Changes for the showdown?

[PortBrillance]

IN: Chaplin, S.Burgoyne
OUT: Lower, Broadbent

 

[Platinum]

That's a bit harsh - the game in late 07' (which is the one you're referring to) was when Brogan went down in the warm up and Choco spent the 2nd half emptying our forward line.

I'm a bit worried choco will recall Peter and Carr and bring in Thomas and Shaun at the expense of Stewart, Lower, Broadbent and Salter and we will be transport back to the 05' Semi Final.

Harsh it may be - but essentially it is close to the truth. We could and should have ended their finals aspirations in that game. Remember that was the game Lade was 'run into the ground' -did he ever recover for the rest of the season?

Our victories over the AFC during the Craig era have been when we have relied more on grunt, accountability and doing the 1%ers than on playing 'fast and attractive' football.

 

[Portology]

Remember that was the game Lade was 'run into the ground' -did he ever recover for the rest of the season?

<shudder> that %^&* night. Lade @3/4 time looked utterly spent like about to drop dead on the spot. Grim, gutsy sight. 'Human endeavor on the playing field' was completely exhausted on that occasion.

Our victories over the AFC during the Craig era have been when we have relied more on grunt, accountability and doing the 1%ers than on playing 'fast and attractive' football.

Ya still got to score *and* do the 1%ers... keep the balance, reward form and take an intelligent risk.

Dropping Davenport right now would be an act of vandalism.

Keep Lower, Stewart and Salter in. Deserve the chance to play on a bigger than usual stage and make their case as Hartlett**, Thomas and Motlop come back into the frame over the next few weeks.

Chaplin in for Thurstans. Thurstans unlucky. Arguably the best performance this year for a player dropped the next week. Close call but team balance and Stewart's form and development wins out.

SB (or Thomas) in for Krakouer. Whoever is *genuinely* fit. I'd prefer SB, greater potential to cause chaos, confusion and marks inside 50s for us. The good point others made - SB freeing up Pearce or vice versa - can set us up for the rest of the season. SB to 'take the tag' off Pearce, play 2nd fiddle for a few games while running back into full match fitness.

**West have a bye this week, Hartlett to ease his hammy back into action via someone else's reserves this week - just as we did with Thomas's ankle or whatever it was. Decent precaution for a kid so far showing some signs of being injury prone.

 

[FishingRick04]

Chad or toby???!!!???!!!??? no offense but Im very glad ur not coach

You really think Chad has been influencing games? well for the better anyway?

Is your name KG, 1 couple of contested marks or a smother doesn't make him a hero again.

Chad is not influencing games as he did, maybe it's due to his 08 and 09 injuries, I don't know, don't really care. I don't have Chad coloured bifocals on like others do, I expect Chad to be a match winner maybe 6 games a year and a match influencer 20 games of the year, if he isn't doing that he isn't the Chad he was, because that's how he did perform.

I think my suggestion is better than the Chaplin for Lower idea.

A) if Toby was dropped it's very unlucky I agree,
B) if it was Chad I was site brain farts during the game and just to give him the rev up he needs, but after 27 possie's it's highly unlikely anyway.

To replace Chaplin with Lower is Stupid, it takes us back to the defence we played last year

Toby, Alipate, Surjan
Stewart, Chappy, P Burgers.
It's too tall by one.

Last week we played (Which isn't too bad)
Toby, Alipate, Surjan
Stewart, Chad, Lower

For the Crows people are suggesting
Toby, Alipate, Surjan
Stewart, Chappy, Chad

5 players over 190 cms plus, get off the grass, especially on a Sunday "duey" night.

So if Lower goes for Chappy, who from defense is going to move? Chad to the forwards? Giving us, Chad, Salter, Tredrea & Westhoff? hmmmm it's too many talls.

IMo Toby, Bob, Chad, Stewart Tredrea, Salter or Westhoff has to move out the way for Chappy to maintain team balance.

Now if you say the below, different story
Lower for Shaun,
Stewart for Thomas,
hartlett for Broadbent.

All positional swaps, where the coaches are basically saying the player coming in is going to play that position better than the player going out. I hope they don't do this IMO, but like you said hope I ain't coach and I am sure you won't read this far down!

 

[PAFC04]

Chad is always going to be hard to drop right now.

To drop Chad now before the showdown is a mistake, because he thrives on these games. It will most likely reignite his form.

If it was against any other side, I would drop him, but not this game.

Chad needs to play at CHB a lose player.

Chappy in, Toby out.

 

[malph]

^Probably the most likely to hope for, and expect at the same time.

 

[brogan2motlop]

5 players over 190 cms plus, get off the grass, especially on a Sunday "duey" night.

a couple of our talls can play small too..

but yeah toby is the odd out on that back six...

but in saying that

Stewart, Alipate, Surjan,

Chad,Chappy, Matt Thomas (if fit)............. (Salopek, Krakour)

^is our perfect back 6...and to me looks very healthy.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Harsh it may be - but essentially it is close to the truth. We could and should have ended their finals aspirations in that game. Remember that was the game Lade was 'run into the ground' -did he ever recover for the rest of the season?

Our victories over the AFC during the Craig era have been when we have relied more on grunt, accountability and doing the 1%ers than on playing 'fast and attractive' football.

I agree, especially about the accountability part. Makes me think back to when we played them a while ago & they got on top early, chocolate made the call to go man on man & we started coming back, can't remember if we ended up winning or losing by less than a goal.

They generally like to have at least one loose player patrolling their back line to mop up. A very interesting stat one of my mates mentioned to me today was that when ever we have scored more than 92 points against them we have always won.

 

[RangaInTeal]

imo.
experiance>raw youth in a showdown
meaning that i would think thurstans would stay
he has shown more than stewart to hold his position for this weeks game.

Berine Vince won a Showdown medal as a young vibrant individual!

 

[FishingRick04]

Berine Vince won a Showdown medal as a young vibrant individual!

Amazing what youth can provide!

 

[Schulzenfest]

if it was Chad I was site brain farts during the game and just to give him the rev up he needs

Playing the Crows also usually gives him a massive revup, and while he wasn't a matchwinner last week (it's hard to be a matchwinner from the backline) he definitely played more than well enough by far to deserve a spot this week

 

[FishingRick04]

Playing the Crows also usually gives him a massive revup, and while he wasn't a matchwinner last week (it's hard to be a matchwinner from the backline) he definitely played more than well enough by far to deserve a spot this week

I may have written poorly, work flat chat so I write alot hastily. What I have been trying to say Chad over the last 2 seasons has under performed, (could be injury induced) last week was a betetr game possession wise but yes it's enough to keep him in the side absolutely but before last weeks games 1 or 2 moments per game isn't enough to keep him in the side, he needs to do more and I beleive he himself has said he can struggle for motivation. As you and others have pointed out he should be up for this game, so would he or should he be dropped? Unlikely, hence Toby has to draw the short straw, UNLESS Chappy replaces a forward tall or Chappy misses out and has to wait, I would hope not but that would be a bad culture our club focuses on creating again. (eg Make players earn their spots) Which is why I didn't like the logic mentioned previous of Stewart out for Hartlett based on class. Stewart hasn't done anything wrong to warrant being dropped same as Broadbent, so I would be reluctant to force them out unless it was a super fit Shaun Burger who missed 1 week with suspension and not 16 with injury.

Just my two bobs and like another said, I am not the coach

 

[Forzaport]

Players not doing anything wrong is not a reason to not drop them, especially if there is a better player available.

How does chaplin coming back into the team set a bad culture? Players making way for better players is a fact of footy life.

 

[Mitch Power]

I may have written poorly, work flat chat so I write alot hastily. What I have been trying to say Chad over the last 2 seasons has under performed)

Rick, Chad has underperformed over the last 2 years because of Choco's determination to turn him into a ruck-rover (that's another name for midfielder for the young ones). Choco has unsettled Chad because of his reluctance and stubbornness to move him back to CHB or another key position. He may have not done much and was possibly late in a couple of attempts to spoil or outmark the WCE CHF but he will only get better as he re-adjusts to playing there. A defence with 3 talls in Bob, Chappy and Cornsey gives me great confidence.

 

[HugeJohnson]

What about Chaplin in for Westhoff to play forward or move Chad forward and Chaplin to the backline. I may be on my own here but Westhoff is offering little at the moment and needs to wait until Tredrea is gone to make a real impact.

 

[powermacs]

Chappy in for either Salts or Westhoff. Neither player has done anything wrong but Chappy or Chad would have a bigger influence up forward imo. Keep toby down back, he has probably been in our best few players for the last month.

 

[Powerade 08]

^^^^
Don't agree with that, Salter has an impact every time the ball comes near him at SANFL level and in the few AFL games he has played, he does damage on the scoreboard whenever he gets a chance and tackled well last week as well.

 

[FishingRick04]

Players not doing anything wrong is not a reason to not drop them, especially if there is a better player available.

How does chaplin coming back into the team set a bad culture? Players making way for better players is a fact of footy life.

Did I say Chappy coing back set a bad culture?

Out of any of the discussed players, he's the one deserving of returning.

Shaun after such a long lay off should come back through the two's as should Thomas. Peter B and J carr surely haven't done enough to get back in and Logan wasn't really storming the house down when got his virus.

Of course you are right about the better players, but the out going players if performing their job and the team continues to win has to be rewarded.

Alot of people here have been complaining about gold passes, IMO it all ties in togehter. Dropping a names player for 1 game, rush a named player back from inury, keeping underperforming stars in a side, all doesn't work well for team harmony IMO.

 

[Forzaport]

well, if you didn't mean chappy coming back was setting a bad culture, what on earth were you trying to say in that paragraph? Was chad holding his spot setting a bad culture?

I don't agree that shaun needs to spend time in the sanfl. If he can prove his fitness in training, that's enough. There's no need to test anything that wouldn't be testable in training. Same with hartlett, if he's ready he should be strongly considered for afl duty.

My issue with gold passes is when players who are in poor form stay in the 22. Like pettigrew who played a few more weeks than he should've. Players like shaun and hartlett who are fantastic players are walk in starts unless they're returning from a serious injury. That's just my opinion, i'm sure plenty will disagree with that.

 

[*PAF]

well, if you didn't mean chappy coming back was setting a bad culture, what on earth were you trying to say in that paragraph? Was chad holding his spot setting a bad culture?

I don't agree that shaun needs to spend time in the sanfl. If he can prove his fitness in training, that's enough. There's no need to test anything that wouldn't be testable in training. Same with hartlett, if he's ready he should be strongly considered for afl duty.

My issue with gold passes is when players who are in poor form stay in the 22. Like pettigrew who played a few more weeks than he should've. Players like shaun and hartlett who are fantastic players are walk in starts unless they're returning from a serious injury. That's just my opinion, i'm sure plenty will disagree with that.

Before Shaun got injured he was in very poor form, or was it just very lazy form.
We need players to play to 100% of their ability not to just above team average, whatever that might be.

 

[PowerKat]

Before Shaun got injured he was in very poor form, or was it just very lazy form.
We need players to play to 100% of their ability not to just above team average, whatever that might be.

He was restricted by hamstring tendonitis in the early rounds, so hasn't actually not been injured this year.

 

[*PAF]

He was restricted by hamstring tendonitis in the early rounds, so hasn't actually not been injured this year.

Then he should have been resting it or getting treatment. Either way he shouldn't have been in the team.

 

[PAFC04]

I don't agree that shaun needs to spend time in the sanfl. If he can prove his fitness in training, that's enough. There's no need to test anything that wouldn't be testable in training. Same with hartlett, if he's ready he should be strongly considered for afl duty.

I think that players who have been out of the AFL for long periods of time should be put back into the SANFL to fine tune their skills. I don't want to see a player fine tuning their skills in game that can possibly make or break the season.

Training drills are not AFL games, its a totally different pressure. Training drills are a relaxed pressure, you cant relax in game pressure.

In a close game, all it takes is one bad clanger. Its a big risk IMO.

Yes, Shaun is a superstar of the AFL, but he is also human.

 

[Forzaport]

Then he should have been resting it or getting treatment. Either way he shouldn't have been in the team.

He wasn't that bad at the start of the year. Sure his first game wasn't the best, but he managed 7 tackles in round 2 and was playing very well against melbourne until he got that knock to the knee.

As i recall if shaun was to be rested from his tendonitis, he probably wouldn't have played at all last year

 

[Forzaport]

hmmm, on second thoughts maybe choco will go nuts:

In:
Chaplin - back from suspension
P.Burgoyne - served the 1 week "drop" to the sanfl
S.Burgoyne - back from injury
Hartlett - back from injury
Carr - 200th game against the crows

Out:
Stewart - unlucky
Krakouer - been average
Broadbent - unlucky
Lower - unlucky
Thurstans - unlucky

Our changes for this week would be hard to predict for the crowbies which is at least one good thing in our favour.