Is our medical team not up to it?

[therubbernub]

Have we had a change in staff from last season? We seemed to have a very good run last year

ROFLMAO

 

[therubbernub]

It might've been the thought process of "Carltons is so bad I'm going to go with the less bad one" as opposed to "Essendons medical team are fantastic so I'll go with them".

Might've been something with O'Maera as well, iirc we were interested in him but he chose Hawks because they're one of the best. Now we've been told no by Smith as well. Word spreads quickly in the playing community and if we've got a reputation for not handling injuries all that well we'll want to shake it pretty quick.

 

[BIGGUS 64]

There would be an element of that too. Younger bodies need breaking in.

Phrasing!! lol

We don't want them broken! You mean younger bodies need a few years of training and match hardening to mature and harden up.

 

[BIGGUS 64]

If by barely misses a game at North you mean only played 14 games in 2016 and 10 games in 2017 you would be right.

I would be looking closer at the physios than the Drs as it seems more like a recovery issue.

That's about par for Jarrad.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

ROFLMAO

I can't really think of any other than Curnow and Cripps. Both were nothing more than bad luck and had nothing to do with the medical staff.
Murphy had a full season, Kruezer also had his best run ever......

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

The questions I'd like to know the answers to :

(i) who actually are our medical people ??

(ii) what policies do they work to ??

(iii) who makes the decisions & who has the final say ??

(iv) at what point does the football department get involved ??

Knowing who is on the Medical team is tricky, there are so many specialisations and often clubs use many silent partners. I'm actually getting a mate to talk with a silent partner of Carlton's up here in Sydney @ UTS soon, see if he can shed any light on how involved he is and the situation. He's left over from the Malthouse days. Jimmae knows of who I speak, currently at work and mental blanking hard on the mans name :/

 

[thylacine60]

we'll be sitting here holding our breath every time willo goes near it in round 1 - no confidence in prevention, rehab or monitoring and it's killing me

 

[Masqualero]

Has anyone ever considered our medical team is on a journey?...

Greenshoots...

 

[chipzac]

Has anyone ever considered our medical team is on a journey?...

Greenshoots...

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and there's a lot of posters on here who would like to tell them where to go

 

[Masqualero]

and there's a lot of posters on here who would like to tell them where to go

Pre-season Tassie trip

 

[Jimmae]

Knowing who is on the Medical team is tricky, there are so many specialisations and often clubs use many silent partners. I'm actually getting a mate to talk with a silent partner of Carlton's up here in Sydney @ UTS soon, see if he can shed any light on how involved he is and the situation. He's left over from the Malthouse days. Jimmae knows of who I speak, currently at work and mental blanking hard on the mans name :/

Aaron Coutts (aka Tom from MySpace)

https://www.uts.edu.au/staff/aaron.coutts

 

[gbatman]

Possibly need a refresher course on strapping ankles...

 

[Aphrodite]

Has anyone ever considered our medical team is on a journey?...

Greenshoots...

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He is a Vet ffs!

 

[Robert Heatley]

To be honest, think it's been going on for years.

Waite could never get on the park for us and now he barely misses a game at north.

Trying to find an interview he did basically saying that gettimg on the park more he puts down to norths medical team.

Was a bit of a backhander to the medical treatment at the Blues.

I recall hearing Drew Petrie interviewed and he had urged North to go after Waite because he was confident their medical team could get him right.

 

[RAPPA]

A rebuild shouldn't be limited to the players on the park. Player wellbeing and longevity is critical to onfield success meaning our medical team is critical. This year has been horrid and the evidence stacks up that it's more than a coincidence. A serious in club investigation is needed.

 

[Masqualero]

He is a Vet ffs!

Veteran of the club?

 

[Aphrodite]

Veteran of the club?

Veterinarian

 

[Masqualero]

Veterinarian

Sorry, should have put one of these bad boys in the post

 

[Aphrodite]

Sorry, should have put one of these bad boys in the post

 

[Jimmae]

The post-game roving from BT gave a little insight into how meticulous Sydney are about their performance management, as did how easily the Swans ran out the game, and how quickly their kids develop over the first 12 months despite an AFLPA mandated 0.75 performance loading.

We really need to ******* fire some people.

 

[AceAndy]

The post-game roving from BT gave a little insight into how meticulous Sydney are about their performance management, as did how easily the Swans ran out the game, and how quickly their kids develop over the first 12 months despite an AFLPA mandated 0.75 performance loading.

We really need to ******* fire some people.

What does that mean ?

 

[Mr_Plow]

The post-game roving from BT gave a little insight into how meticulous Sydney are about their performance management, as did how easily the Swans ran out the game, and how quickly their kids develop over the first 12 months despite an AFLPA mandated 0.75 performance loading.

We really need to ******* fire some people.

What did you see?

 

[Jimmae]

What does that mean ?

They can only do 75% of the training workload under the current AFLPA agreements.

What did you see?

Dan Hannebery was quick to mention the medical staff in his comments about making it to 200 games in less than 10 seasons.

The players have it very clearly drilled into them to meticulously record personal data. The example of this on TV was each of them carefully recording their pre-game and post-game weights on a laptop above the scales, presumably comparing estimated water loss and caloric deficit with GPS data to tweak recovery. I assume the support staff also record as much as they can about what each player ingests from pre-match to post, and combines that with their logged nutritional data as well.

Some of that stuff our club definitely does, but how we model and respond to that information is clearly much, much poorer. There was definitely an experience gap out there and that of course has an impact, but compare how the Swans handled Papley, to how we've handled Kennedy, or Marchbank, or SPS.

I reckon they have 5% advantage over us just from their methodology, forget talent ID, system and the number of pre-seasons completed.

 

[Doro]

They can only do 75% of the training workload under the current AFLPA agreements.


Dan Hannebery was quick to mention the medical staff in his comments about making it to 200 games in less than 10 seasons.

The players have it very clearly drilled into them to meticulously record personal data. The example of this on TV was each of them carefully recording their pre-game and post-game weights on a laptop above the scales, presumably comparing estimated water loss and caloric deficit with GPS data to tweak recovery. I assume the support staff also record as much as they can about what each player ingests from pre-match to post, and combines that with their logged nutritional data as well.

Some of that stuff our club definitely does, but how we model and respond to that information is clearly much, much poorer. There was definitely an experience gap out there and that of course has an impact, but compare how the Swans handled Papley, to how we've handled Kennedy, or Marchbank, or SPS.

I reckon they have 5% advantage over us just from their methodology, forget talent ID, system and the number of pre-seasons completed.

The Swans and Melbourne Storm are similar organisations in that they have a strong ability to attract the best off field support due a lack of local competitors. Remember we've been close to the worst performing side over the past 20 years- getting quality systems won't be an overnight process achieved via sackings, more likely one that happens with discussion about where we can make improvements.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

The Swans and Melbourne Storm are similar organisations in that they have a strong ability to attract the best off field support due a lack of local competitors. Remember we've been close to the worst performing side over the past 20 years- getting quality systems won't be an overnight process achieved via sackings, more likely one that happens with discussion about where we can make improvements.

That’s not right. The swans are competing with cricket rugby league soccer etc for fitness staff. Sydney arguably has just as much competition as in Melbourne. The Melbourne storm are competing wth Afl clubs. These aren’t the reasons those two clubs are successful in this department. It’s because in setting up in ‘hostile’ markets they’ve had to work extremely hard and turn over more stones to try and become successful and grow roots in the community.

What the Swans have done well is identified and created some really good and easy to find pathways for studying kids to intern with them. If they find gems. They keep them. They really put more effort, time and money in.