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[Golumless]

Out: Walker Lynch Atkins Murphy Kelly Keays McHenry
In: Mcadam Schoenberg Davis Hartigan Gallucci Mcpherson/Sholl Worrell/Gollant/Himmelberg

Brown Talia Doedee
Laird Hartigan Hamill
Sloane Smith Seedsman
Davis Fogarty McAdam
Gallucci McAsey Crocker/Stengle(when available)

ROB BCrouch Jones

MCrouch Schoenberg Sholl/McPherson Worrell/Gollant/Himmelberg

Strongly believe this is our best team moving forward for our future. We will get smashed at times but no worse than the current rabble. McHenry may come back in at some point but needs to do better. Butts may replace Hartigan at some point this year. Not sold on Crocker, As soon as Stengle is available he replaces Crocker. If Fogarty doesnt improve his output we may need to look at Himmelberg on the bench to help out.

This, I heavily disagree with.

The time to put faith in a kid is when they've had a bad game. Gives a bit of belief the coach/side truly believes you are capable. If he's struggling in 3-4 weeks, reassess. Not now.

 

[1970crow]

Exactly he comes across too nice for a start. He appears have a negative mindset in his game plan but he needs to concentrate on all players enjoying their footy again. When the enjoyment back the intensity and intent will come back in some way.

**** enjoying their footy. Apparently they did that all last year. What needs to happen is that senior players, with games and experience under the belt, need to play like their careers are on the line every week. Kids need to know that they've got a few games up their sleeve to find their feet. Historically, we've done this in reverse and are at this depth because of it. Nicks need to reverse this ASAP. Fair enough he gave them a chance last week, but he's got to make some calls this week.

 

[Golumless]

Exactly he comes across too nice for a start. He appears have a negative mindset in his game plan but he needs to concentrate on all players enjoying their footy again. When the enjoyment back the intensity and intent will come back in some way.

It's like we are all so quick to forget 2019... Its what we focused on all preseason, trying to bring the enjoyment back. The result was a mutiny in the middle of the season.

It is a great idea if you've got a team who have become bogged down with structures, and discipline to the point it is negatively impacting their game. Or if they went deep in finals and fell apart in the last hurdle or two, just because it indicates faith in the playing group. It will fail miserably if the players are so broken that they can't even get the basics right and are only playing for themselves.

You will not get these senior players back. As a group, they're finished and most of them are just out for self-survival because that is the culture we fostered in the last 2 years with Pyke/Burton/Camp/Roo/Chapman etc. There might be a couple we salvage, but the focus has to be just getting the basics down pact again, focusing on building a team culture under Nicks which rewards selfless, accountable football, and replacing who is now incapable of meeting those standards because the last few years have profoundly impacted who they are (anyone can be destroyed by a toxic environment, and we've been utterly toxic).

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I read on another site we lost the scratch match by 100 points. Nicks saying Gibbs is in the picture doesn't fill me with confidence.

 

[Golumless]

I read on another site we lost the scratch match by 100 points. Nicks saying Gibbs is in the picture doesn't fill me with confidence.

Look I don't mind the coach saying anyone is in the picture, because whilst they're on our list, they're in the picture. They need to be going at 100% with belief and not just through the motions at training waiting for the axe.

Still, it's a good test for Nicks to see how much he believes in the rebuild. He passed it last week by not bringing back Gibbs.

 

[hey shorty]

It's like we are all so quick to forget 2019... Its what we focused on all preseason, trying to bring the enjoyment back. The result was a mutiny in the middle of the season.

It is a great idea if you've got a team who have become bogged down with structures, and discipline to the point it is negatively impacting their game. Or if they went deep in finals and fell apart in the last hurdle or two, just because it indicates faith in the playing group. It will fail miserably if the players are so broken that they can't even get the basics right and are only playing for themselves.

You will not get these senior players back. As a group, they're finished and most of them are just out for self-survival because that is the culture we fostered in the last 2 years with Pyke/Burton/Camp/Roo/Chapman etc. There might be a couple we salvage, but the focus has to be just getting the basics down pact again, focusing on building a team culture under Nicks which rewards selfless, accountable football, and replacing who is now incapable of meeting those standards because the last few years have profoundly impacted who they are (anyone can be destroyed by a toxic environment, and we've been utterly toxic).

It's a bit different though, a NEW coach can bring the enjoyment back.

The guys who tried, were still there from the failed year before

 

[Mutineer]

bicks said ROB had more hit outs to advantage. Doesn’t account for clean grabs and kick forward, but straight hit out stats are as meaningless a stat as the kicking efficiency of defenders at our club. Not that I thought ROB won the battle, I was surprised to hear this. Just shows how sh*t out mids are going if they can’t win their share of hit outs to contest.

Anyone that watched that match that thought Jarrod Witts wasn't the dominant big man on the ground is ****ing blind, SpecSavers won't help them but a guide dog might!

I reckon 3 or 4 times Witts outbodied ROB and just took the ball out of the Ruck contest...He got pantsed and I've been a fan of ROB's more generally.

Pretty obvious both coaches had Jarrod Witts 2nd best on ground.

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8 Jarrod Witts (GCFC)
3 Lachie Weller (GCFC)
3 Benjamin King (GCFC)
3 Hugh Greenwood (GCFC)
3 Touk Miller (GCFC)

 

[Golumless]

It's a bit different though, a NEW coach can bring the enjoyment back.

The guys who tried, were still there from the failed year before

Yes. It's possible. That said, to expect it with this group really ignores its history. A competitive group that breaks to the point they drop tools and routinely forfeit matches after half time is not exactly a normal situation for a coach. Once a group breaks like that, they're not going to come back, no matter who is the coach because all of the malaise that has occurred has become ingrained into their collective psyche.

When you're talking about bringing enjoyment back. You're talking about a team who has become stale. We wish our team became stale. A lot of the guys who tried were the ones who were left out in the cold last year and are the ones who know they have a golden opportunity to stake a long term claim.

 

[Murray2503]

This, I heavily disagree with.

The time to put faith in a kid is when they've had a bad game. Gives a bit of belief the coach/side truly believes you are capable. If he's struggling in 3-4 weeks, reassess. Not now.

I'm hoping Ned comes good but at this point I'm not liking that pick at all. Just doesnt have a standout feature and seems quite vanilla. I'm hoping he turns out to be a Douglas type but we need stars with our picks not douglas and vb's.

 

[Crows I Am]

Makes all those extra picks look a bit silly if they keep playing like this all season. Didn't they have a good start last year and fade away after a few rounds?

They also have extra draft picks this year and next year as part of thier package from the AFL... will look very silly if they keep moving up the ladder. But yes you are right they did fall away badly last year after a good start so that may happen again with a young inexperienced side.

 

[Murray2503]

I read on another site we lost the scratch match by 100 points. Nicks saying Gibbs is in the picture doesn't fill me with confidence.

Gibbs not the answer. Clutching at old cooked straws worries me if Nicks goes down that path. Will mean he is going down the Pyke path to protect blowouts while slowly not developing a team and in the process getting himself sacked. Maybe Nicks may already be resigned to the fact he wont last. The senior players not trying is a bad sign for a new coach. Maybe the seconr players wanted an experienced coach and they are unconsciously taking it out on Nicks. Someone needs to sit him down and reassure the guy that he must play future. Forget results. If he is the right guy to coach the team he will get the team back putting in a competitive effort as quick as possible. He needs experience around him in the box. Hope for his sake that comes end of the year

 

[Golumless]

I'm hoping Ned comes good but at this point I'm not liking that pick at all. Just doesnt have a standout feature and seems quite vanilla. I'm hoping he turns out to be a Douglas type but we need stars with our picks not douglas and vb's.

Eh, give it time, though it is genuinely hard to stand out as a small forward in this side. I'm curious to see how he goes as a midfielder, despite having a dirty time against Gold Coast there, seeing there was a genuine energy there that we've lacked for a long while. That in itself might end up being the niche he makes a career out of.

At this point, we need both. We don't have stars or foot soldiers who allow them to excel. If Ned caps out as a midfielder who does all of the tough stuff but ends up as a Robin to a Batman, I can live with that.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Out: Walker Lynch Atkins Murphy Kelly Keays McHenry
In: Mcadam Schoenberg Davis Hartigan Gallucci Mcpherson/Sholl Worrell/Gollant/Himmelberg

Brown Talia Doedee
Laird Hartigan Hamill
Sloane Smith Seedsman
Davis Fogarty McAdam
Gallucci McAsey Crocker/Stengle(when available)

ROB BCrouch Jones

MCrouch Schoenberg Sholl/McPherson Worrell/Gollant/Himmelberg

Strongly believe this is our best team moving forward for our future. We will get smashed at times but no worse than the current rabble. McHenry may come back in at some point but needs to do better. Butts may replace Hartigan at some point this year. Not sold on Crocker, As soon as Stengle is available he replaces Crocker. If Fogarty doesnt improve his output we may need to look at Himmelberg on the bench to help out.

Not happy with Kelly's attitude compared to other experienced players...

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I'm hoping Ned comes good but at this point I'm not liking that pick at all. Just doesnt have a standout feature and seems quite vanilla. I'm hoping he turns out to be a Douglas type but we need stars with our picks not douglas and vb's.

Blighty was quoting last night that Ned ran 13km on Sunday for 2 hand passes. He also looked at his U18 stats and Ned had an average possession count of 18 in that age group. I think he questioned if that was adequate for a first round pick. Was Ned one of Hamish's speculative picks?

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[Kane McGoodwin]

I'm hoping Ned comes good but at this point I'm not liking that pick at all. Just doesnt have a standout feature and seems quite vanilla. I'm hoping he turns out to be a Douglas type but we need stars with our picks not douglas and vb's.

It's madness to give kids 1 game to come good, whilst our senior players continue to stink it up like they did most of last season.

Younger players need to be given a block of games minimum.

 

[Murray2503]

Blighty was quoting last night that Ned ran 13km on Sunday for 2 hand passes. He also looked at his U18 stats and Ned had an average possession count of 18 in that age group. I think he questioned if that was adequate for a first round pick. Was Ned one of Hamish's speculative picks?

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Hamish may not be the star he is proclaimed to be.

 

[Murray2503]

They also have extra draft picks this year and next year as part of thier package from the AFL... will look very silly if they keep moving up the ladder. But yes you are right they did fall away badly last year after a good start so that may happen again with a young inexperienced side.

Covid will help them this year to sustain it and they can make finals. Throw Rankine in that team and they can win a flag within 3 years. The worry for them is other clubs are going to be like vultures on a carcass. If they have success players will likely stay.

 

[BunjiMac]

The only way we get out of this slump is to hand the keys to the kids and say, you are our future, we put our faith in you. We are not worried about the result, just go out and play with flair, confidence and start building a strong understanding of each others games.

This is about them, not the senior players who look like they'd all prefer not to be there.

 

[Mutineer]

Blighty was quoting last night that Ned ran 13km on Sunday for 2 hand passes. He also looked at his U18 stats and Ned had an average possession count of 18 in that age group. I think he questioned if that was adequate for a first round pick. Was Ned one of Hamish's speculative picks?

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For starters NAB League games are 25 minute quarters no time on...And he played a mix of forward and on ball in a very poor Geelong Falcons team with really only 3 decent talents Sam Walsh, Ned McHenry and underager Cooper Stephens. Ned was always expected to go late 1st round/early 2nd so no it wasn't a speculative pick at all. Geezus people on here are quick to condemn.

 

[Golumless]

Blighty was quoting last night that Ned ran 13km on Sunday for 2 hand passes. He also looked at his U18 stats and Ned had an average possession count of 18 in that age group. I think he questioned if that was adequate for a first round pick. Was Ned one of Hamish's speculative picks?

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Nope. Was expected to go back end of the 1st round, and did just that.

The list of Hamish speculative picks are (in the first three rounds at least, and this probably harms Hamish as Charlie Cameron was a speculative rookie pick): Tom Doedee, and Lachlan Gollant.

The rest has always been around the mark they were expected to go.

 

[hey shorty]

I'm hoping Ned comes good but at this point I'm not liking that pick at all. Just doesnt have a standout feature and seems quite vanilla. I'm hoping he turns out to be a Douglas type but we need stars with our picks not douglas and vb's.

He's anything but vanilla, and if he turns out to have a career like Dougys it'll be a lot better than most drafted around him.

 

[SaltPeter]

Hamish may not be the star he is proclaimed to be.

You should have a read of this

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Jake Kelly is hurting as the winless Crows try to figure out ways to reverse their fortunes

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[I Lost My Keays]

We will struggle to kick 2 goals

 

[MRB37]

I think we shouldn't take anything away from Jared Witts as well. He's quietly become one of the toughest ruck battles in the comp in the last year or so.

I don't have any stats to back that up, but just through the eye test I don't remember him losing too many of ruck duels he's been in since he became a Sun.

There's a reason the Suns gave him a 5 year deal. We had a 4 year deal sitting in front of him.

 

[Golumless]

Not happy with Kelly's attitude compared to other experienced players...

I have to admit, I reckon Kelly might just have a place in our rebuild. He does exemplify the attitude we want to promote.

Sure, he's probably not good enough to be around as anything more than depth when we're back at the top end, but he's a damn selfless player. Would probably give him the small defender role in place of Brown next week.