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Richo was a bit hard done by given list and resources, but his win loss record just wasn't good enough to last.





of the highest wins coaches on that list

Hardwick had built up the Tigers from 2nd bottom to going to 3 finals series in a row

Jack Worrall won a flag in in 1911 and 1912 in his first 2 years at Essendon but then WWI stuffed things up and had a few seasons only winning 3 games. He also coached Carlton to a flags in 1906-07-08. Played cricket for Oz.

Malthouse took Collingwood to GF's in 2002 and 2003 after only winning 18 games in first two years and 13 the two years after the two GF's.
 
Feel a bit for Richo given St Kilda’s list and run of injuries.

Imagine thinking you’d bottomed out with a pick 1 key forward, then a few short years later their brain has turned to mashed potato.
 
Feel a bit for Richo given St Kilda’s list and run of injuries.

Imagine thinking you’d bottomed out with a pick 1 key forward, then a few short years later their brain has turned to mashed potato.

Hmm is it really that funny to make a comment like the last bit? :oops: Not totally against dark humour but seems a pretty disappointing post in poor taste...

Hard to know what to make of the Saints, they've been mediocre to ok the past couple of years without looking like graduating much beyond that. I don't think their list is completely beyond hope so probably the right call to change things up. I think Richardson is a clever operator, but on the surface not the sort of head coach to inspire that transition.
 

Jordon Butts: The rookie-listed key defender, 19, has impressed with his accurate kicking and intercept marking. Rewarded with a two-year contract extension until 2021.

adelaide have a player called BUTTS. and jordan is spelt wrong.
 

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Richo has St Kilda punching above their weight this year given everything going wrong but it is too little too late. Last year's regression was the tipping point.

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Yeah, I’m not sure Clarkson could’ve done much better than 6 wins with the medical issues that have befallen McCartin, Steven, Roberton, Carlisle, Geary and Lonie over the past season and a bit. But it is what it is.

Maybe a brand new coach will magically change their luck in this regard?

Also, who was the bozo or bozos who traded McEvoy for magic beans just before Richo arrived, or thought handing $4,000,000/5yrs to a clearly crocked Dan Hannebery was a good idea?

There are so many architects of St Kilda’s current mess, and yet they’ve knifed the bloke who has made something of a purse out of the sow’s ear.
 
Feel a bit for Richo given St Kilda’s list and run of injuries.

Imagine thinking you’d bottomed out with a pick 1 key forward, then a few short years later their brain has turned to mashed potato.

Or your football department decides to trade an elite prime ruckman in Ben McEvoy for Shane Savage and a late first rounder that would become Luke Dunstan just before you arrive.

SaInTeRs!
 
Yeah, I’m not sure Clarkson could’ve done much better than 6 wins with the medical issues that have befallen McCartin, Steven, Roberton, Carlisle, Geary and Lonie over the past season and a bit. But it is what it is.

Maybe a brand new coach will magically change their luck in this regard?

Also, who was the bozo or bozos who traded McEvoy for magic beans just before Richo arrived, or thought handing $4,000,000/5yrs to a clearly crocked Dan Hannebery was a good idea?

There are so many architects of St Kilda’s current mess, and yet they’ve knifed the bloke who has made something of a purse out of the sow’s ear.

Our new ruckman Marshall is better, McEvoy had to fight his way in the reserves to become a ruckman for hawthorn, he is nowhere near the best in the Comp, just a serviceable b level ruck, far behind grundy, Goldstein, Gawn, mummy...

Dunny has been really a good player and there has been talk that he might be a captain, savage has also been excellent across half back..

A lot of performance issues with players was Richo’s chaos gameplan, which has been the failure..his win loss record says it all.

Hannebery will be good player for us and with new coach, we will make finals in the next few years.


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Yeah, I’m not sure Clarkson could’ve done much better than 6 wins with the medical issues that have befallen McCartin, Steven, Roberton, Carlisle, Geary and Lonie over the past season and a bit. But it is what it is.

Maybe a brand new coach will magically change their luck in this regard?

Also, who was the bozo or bozos who traded McEvoy for magic beans just before Richo arrived, or thought handing $4,000,000/5yrs to a clearly crocked Dan Hannebery was a good idea?

There are so many architects of St Kilda’s current mess, and yet they’ve knifed the bloke who has made something of a purse out of the sow’s ear.
The same thing with us if you ask me. Saint Kilda will need to do more than just a simple coaching replacement to turn things around and so will we.

Even if we were to replace the senior coach there would still be plentiful issues we would need to address. The two most notable is the management of injuries and the basic skill errors we have frequently been custom to in recent years. These are not issues that will automatically be replaced by a coaching replacement, the club will need to crack down and address these issues individually.
 
The same thing with us if you ask me. Saint Kilda will need to do more than just a simple coaching replacement to turn things around and so will we.

Even if we were to replace the senior coach there would still be plentiful issues we would need to address. The two most notable is the management of injuries and the basic skill errors we have frequently been custom to in recent years. These are not issues that will automatically be replaced by a coaching replacement, the club will need to crack down and address these issues individually.
Erm....they are exactly issues that will be resolved by a new coach. It’s why we will sack the current coach.
 
The same thing with us if you ask me. Saint Kilda will need to do more than just a simple coaching replacement to turn things around and so will we.

Even if we were to replace the senior coach there would still be plentiful issues we would need to address. The two most notable is the management of injuries and the basic skill errors we have frequently been custom to in recent years. These are not issues that will automatically be replaced by a coaching replacement, the club will need to crack down and address these issues individually.

What do you think a new coach is responsible for though?

A new coach will have carte blanche to move on underperformers and set higher standards. It's harder for Hinkley to clean out dead wood because it's his dead wood. He signed them and he plays them.

We could have solved some of these problems in the 7 years Hinkley has been here, but we haven't, and that's because it hasn't been a priority to do so.
 
Erm....they are exactly issues that will be resolved by a new coach. It’s why we will sack the current coach.
Not quite. A new coach will always be effective at refreshing the players under a new leader, who if good enough will inject enough enthusiasm and confidence into the team to and get it back on its feet. And sometimes it can also be very useful to tie knots together and polish up the material, but the management of injury (Apart from selections of course) and management of basic skill errors is not something the senior coach has direct control over. Individuals hired by the club are tasked with managing the player's wellbeing (physical) fitness and skills, those factors are outside of direct control from the senior coach.
 
Not quite. A new coach will always be effective at refreshing the players under a new leader, who if good enough will inject enough enthusiasm and confidence into the team to and get it back on its feet. And sometimes it can also be very useful to tie knots together and polish up the material, but the management of injury (Apart from selections of course) and management of basic skill errors is not something the senior coach has direct control over. Individuals hired by the club are tasked with managing the player's wellbeing (physical) fitness and skills, those factors are outside of direct control from the senior coach.
You’re wrong.
 
You’re wrong.
Well if Saint Kilda suffer from the same shitty scoring efficiency and injury management despite replacing the senior coach then I won't be.
Let's both hope that we don't fall into that trap, one change will not be enough.
 
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