Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[Crow till I die]

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Just like gender equality in Tennis - Women get the same pay as the men in the major tournaments...except they only have to play best of 3 sets not best of 5, so the $/minute of play for women is actually vastly more than the men, so its anything but gender (pay) equality

 

[ADL9798]

Nope. Never said that. I said it had a median death age of around 83 prior to the vaccine rollout. Fact.

I might as well leave these replies on loop

Whether you still believe that fact warranted destroying absolutely everything else for two/three years is up to you.

It is a view that is already laughably poisonous and history will view it as so, but feel free to continue to hold it.

When I think about who the phrase “wrong side of history” has been applied to over the years, proponents of eugenics and deliberately cleansing the population of the weak and vulnerable en masse feature pretty prominently, it has to be said.

It's also laughable that you continue to hold the view that with no vaccines, thousands of people infected with COVID walking around our cities and hospitals overflowing that society and our economy would have miraculously functioned as normal. It's magical thinking. Pre-vaccine rollout, COVID smashed every economy around the world. No country escaped this. It's incontrovertible that in Australia, we did a better job than most of mitigating those impacts through our response strategy.

Both these views are consistent with someone who is lacking in empathy and has a narcissistic and very self-centred outlook on life.

These are the things that are unequivocal:

1. They should never have been mandated on anyone.
2. Multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical companies should not have been provided legal immunity for harms caused.
3. Those harms should not have been minimized and covered up.

Remember the former head of the AMA Dr Phelps testifying to parliament that doctors had been muzzled and threatened with loss of registration if they talked about serious adverse reactions?

Of course you do. You just chose not to talk about it.

C’mon ADL. If the nation’s former deputy chief medical officer can admit it, you can too

This must be the 50th time we've discussed this so if you don't mind I'll copy-paste from my previous responses.

• During 2021, numerous published studies and systematically collected disease surveillance data from around the world demonstrated that vaccines did provide a substantial and durable reduction in risk of transmission for the predominant Delta variant (which was circulating at the time vaccine mandates were introduced), as well as reducing severity of illness.
• This all changed when Omicron arrived in late November 2021 - while vaccine efficacy against severe illness remained high, they were far less effective when it came to reducing risk of transmission for this variant. No arguments there.
• The debate from this point on (and a debate that’s worth having) was how quickly any policies instated by governments and private businesses which were predicated on vaccines reducing risk of infection should have been lifted. It’s not reasonable to argue that they were never justified or had any value in any setting whatsoever in the first place, particularly higher risk settings like health and aged care.

As for covering up the harms caused by vaccines, ATAGI routinely publish up to date evidence on age-stratified risks/benefits of COVID vaccination (last updated in January 2024). The TGA published COVID vaccine safety reports bimonthly up to the end of 2023. To this day they continue to find that "for all groups recommended COVID-19 vaccination, the benefit of protection against severe disease greatly outweighs the risk of vaccine-related myocarditis and/or pericarditis".

I get you're deeply upset that these agencies weren't publishing your favourite unfounded conspiracy theories and cherry picked evidence. Does that mean that they're (a) hiding evidence or (b) is it just that they're not idiots, and have professional and ethical standards they need to adhere to?

 

[spenze]

I can just see Kirky being a man of the land, a generational farmer......not

It's not even that in my book, most of the farmers that I have to deal with through my work and I'd happily put this at 60% got a private school education I could have only dreamed of. I know that it doesn't guarantee that someone is super smart but it isn't like they started on the farm at 14, they boarded in the city, they got a high quality education that for some extended to Roseworthy, some to the Waite campus but these kids in the 70s, 80s and 90s were more likely to come back with a tertiary degree than you'd give credit for.

I just think it is a real cheap shot to call someone who works on the farm a "Neanderthal", there is a fair chance he probably knows more on the subject he is talking about than anyone else on this board and resorting to calling him derogatory names reflects someones fear at being able to talk about a subject. I'm sure if this was an Indigenous Elder talking about his fears for his country that he wouldn't be called a Neanderthal.

 

[spenze]

Hungry Jacks will be high fiving themselves.

Of course, in a perfect world Macca addicts will go "Maybe I'll try a fish and chip shop burger"...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Lol permanently I wish.

 

[kirky]

It's not even that in my book, most of the farmers that I have to deal with through my work and I'd happily put this at 60% got a private school education I could have only dreamed of. I know that it doesn't guarantee that someone is super smart but it isn't like they started on the farm at 14, they boarded in the city, they got a high quality education that for some extended to Roseworthy, some to the Waite campus but these kids in the 70s, 80s and 90s were more likely to come back with a tertiary degree than you'd give credit for.

I just think it is a real cheap shot to call someone who works on the farm a "Neanderthal", there is a fair chance he probably knows more on the subject he is talking about than anyone else on this board and resorting to calling him derogatory names reflects someones fear at being able to talk about a subject. I'm sure if this was an Indigenous Elder talking about his fears for his country that he wouldn't be called a Neanderthal.

I’ll call it as I see it, cheap shot, who ******* cares? I certainly don’t.

As I say, perhaps we should ask him does he believe in climate change and renewables etc. I doubt he does but hey who knows. But some of his talking points were laughable.

 

[George Kramer]

I’ll call it as I see it, cheap shot, who ******* cares? I certainly don’t.

As I say, perhaps we should ask him does he believe in climate change and renewables etc. I doubt he does but hey who knows. But some of his talking points were laughable.

Bragging you call it as you see it when you so often see s**t isn’t something to brag about

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I’ll call it as I see it, cheap shot, who ******* cares? I certainly don’t.

As I say, perhaps we should ask him does he believe in climate change and renewables etc. I doubt he does but hey who knows. But some of his talking points were laughable.

Someone on the land that is a generational farmer I suspect would have more idea on climate than a former bank employee. Climate is their life.

 

[spenze]

Someone on the land that is a generational farmer I suspect would have more idea on climate than a former bank employee. Climate is their life.

Now now, don't question his name calling and stereotyping.

 

[Slippery Pete]

The truly amazing thing is nobody could’ve seen this coming

Queensland's Chief Health Officer says it's time to stop using the term 'long COVID'

The state's chief health officer says the description wrongly implied long-term post-COVID viral symptoms were "somehow unique and exceptional" to other viral infections.

www.abc.net.au

“It implies that there is something particularly sinister and ominous about COVID-19.

"Our evidence suggests that there isn't, that it is not dissimilar to other viruses. That does not mean that you can't get these persistent symptoms following COVID-19, but you're no more likely to get it after COVID than with other respiratory viruses."

 

[Slippery Pete]

Both these views are consistent with someone who is lacking in empathy and has a narcissistic and very self-centred outlook on life.

^^Captured here is really the sole reason for your insistence on this failed Covid narrative. You think it gives you the moral high ground.

It doesn’t.

Governments will not be fondly remembered for what they did to people during Covid. They will be resented, hated and excoriated.

You are already in the minority on this forum, judging by the reactions to these posts.

I’m more than happy to revisit this in a few years to discuss just how much further into the minority you slide.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I get you're deeply upset that these agencies weren't publishing your favourite unfounded conspiracy theories and cherry picked evidence. Does that mean that they're (a) hiding evidence or (b) is it just that they're not idiots, and have professional and ethical standards they need to adhere to?

About those “professional and ethical standards” of medical regulators.

Let’s have a look at what former AMA boss Dr Kerryn Phelps said:

Vaccine injury is a subject that few in the medical profession have wanted to talk about. Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events following immunisation, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about anything that “might undermine the government’s vaccine rollout” or risk suspension or loss of their registration.

In trying to convince people in positions of influence to pay attention to the risks of Long COVID and reinfection for people with vaccine injury, I have personally been met with obstruction and resistance to openly discuss this issue. There has been a delay in recognition of vaccine injury, partly because of under-reporting, concerns about vaccine hesitancy in the context of managing a global pandemic, and needing to find the balance between risks and benefits on a population level

Reactions were said to be “rare” without data to confirm how common or otherwise these reactions were. In general practice I was seeing cases, which meant other GPs and specialists were seeing cases too. Without diagnostic tests, we have to rely largely on clinical history.

Without acknowledgment and recognition of post-vaccination syndrome or vaccine injury, there can be no progress in developing protocols for diagnosis and treatment and it is difficult to be included in research projects or treatment programs. It has also meant a long and frustrating search for acknowledgment and an attempt at treatment for many individual patients.

The burden of proof seems to have been placed on the vaccine injured rather than the neutral scientific position of placing suspicion on the vaccine in the absence of any other cause and the temporal correlation with the administration of the vaccine. However, some countries have gathered significant databases of adverse events following immunisation.

 

[adelaidecrows]

It's not even that in my book, most of the farmers that I have to deal with through my work and I'd happily put this at 60% got a private school education I could have only dreamed of. I know that it doesn't guarantee that someone is super smart but it isn't like they started on the farm at 14, they boarded in the city, they got a high quality education that for some extended to Roseworthy, some to the Waite campus but these kids in the 70s, 80s and 90s were more likely to come back with a tertiary degree than you'd give credit for.

I just think it is a real cheap shot to call someone who works on the farm a "Neanderthal", there is a fair chance he probably knows more on the subject he is talking about than anyone else on this board and resorting to calling him derogatory names reflects someones fear at being able to talk about a subject. I'm sure if this was an Indigenous Elder talking about his fears for his country that he wouldn't be called a Neanderthal.

There is an unbelievable amount of science in farming, not to mention an understanding of economics, investment and business principles needed to run a successful farm. Not to mention how many learn mechanics from a young age. Lost to know to run a successful farm thats for sure.

 

[ADL9798]

^^Captured here is really the sole reason for your insistence on this failed Covid narrative. You think it gives you the moral high ground.

It doesn’t.

Governments will not be fondly remembered for what they did to people during Covid. They will be resented, hated and excoriated.

You are already in the minority on this forum, judging by the reactions to these posts.

I’m more than happy to revisit this in a few years to discuss just how much further into the minority you slide.

Haha. You think you’re right because you get from Mutineer & Eagleboy? That is genuinely very funny. Well done.

This thread is also not a representative sample of society. Most people have moved on and don’t think about this anywhere near as much as you think they do. Most people are past the point of re-hashing the same disproven and misinformed COVID conspiracies over and over. For most people there are more relevant and important issues to worry about in 2024.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Warren Mundine is absolutely correct. All our values have disappeared. Every law seems to have been diluted. Sentences reduced and criminals seem empowered.

 

[footy4ever]

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******* hilarious

 

[Crow till I die]

Warren Mundine is absolutely correct. All our values have disappeared. Every law seems to have been diluted. Sentences reduced and criminals seem empowered.

Has George Soros infected our judicial system too?

 

[StonesThrow]

There is an unbelievable amount of science in farming, not to mention an understanding of economics, investment and business principles needed to run a successful farm. Not to mention how many learn mechanics from a young age. Lost to know to run a successful farm thats for sure.

Where do they get their science from? Universities

 

[George Kramer]

Big swings against Labor in the 2 by elections, Bearded Clam you ready for a Lib government?

 

[Bearded Clam]

Big swings against Labor in the 2 by elections, Bearded Clam you ready for a Lib government?

Qld voters do this every 12 or so years.

Have labor for a three or four terms.. then swing wildly to the LNP… then immediately realise their mistake as they get the utter chaos and christian nationalist nonsense of the worst politicians you’ll ever see.

Then they swing wildly back to labor at the very next election.

Look at the last 3 LNP QLD govts. All utterly incompetent and deadset fxxkn hopeless.. and all one term governments.

Its just a QLD thing..

 

[George Kramer]

Qld voters do this every 12 or so years.

Have labor for a three or four terms.. then swing wildly to the LNP… then immediately realise their mistake as they get the utter chaos and christian nationalist nonsense of the worst politicians you’ll ever see.

Then they swing wildly back to labor at the very next election.

Look at the last 3 LNP QLD govts. All utterly incompetent and deadset fxxkn hopeless.. and all one term governments.

Its just a QLD thing..

You think Labor has been competent?

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Qld voters do this every 12 or so years.

Have labor for a three or four terms.. then swing wildly to the LNP… then immediately realise their mistake as they get the utter chaos and christian nationalist nonsense of the worst politicians you’ll ever see.

Then they swing wildly back to labor at the very next election.

Look at the last 3 LNP QLD govts. All utterly incompetent and deadset fxxkn hopeless.. and all one term governments.

Its just a QLD thing..

You have to back a long way for the last 3 LNP governments.

The libs had a 2 1/2 term in government that ended 2015 but the previous 25 years were also Labor.

 

[kirky]

Someone on the land that is a generational farmer I suspect would have more idea on climate than a former bank employee. Climate is their life.

We are talking about climate change and one of its solutions is renewables and that includes solar and wind turbines.

I doubt many on the land actually believe in climate change (some do but the majority don’t).

All I do know is they, farmers etc, can’t control weather ala droughts, floods etc. And when we do have floods or drought they, not all, have a good ole whinge. Well the simple city analogy is buying a property next to an airport and then whinging about the noise planes make. If you work on the land there are risks, those risks are the weather and the price/market for your produce. It is how you manage those risks will depend on your success and in todays world you have to be educated.

 

[kirky]

You have to back a long way for the last 3 LNP governments.

The libs had a 2 1/2 term in government that ended 2015 but the previous 25 years were also Labor.

It is interesting how Queenslanders have over the past 30 or so years, predominantly ALP state wise but Coalition federally.

It will be interesting what happens later this year with LNP likely to be voted into office in September/October and we then have a federal election next May. The LNP currently have 21 of 30 seats, with ALP 5, Greens 3 and Katter 1. Doubt the Coalition will gain any further seats held by the ALP and interestingly, Dickson is the most marginal seat in Queensland held by any party.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You think Labor has been competent?

Certainly not their attempted cover up of the botched forensic testing for the past decade.