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Opinion Changes v Essendon ins Neale, Shane, Collins, Rixx, Griff, DP
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Why the **** are we bringing Neale back in? Surely logic dictates we'd be better off putting him on ice/under the knife to get him right for pre-season. Already had zero pre-season this year, can't afford to miss another one.
Brought back purely to try and save some face, poor man management for mine. What's new though.
Don't even start me on Griffin. Nads robbed. Why wouldn't we take a look at him in a meaningless run around?
Brought back purely to try and save some face, poor man management for mine. What's new though.
Don't even start me on Griffin. Nads robbed. Why wouldn't we take a look at him in a meaningless run around?
Still don't get my buddy's dropping. Give MJ a rest, Neale even. Ross and Freo often play their young players that don't get a chance usually on the last week of every season.
Yet he's bringing in the old soldiers? Trying to avoid another 60+ point thrashing obviously. Josh would've had a lot of energy for this game, as he wants that contract. Very disappointing.
Yet he's bringing in the old soldiers? Trying to avoid another 60+ point thrashing obviously. Josh would've had a lot of energy for this game, as he wants that contract. Very disappointing.
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Don't know why people moan so vociferously about team selections on here.
Particularly those who continue to maintain the fiction that the 22 is all about Lyon's favourites.
It's a professional organisation,selection committee environment where players receive continuous feedback.
Whether they agree with it or not the players know precisely what the club's position and expectations are.
If they're learners they'll understand the feedback and progress.
Plenty of examples where the player has initially disagreed only to see the wisdom later.
The only realistic possibility is that the club and Lachie have decided it's best if he plays.That doesn't come with a guarantee but as Taylor says 'Players play'.
Maybe it's simply 'supporters:short term';club 'longer view'?
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I agree, Collins isn't anything special, but the fact of the matter is he should've played more games in a rebuild, see if he has a future and reward his wafl form. At worse we could have increase his trade value. Fact MJ played 20+ games and Collins only playing his second is beyond stupidity, no way did Johnson, who at times this year has played some average footy, no way should he of played over 20 games.
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Are you suggesting someone's held a gun to his head or that you know more about it than the player or the club?
Deluca is bit unlucky and was better than Nyhuis and Logue but wasn't great last week either. The club really need to have another look at Collins and Sheridan and have probably seen enough of the likes of Deluca and Nyhuis.
As an impartial judge it is touch and go for Deluca - could go either way of delisting, remain on Rookie list or upgrade. I'm also torn on Nyhuis as to whether to upgrade or delist and re-rookie but I want him to stay on the list.
The club needs to be ruthless and this might make a few unhappy.
As an impartial judge it is touch and go for Deluca - could go either way of delisting, remain on Rookie list or upgrade. I'm also torn on Nyhuis as to whether to upgrade or delist and re-rookie but I want him to stay on the list.
The club needs to be ruthless and this might make a few unhappy.
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Hopefully those youngster who get cut get another chance at another club (state or AFL). I rather they become Menegola than Josh Simpson .
Sorry but Sheridan has had enough looks. He should get delisted. Hardly bulked up, gets pushed off the ball easily and gives half as attitude. Better off focusing on his sunglasses brand. Not gonna to make it. Don't get what posters want from him. He doesn't belong.
Yeah they're totally infallible and never make poor decisions
Just ask the overworked Bennell and unnecessarily risked Blakely
SHill, Langdon and Sandilands say hi also.
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I'm not suggesting they are infallible.
Whether any of the decisions would have been different if other people were in those positions is one question that can't be answered and a results based group think decision after the fact doesn't really achieve anything.
Collingwood medical staff get the public blame for Daisy Thomas' ankle being poor prior to his move to Carlton if there isn't news of him ignoring the advice of his medical team and not resting it over his break.
Ryan Crowley claims to have had procedures on his back behind the knowledge of the club which isn't the only time AFL players have hidden things from their medical team, they do it all the time and unfortunately there isn't a universal scan to find problems they don't raise.
That's a cultural problem throughout the entire competition. The clubs fire players who can't play because they are injured. Sometimes those injuries are another player's niggles that aren't raised.
All of our players are carrying something at the moment. AFL football cripples athletes by the end of their career, very few can run long distances for iron man or marathons post career. Pretending that the players don't live in a culture where they are encouraged to return to the field, celebrated for it even, when injured would be naive.
If we only named players who were completely healthy we wouldn't have a team.
So are our medical staff perfect? No.
Could someone else have done a better job? Can't answer that.
I do think it is reasonable to judge by results but I'm not so silly so as to think our staff know every niggle and that our players aren't always pushing to play.
Brilliant response, not at all idiotic. Are you that stupid that you actually think playing Neale is in any way a good idea? The whole football world would be face palming right now, everyone except the proven average medical team, Ross and off course Taylor.
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Yeah agree with all of this.
I think people generally vastly underestimate the amount of uncertainty that exists around what can be very ill-defined injuries you often can't see via any method, and in people who's genetics and structure may differ significantly. Sports and exercise medicine is an area that, even more so than many others, there is often a lack of evidence for, or at least the very least uncertainty as to best treatment. Without knowing exactly what has been said by whom and to who, it's nearly impossible to judge. Never mind we have to whack our players in economy twice a fortnight, and seem to be happy pursuing a strategy that involves recruiting players with pre-existing injuries.
I think perhaps we have take some risks recently and I perhaps would rest Neale, but often you can get advice to the tune that it's not really going to get worse even if it does go. Again, it is hard to say.
Has he just come back from injury?
Is this game important to us?
Has he been playing through pain this year?
Is he too valuable to risk over a nothing game?
Does Neale playing achieve anything?
Do our players have a poor record of recurring injuries in there first game back?
Do you honestly believe there is a benefit of Neale playing on Sunday?
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Believe it or not, I don't hav his medical results on my phone.
I'm basing them on commonsense (bet you took that as an insult). Feel free to answer my above questions though.
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Didn't wanna answer my questions, I'm shocked.
So resting Neale isn't commonsense? Hmmm, I'd say 99.9% of people would say it is, so much so even th blokes on 6pr agree and that's saying something.
I'm guessing our medical team isn't that good? Guessing we have a large amount of recurring injuries from rushing players back? Debatable.
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Give it a month or two and he will have had multiple postseason surgeries, again
100% they will go back into that shoulder, won't get a reco like Grey and Blakely but there's a difference between it being 90% and ready to start pre season and the extra fortnight or so of rest
