I recognise that tonight's been ******* awful, and that there will be a multitude of strong opinions to express. But recognise that we as a community have resolved to treat each other with decency, and this thread will be moderated accordingly.
Folks, we have done this previously and we feel it is time to do it again. There is a increasing amount of smug and dismissive posting happening on the boards. People are being ridiculed for reasonable opinions and this serves to quell debate and a sense of community, which is what we are here...
There seems to be a need to place a victory like this into context. WC had a few out, they're plumbing the depths, in game injuries, etc, and all of these are true. But the problem I have with this is that for a result to go this way at AFL level, you need these things to happen; AFL teams are...
We are an average side with an average coaching department (not just Voss)
We are not likely to make finals this year
Our wins (and draw) this year have come against sides who are likely to finish low down on the ladder. If we played Geelong now, and they were in form, we'd lose comfortably.
We rely too much on our two key forwards, in particular Charlie Curnow
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Charlie Curnow
Age
27
Ht
194cm
Wt
94kg
Pos.
Fwd
Career
Season
Last 5
D
13.3
3star
K
9.7
4star
HB
3.6
3star
M
5.3
5star
T
2.2
4star
G
1.3
5star
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D
10.8
3star
K
6.4
3star
HB
4.4
4star
M
3.2
4star
T
1.6
4star
G
0.8
4star
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, as McKay has poor goal-kicking
Our small forwards are well below league standard
We have put too much focus on getting contested ball-winners (Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett, E. Curnow, etc) and endurance runners (Hollands, Acres, Binns, O'Brien, Cottrell, E. Curnow) and not enough on players with speed and/or a high level of skill.
Ed Curnow should have been retired at the end of last year
So, what's the solution? In the short term, prioritise giving certain players (Binns, Dow, Cowan, etc) better opportunities over the ones that have underperformed and won't feature in our push for a premiership (E. Curnow, Honey, Silvagni). Medium term, change some of the coaching appointments. If not Voss, then certainly Hamill et al. Longer term, shift our recruitment strategy away from an over-reliance on contested/endurance players and more towards quicker players with quality skills.
Thoroughly disappointed in the effort tonight, but very proud of the 'Carlton Respects' initiative that the club continues to champion.
The thing that sums up this season for so far is, the losses we had last season (Crows, Saints and Lions so far) have literally been carbon copy games this season.
We’re no better, if anything we’re worse off.
We don’t learn from our mistakes, we panic, we seem scared of “the moment”
There’s been legitimately one, maybe two players who can put their heads up high through the good and the bad games and that Cerra + potentially Charlie.
Bam Bam being sub is dumb.
The fact that it’s not just the coach that’s the issue is what scares me the most. I hate this feeling, feels like an earlier version of last year already…
It's sad that for me the Tassie side can't come soon enough. Not because I'll turn away from the Blues, but just to have some excitement in footy again...
This club is absolutely the best at building hope then extinguishing every spark of it out the next week.
23 consecutive paid up years of that s**t wears you down.
I seriously cannot watch, listen to, or read any of the fluff from them anymore.
The herrr Derr kick it long down the line plan was made even worse this week by every player forward of the ball playing behind their opponent.
******* well done Cerra and Kennedy. Tipping my hat to Kemp who got thrown onto Cameron after he'd already kicked a bunch and was on fire and shut him down. Wasn't a complete game from anyone but cerra though and I think the setups are a large reason.
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