Changes v Port Power est 1997

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Depressing

 

[Elite Crow]

I can't actually recall the AFC being straight about any injury. That's how we've always done it. They weren't trying to cover their arses then.

The club's MO hasn't changed, why would its motive have changed?

Really? You can’t recall the club stating players having hammys before? Ever heard the term “awareness” until recently?

Why has the club denied there has been a problem when there clearly is? That should be a straight forward one for you to answer.

 

[Hodgy]

Why? You don’t think people and organisations do this all the time?

What did we do with the Tippett deal?

So you haven’t answered what their motive is to not tell the truth about our recent injuries. Why so hesitant to say the injuries are hammys?

Yep and those moon landings were obviously faked and the world trade centre was actually bombed by the CIA. Christ mate why do you bother supporting a club if your only happy when criticising them.

Oh and btw I don't want to rain on your parade but not only do we not have the longest injury list but clubs have lied about players injuries for 100 years to protect them when they come back. In fact Collingwood with Josh Smiths hammy and GC with Kolodjashnij!s concussion are examples right now.

 

[Elite Crow]

The club is spinning so much shit at the moment when it comes to these injuries that I am struggling to believe how anyone doesn't believe that the club is trying to save face/embarrassment by trying to cover them up.

Much like Walker's apparently clear MRI where the club said "no hamstring damage", yet he missed last week and my mail is that he's still very much touch and go for Saturday night.

I never realised that not actually having any injury could be so debilitating.

Some have obviously bought it.

 

[Elite Crow]

Yep and those moon landings were obviously faked and the world trade centre was actually bombed by the CIA. Christ mate why do you bother supporting a club if your only happy when criticising them.

Oh and btw I don't want to rain on your parade but not only do we not have the longest injury list but clubs have lied about players injuries for 100 years to protect them when they come back. In fact Collingwood with Josh Smiths hammy and GC with Kolodjashnij!s concussion are examples right now.

I’ll address your post in parts.

First offering ridiculous comparisons just makes your post, well ridiculous.

Only happy when I’m criticising the club? That old chestnut, “you’re not a supporter if you criticise the club”. I must be a right loony to have been a member since day 1 and been to all 3 Grand Finals. Which Grand Finals do you think I was happiest at?

We’ve had the most games missed this year due to injuries, so check your facts.

So we are lying about our hamstring injuries so the opposition don’t hurt our players hamstrings? How? By calling them names? By hitting them with rubber bands or by hand balling the ball into their hamstrings?

As I said your post was ridiculous.

 

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We used the least number of players in the comp last year in making the GF. I wouldn't use that as an argument against Burton.

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We're currently sitting 4th on the table of the least amount of players used in 2018 so the amount of players used stat is completely meaningless and has more to do with Pyke being overly conservative with bringing in new players than it is reflective of our injuries.

We can't ignore the fact that we had 8 hammy injuries last year and now have 9 so far this year. Our fitness staff have either not bothered to correct anything after last year or what they've tried has made it worse.

 

[Kezza86]

Crows treatment of injuries are of a concern. Information I’ve received on the grapevine crows have missed diagnosed Brad crouch’s injury hence why he is out for soo long!

 

[GreyCrow]

For those who are quite happy for the club to remain quiet and the less we say the better ( and there is nothing wrong with this POV) are you upset when the club does release information?

 

[Elite Crow]

For those who are quite happy for the club to remain quiet and the less we say the better ( and there is nothing wrong with this POV) are you upset when the club does release information?

Now that’s a good one.

Mary Poppins brigade, anyone care to have crack at answering?

 

[Elite Crow]

Crows treatment of injuries are of a concern. Information I’ve received on the grapevine crows have missed diagnosed Brad crouch’s injury hence why he is out for soo long!

Is he ever coming back!

 

[Shaz2012]

Crows treatment of injuries are of a concern. Information I’ve received on the grapevine crows have missed diagnosed Brad crouch’s injury hence why he is out for soo long!

Are you saying its not OP? Or that it took a long time to determine it was OP. To be fair to the club, I would assume they would be referring these diagnoses to outside specialists. Not much they can do once its in their hands.

 

[footy4ever]

Really? You can’t recall the club stating players having hammys before? Ever heard the term “awareness” until recently?

Why has the club denied there has been a problem when there clearly is? That should be a straight forward one for you to answer.

The club has admitted there was a problem. It’s said they’ve changed aspects of the program because of it.

 

[Kezza86]

Are you saying its not OP? Or that it took a long time to determine it was OP. To be fair to the club, I would assume they would be referring these diagnoses to outside specialists. Not much they can do once its in their hands.

More like they were jabbing him for another injury not realising it’s OP. He is receiving treatment from a world known specialist

 

[footy4ever]

Crows treatment of injuries are of a concern. Information I’ve received on the grapevine crows have missed diagnosed Brad crouch’s injury hence why he is out for soo long!

The Crows? The Crows have misdiagnosed Brad Crouch’s injuries? You don’t think it might have been the best Doctors and North Tce specialists that money can buy that might have misdiagnosed it. You know... the actual people who diagnose these things? FMD it’s ****ing contagious.

 

[Elite Crow]

The club has admitted there was a problem. It’s said they’ve changed aspects of the program because of it.

After how many denials?

 

[Jack is Back]

You’re not angry that a qtr of the list have been injured due to the incompetence of the staff and they are trying to hide it?

I believe that there appears to be an issue regarding the hamstring injuries. Nevertheless, it is a bit over the top to say “a qtr of the list have been injured due to the incompetence of the staff”.

Over the last ten years an average of 8-9 players from a list of 44 are unavailable every week due to illness or injury (refer to the AFL annual injury report). This week the AFL average is just over 8 players per club.

Last week we had 10 players (including Riley Knight) who were not available for either the AFL or SANFL. This week it is between 10 and 12, since we can’t say with certainty whether players listed as a test in the SANFL would have played this week.

There is no doubt that our injury list is currently higher than the AFL average but last year it was below average. The real problem this year is that many of our missing players have been in our top ten players. There was little concern on this Board last year (except from me and a couple of others) that Ben Davis missed most of the season. This year it is Smith, Sloane, Crouch X 2, Walker, Betts and Lynch.

My point is that you can’t blame the staff for every injury i.e. “a quarter of our list have been injured due to the incompetence of the staff”, more accurate to say we have had about 4 players unavailable each week above the AFL average and part of these could be due to the staff (or maybe it is just bad luck).

 

[hey shorty]

After how many denials?

Whilst I agree with you, quite a few guys who have gotten injured this year are perennially so.

It was when Eddie got hurt that I changed my tune. On Sloane, he will struggle to be fit for the year. Very few players get over foot injuries

 

[footy4ever]

Now that’s a good one.

Mary Poppins brigade, anyone care to have crack at answering?

Ha ha Mary Poppins brigade. Gud won. I don’t give a rats arse if the club thinks it’s ok to release or contain whatever information. It’s allowed to treat its information in the way it thinks is best for the club. Some people go all cloak and dagger with absurd conspiracy theories, others have things in perspective.

 

[Shaz2012]

The club has admitted there was a problem. It’s said they’ve changed aspects of the program because of it.

I happen to agree with you in that I could give a rats arse if they tell us the truth or not. I also dont think their motivation for hiding things and telling porkies is about saving their own arses, but more a public relations decision. It is not the same thing. The intention/purpose of the misleading information has football reasons behind it, because any type of distraction can impact players and then performances. I dont want them making statements that are going to lead the 24 hour footy news cycle. Dumb it down as much as possible.

HOWEVER, I am absolutely fuming at the situation that they have got us in with these hamstrings. We are on track for 25 in a season. I agree with the posters who say that Haas is under qualified, it certainly seems that way from his CV and that his only experience really was at a Brisbane side with a less than stellar performance while he was there. I am sure that its not just Haas who is responsible here though, and it seems likely that the responsibility extends to Burton and perhaps others. I am interested to know whether you feel that the people who have put us in this position need to go at the end of the year?

For mine, this is incompetence and in a high performance environment heads roll. Whether that is the coach, the assistant coaches, or the high performance team. Mistakes may have been made with good intentions behind them, but thats the nature of a high performance industry. They tried to take too close to the line and overshot by a long way. If this worked for them they would have got the rewards and clubs would be lining up to bring them over. But they failed. No other club would want them. We have to seriously ask the question, why would we want to keep them?

 

[Elite Crow]

I believe that there appears to be an issue regarding the hamstring injuries. Nevertheless, it is a bit over the top to say “a qtr of the list have been injured due to the incompetence of the staff”.

Over the last ten years an average of 8-9 players from a list of 44 are unavailable every week due to illness or injury (refer to the AFL annual injury report). This week the AFL average is just over 8 players per club.

Last week we had 10 players (including Riley Knight) who were not available for either the AFL or SANFL. This week it is between 10 and 12, since we can’t say with certainty whether players listed as a test in the SANFL would have played this week.

There is no doubt that our injury list is currently higher than the AFL average but last year it was below average. The real problem this year is that many of our missing players have been in our top ten players. There was little concern on this Board last year (except from me and a couple of others) that Ben Davis missed most of the season. This year it is Smith, Sloane, Crouch X 2, Walker, Betts and Lynch.

My point is that you can’t blame the staff for every injury i.e. “a quarter of our list have been injured due to the incompetence of the staff”, more accurate to say we have had about 4 players unavailable each week above the AFL average and part of these could be due to the staff (or maybe it is just bad luck).

Ok, not every injury but obviously they’ve contributed a lot.

Whose decision was it to play Sloane injured and what impact has that had on his foot?

5AA were reporting before the Sydney game Hartigan was in doubt, he plays and hasn’t played since.

We’ve had more hammies than the season average after 7 rounds.

Last year we were lucky our second string players were injured.

 

[Elite Crow]

Ha ha Mary Poppins brigade. Gud won. I don’t give a rats arse if the club thinks it’s ok to release or contain whatever information. It’s allowed to treat its information in the way it thinks is best for the club. Some people go all cloak and dagger with absurd conspiracy theories, others have things in perspective.

Your gullibility is perspective?

 

[hey shorty]

Ok, not every injury but obviously they’ve contributed a lot.

Whose decision was it to play Sloane injured and what impact has that had on his foot?

5AA were reporting before the Sydney game Hartigan was in doubt, he plays and hasn’t played since.

We’ve had more hammies than the season average after 7 rounds.

Last year we were lucky our second string players were injured.

Reality is if Sloane passes the fitness test then they play him for the Collingwood game. It's still poor management though, an 80% jabbed up for a 40 minute test is always going to pass.

 

[Elite Crow]

Reality is if Sloane passes the fitness test then they play him for the Collingwood game. It's still poor management though, an 80% jabbed up for a 40 minute test is always going to pass.

He couldn’t finish the game against Saint Kilda and the decision to play him on the hard surface at Etihad?

 

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There is no doubt that our injury list is currently higher than the AFL average but last year it was below average.

We had 8 hamstring injuries last year, no way is that "below average"

 

[footy4ever]

Your gullibility is perspective?

Call it what you like, it’s more perspective than conspiracy theories.