Preview Changes/Preview round 22 v Carlton

[Bluelegs]

There's definitely a lose. Grundy kicks 2, we lose by 30 points and get rebounded out the wazoo and everyone thinks Grundy's good forward

Enjoying the return of miserable pessimistic TK.

 

[mrmonkey]

As much as I hate the media talking about it I highly doubt Goody did it to shut them up, you shouldn't be coaching if you're influenced by media agenda's.

Also, I think the media talk will quieten down if Grundy does nothing, the "so unfair" narrative won't have a leg to stand on, it will prove Goody right.

I was only joking about the media part just a jab at how they always ask about Grundy. I disagree with the second part I don't think the media quite down if he stinks it up, the 'was never going to work' brigade will be in full force.

 

[Topkent]

That sounds exactly the same as what could happen with TMac tbh.

For no reason at all I back Tmac to be a bit more dangerous 1-1 if he's fully fit.

Enjoying the return of miserable pessimistic TK.

It's hard to convince yourself to be optimistic when Grundy forward is akin to playing Tomlinson in the centre bounce midfield or Bailey Fritsch as back.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I'm kind of looking forward to it, intrigued. If it doesn't work no biggie, we will try something else against Hawthorn I'm sure. We've got 3 weeks to trial a couple of things and go with what works best, wouldn't surprise me if its 1 week of Grundy, (round 22) , 1 week of TMac (round 24) and 1 week with a shorter forward line/Schache/something else we aren't expecting (round 23)

 

[Topkent]

I'm kind of looking forward to it, intrigued. If it doesn't work no biggie, we will try something else against Hawthorn I'm sure. We've got 3 weeks to trial a couple of things and go with what works best, wouldn't surprise me if its 1 week of Grundy, (round 22) , 1 week of TMac (round 24) and 1 week with a shorter forward line/Schache/something else we aren't expecting (round 23)

I want second, I want a port qualifying final into a Brisbane Prelim which leaves a Pies GF on the cards

Worst case scenario is we lost a qualifying final and have no idea what our forward line will be for a semi.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

have no idea what our forward line will be for a semi.

So you want to settle on Grundy then? Make up your mind ffs.

 

[Meds]

There's definitely a lose. Grundy kicks 2, we lose by 30 points and get rebounded out the wazoo and everyone thinks Grundy's good forward

And Max goes back to Min cos he spends more time out of the ruck

 

[Topkent]

So you want to settle on Grundy then? Make up your mind ffs.

I want Petty

I dunno I think I'm leaning towards no one and making Petracca the man.

 

[booshboy]

I want Petty

I dunno I think I'm leaning towards no one and making Petracca the man.

it's this.

 

[Topkent]

it's this.

It is but it won't happen

 

[booshboy]

It is but it won't happen

I think do whatever to make sure Melk stays in when Fritsch gets back. I think only Trac or Smith make that possible.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

If there is any chance of a smaller forward line I reckon it will happen when Slick gets back.

 

[DemonZombie_001]

If there is any chance of a smaller forward line I reckon it will happen when Slick gets back.

I would like to see this. There does seem to be a shift from kick it as high as possible into a pocket of your choice to fast and flat in the team.

I think the Mobile forward line is the next generation and the fast and flat balls into the 50 service that. On top of that the rise of the defensive forward who removes the impact intercepting defenders have (you can't ignore players like Stewart and Moore for example) and can score a goal or two.

 

[schmuttt]

I’m bummed about the change but tbh they had no choice. Agree that TMac probably comes in after 1-2 VFL games unless it’s a one in a million chance grundys form up forward is good.

 

[TheBoss]

Grundy redemption game incoming!

Will join the 30 & 5 club!

 

[Tulip]

Grundy probably has the most 'upside' so to speak. In the sense that he's the best footballer out of all the options by a long way, and we may as well get a look at him forward before finals. Don't think he'll do much, but I'd take a stat line of 1 goal / 6 marks / took his man up the ground and away from JVR and Petracca.

TMac at his best plays a very similar role to Petty. But he can't burn his man, can't cover ground and is selfish to boot these days. Maybe things will be different if he plays in the finals and accepts that he's nothing more than a 20-30 role player.

 

[Topkent]

Grundy probably has the most 'upside' so to speak. In the sense that he's the best footballer out of all the options by a long way, and we may as well get a look at him forward before finals. Don't think he'll do much, but I'd take a stat line of 1 goal / 6 marks / took his man up the ground and away from JVR and Petracca.

Nah. Most upside is definitely
If he's fully fit and actually jumping at the footy he can at least kick goals. Grundy isn't a good set shot, no forward craft and has no tackle pressure. Atleast Brown has leading patterns and an accurate kick

 

[Tulip]

Nah. Most upside is definitely
If he's fully fit and actually jumping at the footy he can at least kick goals. Grundy isn't a good set shot, no forward craft and has no tackle pressure. Atleast Brown has leading patterns and an accurate kick

Brown and TMac have both had multiple great seasons as forwards. By upside, I mean he's still got a few good years left at this level. Obviously he'll play out of position, but we know where we are with the other two. My preference is Schache, but that's never happening. Grundy is also a reasonable set shot, unreliable but he kicks 3 in 5.

 

[Topkent]

Brown and TMac have both had multiple great seasons as forwards. By upside, I mean he's still got a few good years left at this level. Obviously he'll play out of position, but we know where we are with the other two. My preference is Schache, but that's never happening. Grundy is also a reasonable set shot, unreliable but he kicks 3 in 5.

I'd say in the way you're using upside as he's the shittest an upside is anything better than disgusting.

70.59 for his career so about 50% when you consider shots on the full don't count

 

[Tulip]

I'd say in the way you're using upside as he's the shittest an upside is anything better than disgusting.

70.59 for his career so about 50% when you consider shots on the full don't count

You know I love a battle of the minds with you, but can't you see the situation is disgusting? We find the mix at last and the bloke does his lisfranc and is out for a year. Its a f*n disaster, and only fixable because the rest of the team is hitting form. Brown and McDonald are finished, their bodies are shot, short of one last run at glory if they can get it together. Grundy is definitely the 'least shit' option if Schache isn't playing, because Grundy is fit and still a good footballer. The key is to not sacrifice any of Gawn's time around the ground. This has to be the equivalent of playing a tall out of position and leaving him there, not sharing the ruck load any more than JVR goes in usually.

He's 10.4 this year, with few egregious misses.

 

[Topkent]

You know I love a battle of the minds with you, but can't you see the situation is disgusting? We find the mix at last and the bloke does his lisfranc and is out for a year. Its a f*n disaster, and only fixable because the rest of the team is hitting form. Brown and McDonald are finished, their bodies are shot, short of one last run at glory if they can get it together. Grundy is definitely the 'least s**t' option if Schache isn't playing, because Grundy is fit and still a good footballer. The key is to not sacrifice any of Gawn's time around the ground. This has to be the equivalent of playing a tall out of position and leaving him there, not sharing the ruck load any more than JVR goes in usually.

He's 10.4 this year, with few egregious misses.

The situation is disgusting, to the point I don't see why we are shoehorning one in. I'd rather play an extra small or midfielder than playing a bloke just because he's taller then 6'3

 

[Tulip]

The situation is disgusting, to the point I don't see why we are shoehorning one in. I'd rather play an extra small or midfielder than playing a bloke just because he's taller then 6'3

For two reasons, IMO.

1). JVR can't ruck if there's no alternative tall forward
2). JVR will be isolated by top 8 defences from an aerial POV, and we need someone in there to create a contest

 

[Topkent]

For two reasons, IMO.

1). JVR can't ruck if there's no alternative tall forward
2). JVR will be isolated by top 8 defences from an aerial POV, and we need someone in there to create a contest

Not if Petracca and Melksham don't stand next to him and we aren't stupid with where we kick. Remember when Richmond shoved Vickery into a key forward role because you need a second tall and then they dropped him for Caddy and won the flag?

It's dumb

 

[schmuttt]

Haven’t been this nervous about a H&A game for years.

 

[Scythe]

Haven’t been this nervous about a H&A game for years.

Whereas I'm more confident about this than I am the Sydney game in R24.

Carlton's revival has come from smashing teams around the ball. With Walsh and Cerra out, it's Cripps, Dow, Hewett and Docherty up against Oliver, Viney, Petracca and Sparrow. No huge worries there IMO – if May plays well on Curnow, I don't see how they beat us.