We're a chance to actually win a flag if we play them next year in the gf.
Probably thier best chance as well.
Probably thier best chance as well.
Sydney's record in grand finals needs scrutinising
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2014: Hammered by the Hawks.
2016: Hammered by the Umpires.
2022: Hammered by the Cats.
2016: Hammered by the Umpires.
2022: Hammered by the Cats.
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Not sure if mentioned earlier in thread but Sydney are often a team that performs above its station. This is a compliment. Their culture and mentality lifts average talent to perform above themselves. I loved LRT as a player for example but he was a v limited footballer. So to win the 2 they’ve won is v commendable. But sometimes the committed ensemble comes up against a vastly more talented team and falls short. 2016 was perhaps the one where their talent was equal to or superior to their opposition. But on the flip side their wins against WC and Haw were nice little steals imo.
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Jesus dont look at ours then
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I saw us in 2020 and knew we were s**t. We were winning at half time and even then I knew we would lose.
I would rather get 119d than not be 119d at all.
Not even sure why this is a thread as Sydney hasn't even played in a Grand Final in over 10 years now. Can't really come up with theories on a sample size from so long ago, especially when we lost the 06 Grand Final by so little.
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You guys may hold the record for the absolute number of GFs lost, but we hold the record for the worst GF W/L ratio. I think you and I should have a drink together.
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Hey rapidfire7 your thread about Sydney reminded me of this thread, I remember reading it after Sydney lost the grand final last year.
Is the Bloods Culture still a thing?
Is the Bloods Culture still a thing?
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They will win a flag in the next 3 seasons
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Really! How so?
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Most likely by winning the 2024, 2025, or 2026 Grand Final
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Unlikely, unless they are facing a non vic club...
I see them making a grand final in one of those 3 seasons.
The Pies have a better winning % in Grand Finals compared to the Swans. Signifcantly better actually if you do the maths.
Richmond's last 5 premierships were against Geelong, GWS, Adelaide, Collingwood and North Melbourne.
Seems they can only win GFs against mentally soft/weak opponents too.
This argument is as dumb as dogshit.
The Swans have won two grand finals against teams they probably should have lost to (West Coast and Hawthorn), have lost two against teams they should have beaten (Hawthorn and Bulldogs) and lost two against teams they had every right to lose to (West Coast and Geelong).
If a side finished first four years running and kept losing to sides that finished well below them, yeah I would think that they are suspect in pressure games.
When a side who has rotated through several generations of players, sporadically but just regularly enough makes grand finals, and wins/loses them in differing circumstances, it means nothing.
Geelong’s record in the 1989-1995 era is four GF’s for 4 defeats. Three of them happened to be against sides that finished 3, 3 and 4 wins ahead of us in the regular season. In 1992 we finished first - half a game ahead of WCE.
So yeah we didn’t win a title. We also had every reason not to in three of those seasons and the other was virtually 50-50.
Just making grand finals doesn’t dictate that you should be perpetually winning them
The Swans have won two grand finals against teams they probably should have lost to (West Coast and Hawthorn), have lost two against teams they should have beaten (Hawthorn and Bulldogs) and lost two against teams they had every right to lose to (West Coast and Geelong).
If a side finished first four years running and kept losing to sides that finished well below them, yeah I would think that they are suspect in pressure games.
When a side who has rotated through several generations of players, sporadically but just regularly enough makes grand finals, and wins/loses them in differing circumstances, it means nothing.
Geelong’s record in the 1989-1995 era is four GF’s for 4 defeats. Three of them happened to be against sides that finished 3, 3 and 4 wins ahead of us in the regular season. In 1992 we finished first - half a game ahead of WCE.
So yeah we didn’t win a title. We also had every reason not to in three of those seasons and the other was virtually 50-50.
Just making grand finals doesn’t dictate that you should be perpetually winning them
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Sydney just seem to bob up and grab one every decade or so (like us)
Wouldn't put it past them.
Maybe no Buddy focus will help them.
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Wouldn't put it past them.
Maybe no Buddy focus will help them.
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Fremantle 0 and 1, 0% success rate
GWS 0 and 1, 0% success rate
St Kilda 1 and 6, 14.28% success rate
Sydney 5 and 13, 27.77% success rate
Collingwood 16 and 27, 37.20% success rate
North 4 and 5, 44.44% success rate
Dogs 2 and 2, 50% success rate
Port 1 and 1, 50% success rate
Geelong 10 and 10, 50% success rate
Richmond 13 and 12, 52% success rate
Essendon 16 and 14, 53.33% success rate
Carlton 16 and 13, 55.17% success rate
West Coast 4 and 3, 57.14% success rate
Brisbane 3 and 2, 60% success rate
Fitzroy 8 and 5, 61.53% success rate
Adelaide 2 and 1, 66.66% success rate
Hawthorn 13 and 6, 68.42% success rate
Melbourne 13 and 5, 72.22% success rate
GWS 0 and 1, 0% success rate
St Kilda 1 and 6, 14.28% success rate
Sydney 5 and 13, 27.77% success rate
Collingwood 16 and 27, 37.20% success rate
North 4 and 5, 44.44% success rate
Dogs 2 and 2, 50% success rate
Port 1 and 1, 50% success rate
Geelong 10 and 10, 50% success rate
Richmond 13 and 12, 52% success rate
Essendon 16 and 14, 53.33% success rate
Carlton 16 and 13, 55.17% success rate
West Coast 4 and 3, 57.14% success rate
Brisbane 3 and 2, 60% success rate
Fitzroy 8 and 5, 61.53% success rate
Adelaide 2 and 1, 66.66% success rate
Hawthorn 13 and 6, 68.42% success rate
Melbourne 13 and 5, 72.22% success rate
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Agree. Winning GFs is all about luck on the day. This year it went our way. A one off event doesn't determine who is better.
We have lost GFs because we peaked in years when there were super sides. 02 and 03 Brisbane, who I still think is the greatest team to ever play. In 2011 to Geelong, who are not far behind the Brisbane of 01-04.
Sydney have also lost to super sides such as West Coast in 2006 and Hawthorn of 2013. Sides like Richmond were lucky to peak in weak years of 2017 and 2019.
Losing a GF though is a hell of a lot better than a miserable season finishing with the wooden spoon, indicating a future of a long wait to get to play finals.
Getting to a Prelim let alone a Grand Final is very tough. It's highly competitive. Most clubs strive for a flag but getting to a Prelim alone has significant financial benefits. A losing GF record imo isn't worth of scrutiny. Getting there is in itself a "success". IMO the scrutiny should be on teams that never or rarely get to Prelims and Grand Finals. At least Sydney gets there.
