North, Carlton, Saints, Dogs...

West Coast rarely do either (up until now with Kelly anyway).

Kennedy was just starting out in his career, as was Yeo.

Wellingham is probably their biggest name recruit in the last 10 years.

 

[Elite Crow]

West Coast rarely do either (up until now with Kelly anyway).

Kennedy was just starting out in his career, as was Yeo.

Wellingham is probably their biggest name recruit in the last 10 years.

Jetta

 

[WetCrow1991]

Not particularly. Trading in top 20 players in the league (and to the same extent, A graders, though with more leeway as there are times you need to make a splash i.e. Gibbs (despite it also showing the risk of acquiring such talent)) are just expensive fan service.

How many have Geelong won with Dangerfield? Sydney with Franklin (being the two top 20 players in the past decade who remained as such and a good deal of time has passed since)? You could make the argument that Sydney cost themselves a premiership through acquiring Franklin (and Tiprat) through what it inevitably cost them with the loss of depth.

To win a premiership, you need a deep core of top line players. Not just a meh squad sprinkled with one or two genuine superstars. The Hawthorn (and Geelong, though they were heavily supplemented by FS) approach of develop your core through the draft (Hodge, Mitchell etc) and reclamation projects/bargains (Burgoyne) is the most reliable method to that goal. Not only that, but who you have coaching is also just as, if not more important than the players itself.

The days of paper bags winning premierships are long rotting in the grave, and will be until the salary cap is abolished.

By risk obtaining such talent (Gibbs) do you mean someone who hasn't got much talent, is a squib and is rubbish?

Because there is plenty of risk in trading for someone like that.

 

[jackster83]

Jetta

He was looking cooked by the end of his time in Sydney. Had become a bit of a whipping boy. Eagles fans were not happy when they traded for him, even though it only cost them their backup ruck.

Credit to him for turning it around.

 

[1991firstgamer]

Granted Sando had a good first year, but it certainly wasn’t sustained.
And at least 50% of our GF side were recruited post Burn’s comments.

With out knowing full context of what Burn’s said, I don’t think it was completely invalid.

Incidentally, why was Sando sacked and so late after the season ended?
Heard rumours of off field stuff.

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[Golumless]

By risk obtaining such talent (Gibbs) do you mean someone who hasn't got much talent, is a squib and is rubbish?

Because there is plenty of risk in trading for someone like that.

Gibbs at Carlton was a blue chip midfielder. A- with the potential that support put around him would push him to the next level. What he's been here has been nothing more than a shadow of that.

The risk is the club they are that sometimes makes a player an A grader, more so than the player itself, through structures/surrounding players or in some cases, lack thereof. In Gibbs case, a lack of competition made him shine a bit more then he would have elsewhere.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Nah. Gibbs was never a top 20 mid and we paid top 10 prices

 

[BrissyCrow]

The only players we manage to recruit are those 'coming home to SA' usually also involving bigger deals (Betts), more opportunity (Sauce) or go home factor (Gibbs).
As for the non-Vics, it's usually low to mid-tier players looking for more opportunity.

Not sure why Crows never recruit any big names. The only other teams who probably don't are Gold Coast (no one wants to go there unless it's for ridiculous amounts of money) or GWS (because they can't afford any more superstars).

For the past 5 -6 years many people on here have questioned how much spare money we have to pay for these so called top star players. The issue being that we have a lot of mid-quality players who are getting over paid. So is this part of the reason why we dont attract the stars??

 

[Murray2503]

For the past 5 -6 years many people on here have questioned how much spare money we have to pay for these so called top star players. The issue being that we have a lot of mid-quality players who are getting over paid. So is this part of the reason why we dont attract the stars??

Yes. Our philosophy is to spread the cap and reward for past deeds and not prioritise future potential as much as we should. This needs to change to rewarding key position players along the spine of the side and then filling the other position with role player types. Club needs to move away from rewarding for loyalty later in a career but instead rewarding a player when at their peak and then trading the player when they start to drop off. That way we sell high and continue to get good youth pushing through. The club must start valuing high end youth better and actually play them like other clubs. We must start going after kids that can impact straight away (in other words dont need 3 years in a gym).

Our other problem is that we have been locked into long term contracts with players such as Jenkins which we should never have been allowed. Club needs to be very selective who they give long term deals too and not be scared to let a player go if its not right for the club. Winning a flag must be the only focus with every decision that's made. The club must become the most ruthless club in the league to have any chance of winning a flag. If a key player being traded improves the long term outlook of the team then these calls must be made even if their is supporter backlash. Playing things safe has got the club nowhere. The club must start taking some calculated risks to get a good payoff. Success builds trust from the supporter base. If the club is successful even the trading of a favourite son would be accepted if the club has the runs on the board. Everything comes back to culture. Good culture attracts good people whilst also weeding out selfish poor character types. Just an observation but the club must start to put more emphasis on toughness when bringing a player into the club. The fact you can hardly find a tattoo in the joint is not a good sign. I hate tatoo's but the point is we need a bit of nastiness and steel in the team. Unsociable crows must a term we hear in the future. Gws against the Bulldogs week 1 of the finals is the perfect blueprint for the style of game that stands up.

 

[GreyCrow]

Tattoos on their own are not a sign of ''nastiness'' but just a symptom of current youth culture. But to our conservative insurance banker led Board they are a sign of bad boys bad boys and that cant be had.

Man buns on the other hand

 

[Wheatbelt Crow]

When the last time a genuine A grader was traded here? A genuine top 20 player in the league?

Adelaide as a city just isn't a attractive city to live if you're 20 something on 800k

The only way a A grader will come here is if they're drafted here, and ascwe know most of them leave before they hit peak form

Does this not concern anyone? How are we suposed to win Premierships with out Stars??

I think we need to look more closely at the Brisbane model, I wouldn’t mind getting one of their assistants (not as head coach).

Five or so years ago, players couldn’t wait to get out of the place, now their attracting players.
Winning obviously helps, but the culture plays a big part. Brisbane does have an advantage over Adelaide, in that its inviting for players who want do get out of the limelight of footy states.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Tim Watson is saying Sauce has agreed to a two year deal at GWS.

 

[FR0GGY]

Tim Watson is saying Sauce has agreed to a two year deal at GWS.

Source?

 

[Geoffa32]

When the last time a genuine A grader was traded here? A genuine top 20 player in the league?

Adelaide as a city just isn't a attractive city to live if you're 20 something on 800k

The only way a A grader will come here is if they're drafted here, and ascwe know most of them leave before they hit peak form

Does this not concern anyone? How are we suposed to win Premierships with out Stars??

Has either SA club attracted a genuine A grade talent with no SA link?
Paddy Ryder maybe, but he was jumping ship from Essendon and only Port and Brisbane were keen to take the 1 year sanction gamble.

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[Crow_68]

Source?

Tim Watson....


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[Snake_Baker]

Hmmmmm, is Brodie Grundy on his way home?