Adrian Dodoro: Football’s Biggest Fraud IMO

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Essendon entered the trade period with two clear objectives:
1. Secure Jake Kelly as lockdown defender
2. Secure additional draft picks in 15-30 range

He noted tonight he’s having conversations with clubs around realising the second objective.

Hill would’ve been an unexpected surprise addressing a need however TBH a fare and reasonable deal was never going to progress in the Giants eyes. Essendon didn’t approach Hill this time so the responsibility lies with the player in this instance. Note, Essendon have the Davey brothers to draft next year that is another opportunity to close this area off.

Broadly, Essendon’s list is largely in place and it’s now all about development over the next 2 years.

That may sound dull and not help the trolls around here but Essendon are tracking beautifully on its strategic plan and journey and if it can securea further pick under 30 in the draft they will privately be chortling.

Essendon now turn to the draft to lock in the final plank of its foundation rebuild with everything in place to ready itself for the launch in 2023 for expected and hoped period of sustained success.
 

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You seriously think that the Bombers/Dodoro had no part to play in Hill publicly nominating Essendon?
So what if they did, GWS didn’t want to trade him and that was that.

Just like Dunkley, Bulldogs wouldn’t trade him, both were offered fair deals and declined, what’s the knock on Dodoro for either of them?

Luckily for Essendon Dunkley didn’t get there as Parish would most likely be stuck on a flank still and we wouldn’t have the youth we do.
 
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So what if they did, GWS didn’t want to trade him and that was that.

Just like Dunkley, Bulldogs wouldn’t trade him, both were offered fair deals and declined, what’s the knock on Dodoro for either of them?

Luckily for Essendon Dunkley didn’t get there as Parish would most likely be stuck on a flank still and we wouldn’t have the youth we do.
"Fair deals" according to who, Dodoro?

If Dodoro wasn't part of the planning to announce to the world that Bobby Hill wanted to become an Essendon player a few days out from the end of trade period (leaving little time for GWS to react) then fair enough. Otherwise, his plan to pressure clubs to trade through a media campaign failed two years running. If it was 'never happening' (because they weren't prepared to stump up the GWS asking price) then why did they decide to play it out through the media, without at least determining roughly what that asking price might have been first?

Parish's form this year is irrelevant.
 

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"Fair deals" according to who, Dodoro?

If Dodoro wasn't part of the planning to announce to the world that Bobby Hill wanted to become an Essendon player a few days out from the end of trade period (leaving little time for GWS to react) then fair enough. Otherwise, his plan to pressure clubs to trade through a media campaign failed two years running. If it was 'never happening' (because they weren't prepared to stump up the GWS asking price) then why did they decide to play it out through the media, without at least determining roughly what that asking price might have been first?

Parish's form this year is irrelevant.
The state of this
 

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"Fair deals" according to who, Dodoro?

If Dodoro wasn't part of the planning to announce to the world that Bobby Hill wanted to become an Essendon player a few days out from the end of trade period (leaving little time for GWS to react) then fair enough. Otherwise, his plan to pressure clubs to trade through a media campaign failed two years running. If it was 'never happening' (because they weren't prepared to stump up the GWS asking price) then why did they decide to play it out through the media, without at least determining roughly what that asking price might have been first?

Parish's form this year is irrelevant.
So once a player nominates a club, there is a responsibility to pay whatever is asked?

If Ridley nominates the dogs next year, and Dodoro says the price is 3 top 5 picks, should (insert whoever is in charge of the dogs list here) cough up because that was what was asked?

Future 2nd was more than generous for Hill, and Dunkley offer that was rejected last year was also overs. Was wise to walk away.
 

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So once a player nominates a club, there is a responsibility to pay whatever is asked?

If Ridley nominates the dogs next year, and Dodoro says the price is 3 top 5 picks, should (insert whoever is in charge of the dogs list here) cough up because that was what was asked?

Future 2nd was more than generous for Hill, and Dunkley offer that was rejected last year was also overs. Was wise to walk away.
That's not what I said, it's clearly not on Dodoro to offer a blank cheque to trade.

My point was that IF he had a role in getting the contracted player to come out publicly and nominate Essendon (ie to pressure the opposition club into dealing) then maybe he should have done his homework first to know that it was actually attainable - that's in response to comments saying that it was 'never going to happen'. The club holding the contract can generally set the price, even if it seems ridiculous to the club chasing.

Otherwise, don't bother playing it through the media. It's not a criticism that he hasn't overpaid for Dunkley or Hill, it's a criticism in the apparent method to try and get it done because it's now failed twice. Surely that has an impact on others considering trying to get to Essendon next year? Perhaps not.
 

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That's not what I said, it's clearly not on Dodoro to offer a blank cheque to trade.

My point was that IF he had a role in getting the contracted player to come out publicly and nominate Essendon (ie to pressure the opposition club into dealing) then maybe he should have done his homework first to know that it was actually attainable - that's in response to comments saying that it was 'never going to happen'. The club holding the contract can generally set the price, even if it seems ridiculous to the club chasing.

Otherwise, don't bother playing it through the media. It's not a criticism that he hasn't overpaid for Dunkley or Hill, it's a criticism in the apparent method to try and get it done because it's now failed twice. Surely that has an impact on others considering trying to get to Essendon next year? Perhaps not.
Playing it out through the media is not on him.

Look at the interest in Dodoro every trade week. There are articles about him when he isn't involved in anything.

Any time Essendon are involved there is far more media interest, so I don't think it is this master strategy you think it is.
 

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"Fair deals" according to who, Dodoro?

If Dodoro wasn't part of the planning to announce to the world that Bobby Hill wanted to become an Essendon player a few days out from the end of trade period (leaving little time for GWS to react) then fair enough. Otherwise, his plan to pressure clubs to trade through a media campaign failed two years running. If it was 'never happening' (because they weren't prepared to stump up the GWS asking price) then why did they decide to play it out through the media, without at least determining roughly what that asking price might have been first?

Parish's form this year is irrelevant.
There was no GWS asking price, they didn’t want to trade him. Essendon offered what anyone with half an idea would think is more than fair.

Trying to pin Hill not getting to Essendon on Dodoro is utter nonsense.
 

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There was no GWS asking price, they didn’t want to trade him. Essendon offered what anyone with half an idea would think is more than fair.

Trying to pin Hill not getting to Essendon on Dodoro is utter nonsense.
An example of what to do in this case is Clayton Oliver last year - mass speculation that he was interested in going to the Blues with some journo's admitting it was a real possibility but when it became obvious he was unattainable because Melbourne had no interest in the trade the matter stopped there and there was no public nomination of a trade from the player or the clubs. Clarry goes back to Melbourne and can brush it off as rumour and none are the wiser as to what really happened.

Dodoro has twice now had a valued player nominate the club - 3 if we count Sheil - and been unable to get even close to a trade being done with either situation. If the Bulldogs from the get go made it clear that Dunkley wasnt being traded nor was Hill with GWS then that should have been the end of it. Instead Dodoro lets it go to the media and Hill publicly nominates the club, just like Dunkley did.

Dodoro's got a reputation as a pain in the ass to deal with for a reason. Its not some grand conspiracy against Essendon, its because every deal he's involved with drags on ungodly lengths of time and he consistently underbids on targets or demands far too much for his own players. Last year he requested Harry Mckay and pick 8 for Adam Saad...
 

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An example of what to do in this case is Clayton Oliver last year - mass speculation that he was interested in going to the Blues with some journo's admitting it was a real possibility but when it became obvious he was unattainable because Melbourne had no interest in the trade the matter stopped there and there was no public nomination of a trade from the player or the clubs. Clarry goes back to Melbourne and can brush it off as rumour and none are the wiser as to what really happened.

Dodoro has twice now had a valued player nominate the club - 3 if we count Sheil - and been unable to get even close to a trade being done with either situation. If the Bulldogs from the get go made it clear that Dunkley wasnt being traded nor was Hill with GWS then that should have been the end of it. Instead Dodoro lets it go to the media and Hill publicly nominates the club, just like Dunkley did.

Dodoro's got a reputation as a pain in the ass to deal with for a reason. Its not some grand conspiracy against Essendon, its because every deal he's involved with drags on ungodly lengths of time and he consistently underbids on targets or demands far too much for his own players. Last year he requested Harry Mckay and pick 8 for Adam Saad...
Lol Oliver was never going to Carlton :tearsofjoy:
 

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An example of what to do in this case is Clayton Oliver last year - mass speculation that he was interested in going to the Blues with some journo's admitting it was a real possibility but when it became obvious he was unattainable because Melbourne had no interest in the trade the matter stopped there and there was no public nomination of a trade from the player or the clubs. Clarry goes back to Melbourne and can brush it off as rumour and none are the wiser as to what really happened.

Dodoro has twice now had a valued player nominate the club - 3 if we count Sheil - and been unable to get even close to a trade being done with either situation. If the Bulldogs from the get go made it clear that Dunkley wasnt being traded nor was Hill with GWS then that should have been the end of it. Instead Dodoro lets it go to the media and Hill publicly nominates the club, just like Dunkley did.

Dodoro's got a reputation as a pain in the ass to deal with for a reason. Its not some grand conspiracy against Essendon, its because every deal he's involved with drags on ungodly lengths of time and he consistently underbids on targets or demands far too much for his own players. Last year he requested Harry Mckay and pick 8 for Adam Saad...
So how do we know Dodoro announced the trade request? That’s just speculation, it was more than likely his manager, he seemed to be the vocal one in this scenario.

Dodoro is even quoted saying he asked the question and GWS weren’t interested, end of story.

You muppets loose your sh*t every time his name gets mentioned, what do you this he’s going to do in a deal? Start out at the middle price? Of course your going to ask for overs first up in any deal.

There’s heaps of trades that don’t go through or are drawn out, every time one of them involved Dodoro every prick loses their mind.
 

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An example of what to do in this case is Clayton Oliver last year - mass speculation that he was interested in going to the Blues with some journo's admitting it was a real possibility but when it became obvious he was unattainable because Melbourne had no interest in the trade the matter stopped there and there was no public nomination of a trade from the player or the clubs. Clarry goes back to Melbourne and can brush it off as rumour and none are the wiser as to what really happened.

Dodoro has twice now had a valued player nominate the club - 3 if we count Sheil - and been unable to get even close to a trade being done with either situation. If the Bulldogs from the get go made it clear that Dunkley wasnt being traded nor was Hill with GWS then that should have been the end of it. Instead Dodoro lets it go to the media and Hill publicly nominates the club, just like Dunkley did.

Dodoro's got a reputation as a pain in the ass to deal with for a reason. Its not some grand conspiracy against Essendon, its because every deal he's involved with drags on ungodly lengths of time and he consistently underbids on targets or demands far too much for his own players. Last year he requested Harry Mckay and pick 8 for Adam Saad...
So Oliver publicly stated through either himself or manager that he wanted to be traded did he?

Comparing that to the Hill and Dunkley situations is some of the dumbest sh*t I’ve read on here.
 
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Lol Oliver was never going to Carlton :tearsofjoy:
Im not going to get in this sh%tfest of an argument because I remember it went on for about 300 pages on his draft/trade thread.


Whether you believe Mcclure or not who gets very good Blues info, thats up to you. Largely I didnt care about the trade then, nor do I now so please dont think im making this a Clarry was going to Carlton argument. Hes just the most recent example I can think of in relation to the Dodoro situation with Dunkley and Hill.

Im simply using it as an example as neither Carlton or Melbourne came out and addressed the rumour mill as it was clear a deal wasnt going to get done even if the rumours were true. Meaning their player could return to the club without going through a media firestorm and as nothing substantial came from it im sure his teammates would have largely unphased. My point being Dodoro gets players nominating Essendon even when its clear the club has no chance of getting a deal done which will then effect the target players trust and relationship with their teammates when they return. Imo its unprofessional for a list boss as its a selfish way to approach things with no regard to the player or club hes trying to poach them from.
 

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Im not going to get in this sh%tfest of an argument because I remember it went on for about 300 pages on his draft/trade thread.


Whether you believe Mcclure or not who gets very good Blues info, thats up to you. Largely I didnt care about the trade then, nor do I now so please dont think im making this a Clarry was going to Carlton argument. Hes just the most recent example I can think of in relation to the Dodoro situation with Dunkley and Hill.

Im simply using it as an example as neither Carlton or Melbourne came out and addressed the rumour mill as it was clear a deal wasnt going to get done even if the rumours were true. Meaning their player could return to the club without going through a media firestorm and as nothing substantial came from it im sure his teammates would have largely unphased. My point being Dodoro gets players nominating Essendon even when its clear the club has no chance of getting a deal done which will then effect the target players trust and relationship with their teammates when they return. Imo its unprofessional for a list boss as its a selfish way to approach things with no regard to the player or club hes trying to poach them from.
Sam McClure said it so it must be true 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Oliver quoted himself, he was going nowhere and then signed a contract extension….
 

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So how do we know Dodoro announced the trade request? That’s just speculation, it was more than likely his manager, he seemed to be the vocal one in this scenario.

Dodoro is even quoted saying he asked the question and GWS weren’t interested, end of story.

You muppets loose your sh*t every time his name gets mentioned, what do you this he’s going to do in a deal? Start out at the middle price? Of course your going to ask for overs first up in any deal.

There’s heaps of trades that don’t go through or are drawn out, every time one of them involved Dodoro every prick loses their mind.
Its been explained by just about every list boss in the comp through interviews and doco series that a player nominating a club is a collaborative process. The players manager and clubs discuss terms and talk with all parties before a nomination is made. You cant tell me it doesnt add mounting pressure on GWS to accept and offer when Hill comes out and publicly nominates Essendon. Even if that was the decision Hill wished to make, Dodoro should have done his due diligence as a veteran list boss and communicated with Hill there is no chance of us getting the deal done according to the communications we've had with GWS so we should leave it there. Instead Hill clearly nominates Dons and the subsequent fiesta begins.
 

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Its been explained by just about every list boss in the comp through interviews and doco series that a player nominating a club is a collaborative process. The players manager and clubs discuss terms and talk with all parties before a nomination is made. You cant tell me it doesnt add mounting pressure on GWS to accept and offer when Hill comes out and publicly nominates Essendon. Even if that was the decision Hill wished to make, Dodoro should have done his due diligence as a veteran list boss and communicated with Hill there is no chance of us getting the deal done according to the communications we've had with GWS so we should leave it there. Instead Hill clearly nominates Dons and the subsequent fiesta begins.
Once again though, you are just speculating that Dodoro announces it or leaks it or whatever you think he does.
 

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Sam McClure said it so it must be true 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Oliver quoted himself, he was going nowhere and then signed a contract extension….
As I said, I have no interest in discussing the Oliver situation any further as it was discussed ad nauseam last year - If you want we can move on to the further comments in that same video regarding David Mundy and Eddie Mcg talking about a player meeting with him at the Brownlow. My point is there are plenty of situations where a player may be interested in a move but its bordering as an impossibility so nothing further progresses as thats the best option for all parties involved.
 

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