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I'd suggest the edit was poor. He had a crack at Lee for not letting them chat
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I don't buy Kristie's version of her game at all
She said she got rid of Phoebe.
What i saw was Kristie saved by a needless twist, followed by Kate orchestrating Phoebe's demise
Kristie's role was being told of Phoebe's plan and flipping her vote to save her ass.
Kate could have just kept quiet of she wanted Kristie gone
I knew Kristy would win and come through in the final challenge. I didn't like the begging part (don't care why she did it) but she did really well in that challenge, which I thought was stupid btw. After the challenge she was spent mentally and physically and I think it will take her a while to regroup and come to terms in what she has achieved. She was fantastic at FTC and I could see her being in marketing as she was really pitching her story. Still hard to believe Lee only managed one vote, which was that of El's. I thought this morning when I went online to read the newspapers that there would be stories on the remaining three survivors but I am guess they will come. I might even tune into the Project tonight as no doubt Kristy (and not Christie) will be on. I hope she spends the $500K wisely.
Onto Lee you could see he really wanted to win and take El to the final but I guess in the end he caved in and gave Kristy her lifelong dream to be in the final two.
At final 5 Kristie had the biggest call in the game to make...stick with the couple - LEL - who she had been voting consistently, and successfully, with for the majority of the time at FiaFia or jump on board with Fli(p) who was 'playing too hard' and Matt who had been blindsided (by Fli(P) of all people) at previous tribals and was now battling.There are never any guarantees that late in the game, no matter who you take. As much as Lee kept banging on about loyalty and voting in the alliance, that all becomes null and void when you're down to the final 4.
Even if it's a Lee, Flick, Matt and Kristie final 4 there's no guarantee Lee targets Kristie. Lee mentioned he didn't trust Flick so my money's on him trying to eliminate her. Further, I imagine that both Matt and Flick would have rathered take Kristie than each other to FTC also.
The bolded isn't true. Kristie was never on the bottom post-merge. She was on the bottom when Vavau went down to 5, only to be saved by the Sue to Sanaapu twist. Kristie hardly 'convinced' Kate and Connor to vote off Phoebe, Phoebe was always a target when new Vavau was formed and she eventually got voted out after two previous unsuccessful attempts. Ask yourself, when was Kristie ever actually legitimately targeted to be voted out post-merge? Never. That's what 'having the numbers against you' is. She was on the outside yes (as in, not in a position of influence in the tribe) but that's not the same as being on the bottom. From memory, she got a few votes as an expendable person if the target pulled out an immunity idol (again showing her lack of control completely flying in the face of her "I made subtle moves" speech).
It's easy to say after the fact that she made the right call at F5, F4 and F3. I can't help but think of poker in this case. Kristie was holding a 2 & 7 and decided to go all in only for the flop to bring out a 2, 2, 7. Easy to say afterwards that she made the right call on the 2 & 7 but anybody that knows poker knows it was a ridiculous call to make (the same as backing yourself to win final immunity against two people combined for 5 individual wins versus two people combined for 0 individual wins) and she got lucky with how the cards fell. Luckily for her, Lee didn't know the rules of poker.
This was far from the perfect game (it's a somewhat boring season to watch but Redemption Island is probably what a perfect game from the winner looks like, the cast wasn't the best there though. I haven't seen every season also). Kristie's FTC was perfectly played given the circumstances and that's what rightfully has got her the win. Her overall game seemed pretty weak though.
I don't think Lee caved in so Kristie could win immunity and make it to the final 2, pretty sure he was trying his hardest to win to take El to the final 2 and he looked absolutely spent at the end of it.
Kristie begging with Lee to let her win was cringeworthy to watch, saying how he reminded her of her Dad (whoever said she had daddy issues was bang on)
It might have been a tactic from Kristie to wear Lee down by annoying him with her pathetic begging and maybe it worked but it was awful to watch.
I thought she made another blunder when she backed up her promise to take Lee to the final 2 as I thought she'd have a better chance of beating El however I think everyone underestimated how poor Lee would be at making his case at the FTC and how good Kristie would be.
I don't think we are arguing that she was guaranteed top 2 with Flick and Matt. Rather, the argument is that the probability of her going to the final two with either Flick or Matt was higher than the probability of going with El or Lee.
I don't buy Kristie's version of her game at all
She said she got rid of Phoebe.
What i saw was Kristie saved by a needless twist, followed by Kate orchestrating Phoebe's demise
Sticking with an alliance and having a 1/4 chance at a life changing moment was too great for me.The Smaller Warrior
I'd love to here what the pressure was like to actually play for $500K. I mean, the equation looked like this: stick with an alliance and have a small chance at winning $500K OR make a big statement, throw away that chance, become great television, a possible fan favourite and get voted out.
Are the consequences of potentially giving up a shot for $500K too great? Or would it have been worth it for the public's praise?
So the moment of being 'Sole Survivor' is the ultimate driver? The money is secondary?Sticking with an alliance and having a 1/4 chance at a life changing moment was too great for me.
Flick tried for both as an example, and that was much tougher.
At final 5 Kristie had the biggest call in the game to make...stick with the couple - LEL - who she had been voting consistently, and successfully, with for the majority of the time at FiaFia or jump on board with Fli(p) who was 'playing too hard' and Matt who had been blindsided (by Fli(P) of all people) at previous tribals and was now battling.
Somebody else said it that it is a mistake to try to look a couple of moves ahead, completely agree.
It was clearly in Mat and Fli(P)s best interest for her to side with them...but it wasn't in Kristie's.
Fli(p) should have stuck with Brooke, Sam and Matt and voted out El...then Kristie was no chance of winning.
So when sitting at F5 Kristie made the best decision for herself to survive the F4, remain tight with LEL. Choosing to get rid of El left her with no security or power at the F4, so it was an easy decision....and it worked as it was Fli(P) who went next.
Kristie benefitted from a powerful Sanapu alliance imploding and targeting each other, poor play from supposed 'strategists' and 'big movers'.
Her game was always ever only going to seem weak as they were the cards dealt, always on the outside looking in.
Couldn't disagree more ..Kristie fluked the win by being dumb as dog crap for the majority of the game...Lee manipulated her like a Puppet.How could you pick Phoebe when she was actually the only person that Kristie really blindsided?
Nick, meh another dud who should hv been one of the first out if not for Aus Survivor flipping tribal.
Kristie absolutely smashed it, she played her cards perfectly...she kept being dealt 2s and 3s and folded whilst people with picture cards went all in only for it to blow up in their faces.
If the sanapu alliance just picked them off one by one Kristie would never have got a look in...but the 'big moves' and 'great gameplay' by people like Brooke got them voted off when they were cruising...
the Sanapu tribe had all the advantage, even picked their own super tribe by bringing in Lee, and still couldn't get it done.
With 5 left people were uber critical of Kristie for not flipping to Flick n TSW, but what was in it for her...Kristie was the all important swing vote, she controlled the game then and she picked the best course for her!!
A great game and absolutely BOSSED FTC, a thoroughly deserving winner.
Lee is posting on /r/survivor?Really disappointing to see more bad stuff about TSW being put on reddit.
[AUS] PSA Matt is not a moral person.
Matt, tough question, were you The Smaller Warrior?
was there someone packing a quarter pounder?
Inb4 phantom13 unleashes the double whopper
#mixinfastfoodvernacular
Really disappointing to see more bad stuff about TSW being put on reddit.
[AUS] PSA Matt is not a moral person.
This is why we can't have nice thingsHey guys,
Can we maybe like, not create new threads on Reddit for things I say here to this "small" community.
Putting myself very much out there for you guys, and don't really need to promoted to the world and lawyers.
Indeed, but i agree with you that she didn't actually play the strategy we are analysing, she lucked it there and then retrospectively created a narrative to make it seem like she more or less intended it all along.Look i don't think she did know what she was doing most of the time but you're absolutely right, its a genuine tactic and it worked a treat here.
Youre also right, she played the right game for this season, but i don't want to see it become the norm, i fear for the longevity of the show if it does.
You are confusing smart with luckDisagree, Not many good players this season, Kristie was the smartest player, Everyone harped on about playing a moral game so the players who wanted to make moves were frowned upon, Not making big moves was the best move to make.