Opinion The Adelaide Board Politics/COVID Thread Part 3

[Eagleboy2011]

Wow

Lefty Newsweek

It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives | Opinion​

It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID

Intellectual elitism, credentialism, and classism must end. Restoring trust in public health—and our democracy—depends on it.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Eagleboy2011]

For the fans of US politics:

The Bee is great.

 

[fortunatecrow]

We have structured our capitalism such that this is the trajectory we are on, and there is no political will, or party attempting to change this.

Don't agree that it is even possible to "structure" capitalism let alone that it has been done in this case.

We've certainly structured our tax system to have that effect though. And while many more voters are existing home owners than would-be homeowners, no government will do anything to push house prices down.

 

[fortunatecrow]

Wow

Lefty Newsweek

It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives | Opinion​

It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID

Intellectual elitism, credentialism, and classism must end. Restoring trust in public health—and our democracy—depends on it.

www.newsweek.com

So Newsweek are neo-nazi antivaxxer conspiracy theorists now?

 

[Crow till I die]

So Newsweek are neo-nazi antivaxxer conspiracy theorists now?

you left out the word cooker in there it seems..rookie error no doubt!!!

 

[relapse]

So Newsweek are neo-nazi antivaxxer conspiracy theorists now?

Did you bother to read the article?

Instead, we have witnessed a massive and ongoing loss of life in America due to distrust of vaccines and the healthcare system; a massive concentration in wealth by already wealthy elites; a rise in suicides and gun violence especially among the poor; a near-doubling of the rate of depression and anxiety disorders especially among the young; a catastrophic loss of educational attainment among already disadvantaged children; and among those most vulnerable, a massive loss of trust in healthcare, science, scientific authorities, and political leaders more broadly.

 

[fortunatecrow]

you left out the word cooker in there it seems..rookie error no doubt!!!

Thought about it, but as far as I can tell only actual cookers use the word.

 

[fortunatecrow]

Did you bother to read the article?

Nope. That's the point, on this thread you label people as anti Vax or neo-nazi well before you understand what they are trying to say. I thought I'd give it a try.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Nope. That's the point, on this thread you label people as anti Vax or neo-nazi well before you understand what they are trying to say. I thought I'd give it a try.




You left out woke, leftie and Commie

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Did you bother to read the article?

Instead, we have witnessed a massive and ongoing loss of life in America due to distrust of vaccines and the healthcare system; a massive concentration in wealth by already wealthy elites; a rise in suicides and gun violence especially among the poor; a near-doubling of the rate of depression and anxiety disorders especially among the young; a catastrophic loss of educational attainment among already disadvantaged children; and among those most vulnerable, a massive loss of trust in healthcare, science, scientific authorities, and political leaders more broadly.

Convienient, and dont forget it's from a lefty publication.

"I was wrong. We in the scientific community were wrong. And it cost lives.

I can see now that the scientific community from the CDC to the WHO to the FDA and their representatives, repeatedly overstated the evidence and misled the public about its own views and policies, including on natural vs. artificial immunity, school closures and disease transmission, aerosol spread, mask mandates, and vaccine effectiveness and safety, especially among the young. All of these were scientific mistakes at the time, not in hindsight. Amazingly, some of these obfuscations continue to the present day."

 

[relapse]

Convienient, and dont forget it's from a lefty publication.

"I was wrong. We in the scientific community were wrong. And it cost lives.

I can see now that the scientific community from the CDC to the WHO to the FDA and their representatives, repeatedly overstated the evidence and misled the public about its own views and policies, including on natural vs. artificial immunity, school closures and disease transmission, aerosol spread, mask mandates, and vaccine effectiveness and safety, especially among the young. All of these were scientific mistakes at the time, not in hindsight. Amazingly, some of these obfuscations continue to the present day."

I read the article

The general consensus of the article is about how the messaging was delivered and how mistakes were made which led to a divide that broke trust between people and the medical and scientific community.

Basically admitting that by getting caught up trying to play politics and having such a hardline approach to vaccination has led to a distrust in the vaccine which resulted in more people dying.

Like I said, I actually did go and read the article.

 

[fortunatecrow]

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I read the article

The general consensus of the article is about how the messaging was delivered and how mistakes were made which led to a divide that broke trust between people and the medical and scientific community.

Basically admitting that by getting caught up trying to play politics and having such a hardline approach to vaccination has led to a distrust in the vaccine which resulted in more people dying.

Like I said, I actually did go and read the article.

Like I said, my point wasn't to agree or disagree with the article...although as you summarise it, it seems to be a statement of the bleeding obvious.

My point was to act out the unthinking labelling that frequently occurs if someone suggests that maybe our covid response was not strictly necessary, or cost lives.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

These guys don't give up. They get censored and come up with new way to show what's going on. Pfizer executives looking out the window would have been laughing.

 

[fortunatecrow]

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Like I said, my point wasn't to agree or disagree with the article...although as you summarise it, it seems to be a statement of the bleeding obvious.

My point was to act out the unthinking labelling that frequently occurs if someone suggests that maybe our covid response was not strictly necessary, or cost lives.

relapse, I will explain that a couple of weeks ago I posted mainstream media articles reporting Australian medical specialists expressing their opinions that the lockdown cost lives, and was told I needed a tin foil hat.

It is especially egregious in the context of the unnecessary extent of the lockdown that we had in Victoria – some of which was implemented against the recommendations of the Police and the CHO, because our premier wanted to present himself as "tough on germs"

 

[footy4ever]

I read the article

The general consensus of the article is about how the messaging was delivered and how mistakes were made which led to a divide that broke trust between people and the medical and scientific community.

Basically admitting that by getting caught up trying to play politics and having such a hardline approach to vaccination has led to a distrust in the vaccine which resulted in more people dying.

Like I said, I actually did go and read the article.

Spot on.

 

[fortunatecrow]

Nope. That's the point, on this thread you label people as anti Vax or neo-nazi well before you understand what they are trying to say. I thought I'd give it a try.




You left out woke, leftie and Commie

I think they are alternatives "woke commie conspiracy theorist" or "neo-nazi cooker anti-vaxxer" but I don't think you can mix them?

That said, I thought lefties like being called "woke" because they give it a different meaning?

 

[spenze]

Calls for children to be removed from families in Alice Springs

Locals are desperately calling for children to be removed from families in Alice Springs as the crime crisis deepens.

www.skynews.com.au

Yeah that is never going to happen. Can't apologise for doing it previously, have a "Sorry Day " and then ramp it up again.

Funnily enough, one of my more "Woke" mates suggested that the kids should face traditional law. So being 12 and removed from your parents is no go territory but being 12 and taken out and speared as punishment is OK...because "Tradition"

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

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Like I said, my point wasn't to agree or disagree with the article...although as you summarise it, it seems to be a statement of the bleeding obvious.

My point was to act out the unthinking labelling that frequently occurs if someone suggests that maybe our covid response was not strictly necessary, or cost lives.

You don't think any more lives would have been lost without a covax program

Interesting...

 

[fortunatecrow]

You don't think any more lives would have been lost without a covax program

Interesting...

Not even remotely close to what the medical experts that I referred to, said, and not even remotely close to what I think either.

Take your strawman trolling elsewhere, this fish ain't biting

 

[fortunatecrow]

OK, I'm not a tennis fan, and the more people that snub the rotten Andrews government the better....but Victorian taxpayers money of $1b, and anther $140m as a loan?

Open warfare: Andrews government furious with Tennis Australia bigwigs​

By Noel Towell and Kishor Napier-Raman​

February 2, 2023 — 5.00am

"The Australian Open might be known as the “happy slam”, but a few people in Daniel Andrews’ government are extremely unhappy at the conduct of Tennis Australia bosses throughout the tournament. Government types, who point to the $1 billion of taxpayers’ money pumped into Melbourne Park since 2014 and a $140 million bailout loan from the government to salvage the 2021 competition, say they are seething over a number of alleged snubs by Tennis Australia chair Jayne Hrdlicka during official functions for the event."

 

[Vader]

OK, I'm not a tennis fan, and the more people that snub the rotten Andrews government the better....but Victorian taxpayers money of $1b, and anther $140m as a loan?

Open warfare: Andrews government furious with Tennis Australia bigwigs​

By Noel Towell and Kishor Napier-Raman​

February 2, 2023 — 5.00am

"The Australian Open might be known as the “happy slam”, but a few people in Daniel Andrews’ government are extremely unhappy at the conduct of Tennis Australia bosses throughout the tournament. Government types, who point to the $1 billion of taxpayers’ money pumped into Melbourne Park since 2014 and a $140 million bailout loan from the government to salvage the 2021 competition, say they are seething over a number of alleged snubs by Tennis Australia chair Jayne Hrdlicka during official functions for the event."

The Adelaide Oval redevelopment cost the SA Govt $500M+. It's not surprising if the Vic Govt spent a similar amount, when they did their big upgrade to Melbourne Park.

 

[kirky]

The sad thing is that many of these corporate economists are so removed from reality that they only see numbers and that's all.

I heard one of them (might have been from Citibank) claim the government went too soft on interest rates and said that the RBA need to go back to 50 basis point rises and there needs to be 3 or 4 in quick succession ie another 2% rise in rates.

I don't get it, the problem was never demand driven. Raising interest rates was never going to be the answer and now that it's become clear that raising them hasn't worked their big idea is to lift rates even more?

Are they joking?

Lifting interest rates has been about as useful as pulling the handbrake on a car when you're falling off a cliff.

It is just like “trickle down economics”, it has been shown to be flawed.

You don’t decrease taxes for the rich, they certainly don’t need it. You increase them - remove the 50% discount for capital gains for starters (and yes I own shares, if I make a profit I should get taxed at the full rate).

Increasing interest rates only hurts the average person in the street.

Economics in theory is great provided you can get into the minds of 25 million people.

 

[kirky]

With rates nearly tripling in the space of a year, landlords won't even feel guilty about raising rents. The state governments will need to introduce some sort of rent cap and I'm sure that will go down well.

Well we have allowed negative gearing and people owning multiple properties. Yes, allow negative gearing for 1/2 properties but after that, no tax deductibility.

What ever happened to government housing?

 

[kirky]

I think this is a good idea ....time to Australianise our money

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Now that will have the monarchists in a tizz.

Seriously, who gives a s**t upon than the monarchists. * ‘em I say.

Australia’s new $5 banknote will feature Indigenous history instead of King Charles

Government backs Reserve Bank decision to replace Queen Elizabeth II’s portrait with design ‘honouring culture and history of First Australians’

www.theguardian.com

And “neo-communists”. WTF!

 

[George Kramer]

All I know is Red Rock Sweet Chill chips at Foodland is $8.50, used to be in $5 range and get it on special for $3.50