Autopsy Rd 1 Roast & Toast vs Carlton & Rd 2 Changes for Hawthorn

[Serenity_Now]

Are you sure?


The red/yellow/green shows the amount of time spent in an area of the ground. It's a scale. Naturally, the guys who we're seeing (high scoring SC players) had large numbers of disposals in the areas that they spent the majority of their time on the ground. It's logical that that would happen.

My heat maps aren't loading properly, but I can see the small versions. Ryan Shoenmakers, for example, got 2 disposals but has four deep red sections on the field for where he spent a lot of time. Naturally, running patterns will change game to game, however, an overlay of the first 6 games for the season, would definitely give you a strong idea of where players are spending their time.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/heat-maps-breakevens.1127286/page-4.

Yea I think so, like I said, I’ve generated a fair few of them in my previous work and most of them that I’ve seen don’t really look right to me. Either that, or the AFL ones are extremely limited in the info that they provide

 

[RFCGloryJC]

Just a note on Dustin's genius.
Watch the final two minutes, he tries to retrieve the ball for Jack's set shot, from near the boundary.
Jack gets the ball.
Then Dustin signals backwards for players to cover the area.
Always thinking of the next passage of play.
A speedy kick-out from a behind or a centre bounce after a goal.
Genius attention to detail which separates the elite from mediocrity.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

And what's wrong with that?

Yeah, good point!

 

[Royce Hafey]

No thinking person would argue that Rioli has gone backwards since 2017 at a rate of knots.

I would and so would many others. But then, no doubt I'm not "a thinking person".

 

[jreesosb]

I know that would be ideal, but if you are a non-playing emergency you might even look on to Sub somewhat wistfully.

Yeh but as a general rule....bad idea

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Increasing quarters back to full length and limiting rotations helps clubs littered with battlers and a few outside sheep dogs like Whoreforn . Crush and bash and limit the damage , then hope the oppo talented players are cooked when you look to put speed into the game late and hope the sheep dogs get enough space to be damaging enough .

 

[Vassp]

I know you don't

Never said l did

 

[Moppey]

I would and so would many others. But then, no doubt I'm not "a thinking person".

No doubt because you are clearly not thinking about it.

You and i can sit here and give our personel opinions on all things dan Rioli. My challenge to you is to come up with something other than opinion that says he has not transgressed.

Many people i talk to think at the very best he has stagnated, thats being kind. By all measurable standards he has gone backwards.
We are now not talking about some kid with only a handful of games either. He is now in yr six and has over one hundred games to his name. He gave far more in year two than any year since.That imo cannot be challenged because it is so obvious even blind fred can see it.

 

[Moppey]

Dusty didn't get touch in his defensive half so someone needs to carry the load

not sure about that line. So many on here talk about 7 and 8 man defense plus poor games by Caddy and McIntosh both being described as defensive mids. Implying they go back as well.

why do we need Sheds and Martin to do the same. According to many here we have half the team starting on the defensive side as it is.

 

[biaseddustyfan]

wehn the * our nex game

 

[RFCGloryJC]

There have been four strong teams over the past 20 odd years.
Brisbane, Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond.
We all know it's a team sport.
Dimma always stresses this.
However, it would be interesting to know whether Dusty's personal contribution has more impact on our team than a single player in the three previous teams.
It's like an academic question really.
Thought the best individual impact player previously was Carey.

 

[jc12]

Disagree, it looks arrogant and we're not known for that sorta sh*t.

With that said, who knows what was being said out there beforehand. If you watch the Amazon Prime doco, so much random sh*t gets said on the field, I'm sure Docherty deserved it to some degree.

I saw the Amazon doco edited version of the grand final on the afl YouTube channel
Might be over thinking it but it seems like when Chris Scott talks to his players he speaks about us alot more than we talk about the cats. We just focus on our own play , nothing about what the cats are doing and it got the job done. Could be part of the massive change in our weak mentally days of the 00's

 

[jc12]

Every player who has left the club in the last few years has gone for money and opportunities. Butler was a VFL player at Richmond. Saints offered him more opportunity and money probably. So Off he went. Aarts is an adequate
Replacement. Now we played the saints in a final and beat them. Winning finals is all I care about, and I think we have a list that can win the big one again

It's just a classic example of maybe Butler not as a good for our system compared to rioli. Rioli probably more happy with sacrificing his game compared to Butler . Our small fwds in out system don't have to be flashy and score bags of 3 or 4 . Just gotta do their role. Butler probably wasnt doing this

 

[jc12]

People talking about who will replace Rioli or who do we bring in for him.
There is no need to bring in a specialised small forward to replace him. Just drop him and bring in the massive team upgrade in Cotchin.

Bolton, Edwards, Lambert, Graham for starters have all spent significant time in the fwd half and performed both the defensive aspect and offensive aspect as well as Rioli if not better.
Lets set it up like this if we can. i will show players height size to show how little things change while we massively boost midfield strength and at the same time as getting games into a kid.

FF Castagna 181/81 - Lynch 199/99 - RCD 191/91?/Martin 187/90 these two big mids can rotate thru their. RCD actually provides us with genuine height and would require a tall defender. This kid is quick of the mark and when he tackles really cracks in, he would have defenders looking over their shoulders.

HF Aarts 177/76? - Riewoldt 193/93 - Bolton Lambert Edwards Graham even Stack if he ever gets his head screwed on. All smalls, all have played fwd and all would be expected to provide and have not only offense but the required defensive aspects needed. just rotate them all thru there if need be.

If any of the three primary smalls are out of form there are heaps of options already within the team.

For me in Cotchin RCD out Rioli and Caddy.

Are you mopsy ?

 

[Marcel Proust]

Are you mopsy ?

Bit of claw about him

 

[THE_GUN]

So Back to Hawthorn game

How many spuds do we drop this week

 

[k31th]

So Back to Hawthorn game

How many spuds do we drop this week

well, since there are none in our 22, it's a bit hard to drop any

 

[THE_GUN]

well, since there are none in our 22, it's a bit hard to drop any

Nahh surely we can find some

castagna
McIntosh
Rioli
Caddy
Astbury
Short
Prestia
Broad

They have all been spuds at some point in time

 

[k31th]

Nahh surely we can find some

castagna
McIntosh
Rioli
Caddy
Astbury
Short
Prestia
Broad

They have all been spuds at some point in time

In some's opinions... anybody can be a spud if you ask enough people no bigfooty

 

[THE_GUN]

In some's opinions... anybody can be a spud if you ask enough people no bigfooty

OK ................ Lets let the coaches / match committee decide as they know best

 

[k31th]

OK ................ Lets let the coaches / match committee decide as they know best

I look forward to nobody getting dropped, in that case

 

[Woody Woodman]

Oh the melts on the Geelong forum following the Flopperfield suspension. Unlucky, given that he shouldn't have been playing anyway following his effort on Floss in the GF.

 

[Do the Dew]

Oh the melts on the Geelong forum following the Flopperfield suspension. Unlucky, given that he shouldn't have been playing anyway following his effort on Floss in the GF.

I'm in an argument with a Carlton mod who is convinced that Astbury elbowed Plowman in the head. Absolutely laughable.

Danger has taken out oppo players two games in a row. Wonder who's next for him against North in Rd. 5.

 

[Royce Hafey]

No doubt because you are clearly not thinking about it.

You and i can sit here and give our personel opinions on all things dan Rioli. My challenge to you is to come up with something other than opinion that says he has not transgressed.

Many people i talk to think at the very best he has stagnated, thats being kind. By all measurable standards he has gone backwards.
We are now not talking about some kid with only a handful of games either. He is now in yr six and has over one hundred games to his name. He gave far more in year two than any year since.That imo cannot be challenged because it is so obvious even blind fred can see it.

"Has not transgressed" -wtf does that mean? Can I prove that he has never done anything wrong, never made an error? Why do I have to prove that? In any case it's meaningless. I know of one player who has "cost us a goal" in each of the last two games he played by stuffing up a banana kick and kicking the ball out of bounds. So in what were two of the nearest to perfect football games it's possible to imagine a footballer playing, even Dusty "transgressed". If its impossible to say that Dusty "has not transgressed" how could anyone do that for poor old Daniel?

But it's not just that you're demanding I prove a negative which I've never asserted. The opinion, which I and other posters have clearly stated is not that negative, but the clearly falsifiable proposition that he plays his role as a defensive forward and that he plays it well enough that his presence in the team is justified. Many of us have provided evidence to back this up. It is your posts that are pure assertion and the one I quote here is a classic. Assert, assert, assert, and suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with said assertion "doesn't think", that even "Blind Freddy" can see it etc. Your posts on this are semantically identical to VB Longneck's posts; they just have a few more words.

 

[box070]

I saw the Amazon doco edited version of the grand final on the afl YouTube channel
Might be over thinking it but it seems like when Chris Scott talks to his players he speaks about us alot more than we talk about the cats. We just focus on our own play , nothing about what the cats are doing and it got the job done. Could be part of the massive change in our weak mentally days of the 00's

That’s exactly what I took out of it. It’s the mindset thing we preach about emphasising what we do well.