Good Friday 2017...how would you feel...

[Bont2Bruce]

And how exactly do you know this?

Because they looked stupid enough last year awarding Carlton all the fixturing favours as it was, to have given the Good Friday vs your club would have been a step too far given that the media were already lambasting them for the terrible fixturing in 2015.

There was just no defensible way that they could give Carlton another marquee game on Good Friday 2016 in the face of that.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Jeez didn't take long for all this self sense of entitlement to come out from these flogs.

On repeat. Where did I say that I feel entitled to anything?

The only club's supporters in this thread who feel entitled to something are yours, because you feel like you have some sort of patent on the idea. So much is this the case that to a man, all the replies I have had in this thread consider my suggestion of our two clubs working together to put a submission as evidence of a sense of entitlement on my part. Sheesh.

In terms of giving clubs that haven't had exposure to marquee games on public holidays a chance to do so, Carlton are one of the last Melbourne clubs who should be in that conversation however. Carlton and Essendon got sweet deals to play some of their home games at Docklands. Your club and mine (and Saints) got screwed over. Why should Carlton get another leg up?

My first question in this thread was why your club is against working with ours on a submission. Your view is that your club hasn't been against it, fair enough. The previous answers I received didn't take that view.

 

[trooroo4life]

On repeat. Where did I say that I feel entitled to anything?

My first question was why your club is against working with ours on a submission. Your view is that your club hasn't been against it, fair enough. The previous answers I received didn't take that view.

Thought the post on the previous page was you, was StringerDog. My apolog to you, but the point stands against him and a few other flogs ruining it for the majority of you.

We have never gone in with a "joint submission" with Carlton. We initially went in and put forward the idea of playing Carlton due to the proximity of both clubs and the hospital as our initial pitch. Carlton then started pitching the idea, that's where all that talk has come from. This is years and years ago. I'm not going to go searching but I know for a fact it's out there within the past 3 years the club or someone speaking on its behalf stressed that it didn't matter the opposition but as the FIRST club to show any interest we deserved to get the go ahead. It's only since it gathered much more media attention in recent years that your mob, stk, Sydney and Adelaide have all jumped on the wagon.

 

[trooroo4life]

In terms of giving clubs that haven't had exposure to marquee games on public holidays a chance to do so, Carlton are one of the last Melbourne clubs who should be in that conversation however. Carlton and Essendon got sweet deals to play some of their home games at Docklands. Your club and mine (and Saints) got screwed over. Why should Carlton get another leg up?

I agree, Carlton don't need or deserve another marquee fixture. We are clearly only pointing out the facts being as the first 2 clubs to show any interest to the idea that is has long been spoken that the 2 clubs would be the participants if it ever went ahead. Like I said in my post above, only until very recently clubs like yours have only started to show interest now that it has some drive by the media and a bit of a showcase game feel to it. Fair enough, but don't try and state it as fact that we straight out refused to work with anyone else on the idea. Our pitch/idea was submitted many moons ago, long before any other club showed any interest in it.

 

[Zondor]

When did I say I felt entitled to anything? Go on, find where I said that. The rest of your post is just evidence of your own sense of entitlement.

Yes. I do have a sense of entitlement. It's indicative of my arrogance. As for you it is in your make up to copy and proclaim it as your own. Good Friday. Our idea. Ballarat. Our idea. Having Sex with Jen Hawkins sprinkled in Chocolate Quik. Our idea. Having a Woman as President. Our idea. But seeing that you're a bunch of Culture Bandits without an original thought between youse you steal and copy and proclaim as your own, other people's ideas and I don't think that is very fair. :stern look

 

[trooroo4life]

I'm not, I came here to ask if that was the case - because it presents that way from the outside looking in.

Don't forget that any game on good Friday has to benefit the appeal. It's not all about fixture equalisation, has a lot to do with fundraising and awareness. Ofcourse the fixture will bring with it greater exposure for the clubs, but this will never be allowed to be treated as a cash grab by the clubs or the public will vote against it with their feet. This fixture will always have to benefit the appeal, that much has been made clear.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Yes. I do have a sense of entitlement. It's indicative of my arrogance. As for you it is in your make up to copy and proclaim it as your own. Good Friday. Our idea. Ballarat. Our idea. Having Sex with Jen Hawkins sprinkled in Chocolate Quik. Our idea. Having a Woman as President. Our idea. But seeing that you're a bunch of Culture Bandits without an original thought between youse you steal and copy and proclaim as your own, other people's ideas and I don't think that is very fair. :stern look

Whatever lets you sleep at night mate.

 

[Zondor]

Maybe North should have hitched its wagon to a team on the up, no-one wants to watch 2 bottom 8 sides play that day

The Ice Epedemic has hit the Western Suburbs hard. Collingwood and Essendon were 2 bottom 8 sides that played on Anzac Day this year and plenty of people went to that match. :stern look

 

[Zondor]

OK. I guess it comes down to this then.

Clearly there is no difference between the fixturing that the Roos, Bulldogs or Saints currently receive - we all get didly squat in terms of marquee games at present.

My view is that an argument on the basis of fixture equalisation has more chance of success than an argument on the basis of first dibs.

Your view is to steal other people's ideas and proclaim them as your own. :stern look

 

[Zondor]

Whatever lets you sleep at night mate.

Half Tonne Mom doesn't let me sleep at night. :stern look

 

[Arden]

Sure, but that doesn't differentiate the proposal from your club from the joint proposal from the Saints-Dogs. Everyone is talking about the same links to the Good Friday Appeal.

So you're cool if we team up with St Kilda then? They don't have any marquee fixtures like us, so will help towards equalisation.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

So the bullies are now the front runners to secure good Friday footy despite us being the first to put it to the AFL.

I actually think it would be an excellent idea for both us and the doggies to go to the AFL as a joint venture considering their success and is being the club who put the idea into the spotlight.

Us vs the dogs on a Friday night fixture on good Friday would be awesome from a marketability point of view, would also continue to portray us as a family club too (ya know with the whole not benefitting from gambling thing).

We aren't entitled to it and it's best if we work with the dogs for it to benefit both clubs.

 

[Zondor]

I don't have a problem with it. You're a little bit late though.

A little bit late? How ironic. We have been petitioning the AFL for the last 69 years to play on Good Friday and this Culture Bandit proclaims we are little bit late though. Turn it up! :stern look

 

[jess_1804]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...h/news-story/6d77ec6b336871214aa07f7c0606c805

Western Bulldogs likely to feature in Good Friday game after AFL Commission approves the push

JON RALPH, Herald Sun
October 5, 2016 8:48pm
Subscriber only

THE Western Bulldogs have roared into favouritism as a Good Friday participant after their epic Grand Final charge.

The league will play Good Friday football for the first time next year in a twilight spot after receiving AFL Commission approval.

North Melbourne is also in a strong position to win a Good Friday berth after lobbying for the slot for decades.

The AFL said on Wednesday it had not ruled out rotating the two teams involved every year, with the fixture out in late October.

But with the Dogs suddenly everyone’s favourite side and having made a strong submission their claims would be hard to overlook.

Dogs chief executive Gary Kent said on Wednesday the club had put in what it believed was a “compelling” submission.

“We thought it was a terrific joint proposal with St Kilda about what we would do with the Royal Children’s Hospital,” he said.

The Bulldogs have become favourites to play on Good Friday after their Grand Final win. Picture: Michael Klein
“It would also connect with the local football community in terms of fundraising but also making it a real community day.

“We thought it was compelling from that perspective. This is not a cash grab, this is more consistent with what Good Friday is all about.

“If you look at our ratings in the last four weeks of the year they were excellent and we are very exciting to watch and getting a lot of eyeballs watching our games.”

Carlton has told the Herald Sun it is still lobbying hard to be included, with St Kilda putting in their joint submission along with the Bulldogs.

ANALYSIS: THE BULLDOGS BELIEVED IN THEIR MODEL, WON FLAG THEIR WAY

The Dogs, which played three Friday night games this year, all of a sudden have the power to demand marquee fixturing slots.

A twilight game in Melbourne seems the most likely, with the contest integrated into Channel Seven’s Royal Children’s Hospital Good Friday Appeal.

The view within the AFL is that North Melbourne has been so persistent in its lobbying it would be incredibly unlucky to miss out.

AFL fixturing boss Travis Auld told the Herald Sun the league had a difficult decision given the clamouring to play in the historic game.

North Melbourne has long lobbied to play a game on Good Friday. Picture: Sarah Reed
“Basically we know now we have the support of the Commission if we decide we want to go ahead with it. Now it’s about getting the right mix of teams and the balance of the fixture,’’ he said.

“There is plenty of interest in it so we have still got to determine which market to play it in, but we are not short of interest from teams playing in that slot.

“We have to take into account other requests clubs might have, where the game will be played and what venue.

“We have to take into account the level of interest of clubs and the relevance to the day and the length of time the club has been interested in it.”

Adelaide chairman Rob Chapman this year also pushed for the Crows to be given a slice of Good Friday football, with a rotating schedule possible.

“What is possible is you rotate which teams play on Good Friday if you continue it on,’’ Auld said.

“It is something that could be flexible. We don’t know if that is something we will do. If we decide we do it in Victoria we need to complement the appeal. It is an iconic part of the day and it’s very important to our partners.”

 

[scooby1279]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...h/news-story/6d77ec6b336871214aa07f7c0606c805

Western Bulldogs likely to feature in Good Friday game after AFL Commission approves the push

JON RALPH, Herald Sun
October 5, 2016 8:48pm
Subscriber only

THE Western Bulldogs have roared into favouritism as a Good Friday participant after their epic Grand Final charge.

The league will play Good Friday football for the first time next year in a twilight spot after receiving AFL Commission approval.

North Melbourne is also in a strong position to win a Good Friday berth after lobbying for the slot for decades.

The AFL said on Wednesday it had not ruled out rotating the two teams involved every year, with the fixture out in late October.

But with the Dogs suddenly everyone’s favourite side and having made a strong submission their claims would be hard to overlook.

Dogs chief executive Gary Kent said on Wednesday the club had put in what it believed was a “compelling” submission.

“We thought it was a terrific joint proposal with St Kilda about what we would do with the Royal Children’s Hospital,” he said.

The Bulldogs have become favourites to play on Good Friday after their Grand Final win. Picture: Michael Klein
“It would also connect with the local football community in terms of fundraising but also making it a real community day.

“We thought it was compelling from that perspective. This is not a cash grab, this is more consistent with what Good Friday is all about.

“If you look at our ratings in the last four weeks of the year they were excellent and we are very exciting to watch and getting a lot of eyeballs watching our games.”

Carlton has told the Herald Sun it is still lobbying hard to be included, with St Kilda putting in their joint submission along with the Bulldogs.

ANALYSIS: THE BULLDOGS BELIEVED IN THEIR MODEL, WON FLAG THEIR WAY

The Dogs, which played three Friday night games this year, all of a sudden have the power to demand marquee fixturing slots.

A twilight game in Melbourne seems the most likely, with the contest integrated into Channel Seven’s Royal Children’s Hospital Good Friday Appeal.

The view within the AFL is that North Melbourne has been so persistent in its lobbying it would be incredibly unlucky to miss out.

AFL fixturing boss Travis Auld told the Herald Sun the league had a difficult decision given the clamouring to play in the historic game.

North Melbourne has long lobbied to play a game on Good Friday. Picture: Sarah Reed
“Basically we know now we have the support of the Commission if we decide we want to go ahead with it. Now it’s about getting the right mix of teams and the balance of the fixture,’’ he said.

“There is plenty of interest in it so we have still got to determine which market to play it in, but we are not short of interest from teams playing in that slot.

“We have to take into account other requests clubs might have, where the game will be played and what venue.

“We have to take into account the level of interest of clubs and the relevance to the day and the length of time the club has been interested in it.”

Adelaide chairman Rob Chapman this year also pushed for the Crows to be given a slice of Good Friday football, with a rotating schedule possible.

“What is possible is you rotate which teams play on Good Friday if you continue it on,’’ Auld said.

“It is something that could be flexible. We don’t know if that is something we will do. If we decide we do it in Victoria we need to complement the appeal. It is an iconic part of the day and it’s very important to our partners.”

You just know it will be Dogs v Saints with the afl saying the exact same thing the following day: "North Melbourne has been so persistent in its lobbying they are unlucky to miss out"

 

[Fraud Squad]

Yes. I do have a sense of entitlement. It's indicative of my arrogance. As for you it is in your make up to copy and proclaim it as your own. Good Friday. Our idea. Ballarat. Our idea. Having Sex with Jen Hawkins sprinkled in Chocolate Quik. Our idea. Having a Woman as President. Our idea. But seeing that you're a bunch of Culture Bandits without an original thought between youse you steal and copy and proclaim as your own, other people's ideas and I don't think that is very fair. :stern look

You forgot half tonne mom.

edit: no you didn't!!

 

[Arden]

I don't have a problem with it. You're a little bit late though.

Oh floggo, stop trying to pretend that you have nothing against our club either.

Have seen your posts about us on your board, it's probably best you don't come around here anymore.

 

[hotham]

NM should expect to be let down by AFL. I don't think NM has established a good relationshop with AFL. However, it appears that Peter Gordon throught his Equalisation project has fostered an excellent relationship with AFL. The bloke has clout and influence.

 

[mighty mick]

honestly for me this is the last straw with the afl and this group of so braves, i can understand happiness of success with a gf, but the speed of the arrogance built up by the club with the media feeding it all the way is sickening.

they have followed in our footsteps for a long time
broadmeadows social club failure = edgewater social club failure
massive debt = our reduced debt
ballarat push = bulldogs playing games in ballarat 2017
games in tassie = games in manuka and townsville

and of course now good friday and trying to steal it with the saints , i dont mind playing the dogs, but the carlton north game makes more sense, and we had the right aspect of the game firstly being a donation builder for the royal childrens hospital, and a block buster second. the crowd would be huge anyway with all the things going on around docklands. having

so f off sobraves get your own ideas for once

 

[Boristown]

NM should expect to be let down by AFL. I don't think NM has established a good relationshop with AFL. However, it appears that Peter Gordon throught his Equalisation project has fostered an excellent relationship with AFL. The bloke has clout and influence.

We decided to hitch our wagon to Carlton, who already have a number of blockbuster fixtures. We didn't read the equalisation tea leaves from AFL HQ and are now at risk of losing out altogether.

Had we gone with a joint proposal with a fellow small market team such as Saints or Bulldogs, I dare say we'd have it locked away given our lobbying over a long period of time.

Crazy decision to handcuff ourselves to Carlton.

 

[Bleeeeeeeeep]

We decided to hitch our wagon to Carlton, who already have a number of blockbuster fixtures. We didn't read the equalisation tea leaves from AFL HQ and are now at risk of losing out altogether.

Had we gone with a joint proposal with a fellow small market team such as Saints or Bulldogs, I dare say we'd have it locked away given our lobbying over a long period of time.

Crazy decision to handcuff ourselves to Carlton.

The idea of Carlton is that they are a "BIG" club that can draw a crowd and the idea that both Carlton and NMFC are book ended between the RCH. Makes sense. But the AFL love to shaft us so no surprise if we are not involved in any capacity.
The #sobraves can go get f***ed and think up there own sh*t.

 

[Boristown]

The idea of Carlton is that they are a "BIG" club that can draw a crowd and the idea that both Carlton and NMFC are book ended between the RCH. Makes sense. But the AFL love to shaft us so no surprise if we are not involved in any capacity.
The #sobraves can go get f***ed and think up there own sh*t.

Carlton being a BIG team may actually work against our proposal.

And honestly, if our proximity to the RCH was our major draw card then that's just ****ing hilarious. Surely that wasn't one of our major selling points.

 

[Bleeeeeeeeep]

Carlton being a BIG team may actually work against our proposal.

And honestly, if our proximity to the RCH was our major draw card then that's just ****ing hilarious. Surely that wasn't one of our major selling points.

I cant see how it would work against us, i dont think they actually have a "blockbuster" per se (i cant think of one anyway) and the AFL would be looking at a club that has some pulling power.
I am not privy to discussion and dont know if the whole proximity thing was part of the argument, but i see it as a bit of a soft selling point. I would think a sticking point would be the whole RCH appeal and if you can get 2 clubs that are some how connected you could use it to sell the idea.

 

[Boristown]

I cant see how it would work against us, i dont think they actually have a "blockbuster" per se (i cant think of one anyway) and the AFL would be looking at a club that has some pulling power.
I am not privy to discussion and dont know if the whole proximity thing was part of the argument, but i see it as a bit of a soft selling point. I would think a sticking point would be the whole RCH appeal and if you can get 2 clubs that are some how connected you could use it to sell the idea.

They get the season opener vs Richmond.

 

[mighty mick]

It's not about the blockbuster aspect its about having a game on this day when not much is open this brings the crowd as there is plenty going on the day around the ground already.

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