Recommitted Tim Kelly [requested a trade to West Coast]

[STPer18]

Well would you look who's turned up to Geelong's pre-season training with the rest of the senior players? Looks a lot like Tim Kelly to me, but that can't be true, I thought he was going to stay in Perth and play in the WAFL according to many of the WCE supporting intellects on this website.

 

[Pulsedriver]

picks in the 20s were unders not overs.

2 x 2nd rounders could've been changed to pick 13. Geelong didn't want that; they rejected reasonable. They chose to wield their leverage instead.

Cats asked for fair value whilst under contract.

Since when did the word "exceptional" mean fair?

We can't demand a top 10 if you don't have one this year is the only thing that has changed.

Geelong can't demand anything this year due to no leverage. Geelong are reliant on WC's goodwill. WC will negotiate with Wells' stubbornness and acting in bad faith in mind. That there is but one change to how things will be different in 2019 from 2018.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

To all posters who are looking to have lunch today and would like to support Doris aka Lunch Lady, here is her place of work.

This is your best effort?

 

[Pulsedriver]

And here we have it. Resort to questioning intelligence when you have nothing meaningful to add. Congrats.

Cry some more why don't you.

What do you think a 23 year old midfielder who just polled 13 Brownlow votes and finished 2nd in the b&f should be worth on the trade table? Please also keep in mind that this player is also an exceptional salary cap bargain in 2019 and as only a second year player would be expected to have more improvement in them than a regular 23 year old. What would this player be worth? 2 speculative mid 20’s draft picks?

In 2018, a pick in the 13-19 range. That could've been done if Geelong didn't can the idea of WC trading down with Sydney in order to facilitate a trade with Geelong. In 2019, given Wells' stubbornness and act of bad faith, as well as Geelong having no leverage to impose their will on negotiations, and Tim only wanting to join one particular club, a pick in the 17-23 range will suffice. If multiple picks make up that value due to Geelong having no leverage, that's Geelong's own fault for not trading reasonably when they had the chance.[/QUOTE]

 

[Pulsedriver]

Well would you look who's turned up to Geelong's pre-season training with the rest of the senior players? Looks a lot like Tim Kelly to me, but that can't be true, I thought he was going to stay in Perth and play in the WAFL according to many of the WCE supporting intellects on this website.

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Good. Keep him fit, so he can hit preseason training for WC next year in good shape.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

In 2018, a pick in the 13-19 range. That could've been done if Geelong didn't can the idea of WC trading down with Sydney in order to facilitate a trade with Geelong.

Where did you read this?

 

[strauchnyy]

Geelong are reliant on WC's goodwill. Wells no doubt used up a lot of it by acting in bad faith. Any push-back by Geelong is limp-wristed. Geelong have no leverage, no contract, to impose their will next go around. Geelong could've been reasonable and had WC give them pick 13 this year, but Wells was stubborn. Given that was a reasonable offer, what makes you believe (besides your hopes, dreams and desires) WC are going to offer a pick in that range after Wells' actions, as well as having no leverage to keep Tim?

Bad faith? What bad faith? What utter crap.

You lowballed a contracted player. The price was set day 1 and WC didn't provide it. Instead you twiddled your thumbs and at the 11th hour threw in another R2 pick.. again for one of our best players. You guys offered below value, for a contracted player. Wells had every right to tell you to get stuffed but he was there in the room at the 11th hour. Wells is usually one to bend over in trades, so for him to hold his ground tells you about the lowball offer from WC.

You guys were stubborn by not offering what was required since the onus was on YOU, NOT us to come up with a trade. Wells is one of the best most fair operators. WC offered sub par picks that we did not want. If I offer $250k for a house worth $350k and sulk when they don't have over the keys, is the vendor stubburn?

Could not make this sh*t up.

Only thing that has changed is he is out of contract, but a trade STILL needs to occur for him to go to WC with Freo certain to pick him up in the draft. It won't come to that because a trade should occur (R1 + knives depending on your position on the ladder, if you have a pick in the top say 13, I'm sure we'd take it and move on given the contract status but if it's around 20 then you can bet your your little weagles socks that we will ask for more).

Except middle ground won't be from Geelong starting negotiations from their insanely unreasonable demand for a top 10 pick, with middle ground becoming what WC could've given Geelong this year in pick 13. WC will insist Geelong start negotiations at where it should've been (around pick 13), then factor in that Geelong have no leverage, have previously acted stubbornly, and Tim only wanting to come to WC, then the two clubs will negotiate from there. It's this that makes WC's 2 x 2nd rounders viable. If WC play friendly poker, Geelong will get WC's 1st - dependent upon where WC finish.

If Geelong wanted reasonable and professional, they shouldn't have rebuffed such when it was provided by WC this year. Geelong fans only now want to call for professionalism when there's no leverage for the Cats to wield. Funny that.

Care to send the evidence that Geelong rejected 13. Seems more likely WC were too slow to act and let the opportunity slip by them.

Geelong no leverage? lol. WC have to trade to get him and if you think two second rounders will cut it then good luck to you mate! you are going to be pretty disappointed. In reality, WC will cough up a first and depending on where that pick is, probably something else.

Geelong stubborn after rejecting two speculative picks for a top 5 player at the club, whilst under contract? bahahaha boooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[ghostbat12]

He doesn't, his partner does.

The only two things we know for sure are that his partner desperately wants to have him at WCE next year and WCE doesn't really want Tim all that much. The rest will be decided in 12 months.

Hahaha apparently we are offering to pay him more than Geelong or Fremantle.

Hmmm so who doesn’t want him?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Well would you look who's turned up to Geelong's pre-season training with the rest of the senior players? Looks a lot like Tim Kelly to me

The bloke who won your Best First Year Player award a couple of months ago is now considered a senior player?

Geez that bodes well for the future.

 

[Pulsedriver]

Where did you read this?

Swans say they're open to trading their 1st round selection.

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2018-10-03/swans-open-to-trade-on-pick-12


"The Eagles tried to turn those picks into pick 13 but Adelaide grabbed that off Sydney as part of the Mitch McGovern deal, so they were left with a strong but not a knockout hand."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-for-geelong-s-tim-kelly-20181016-p509wg.html


Sydney Receive: Picks #26, #28 (Carlton) and #40 (Adelaide)
Carlton Receive: Mitch McGovern and 2019 3rd round pick (Adelaide)
Adelaide Receive: Pick #13 (Sydney), Future 5th round pick (Carlton) and Shane McAdam (Sturt)

WC offered more to Sydney than Adelaide eventually did. So there's no doubt WC would've traded with Sydney if Geelong were willing to trade Kelly for pick 13.

 

[Hinkley29]

Cry some more why don't you.



In 2018, a pick in the 13-19 range. That could've been done if Geelong didn't can the idea of WC trading down with Sydney in order to facilitate a trade with Geelong. In 2019, given Wells' stubbornness and act of bad faith, as well as Geelong having no leverage to impose their will on negotiations, and Tim only wanting to join one particular club, a pick in the 17-23 range will suffice. If multiple picks make up that value due to Geelong having no leverage, that's Geelong's own fault for not trading reasonably when they had the chance.

[/QUOTE]
Good job tough guy. Sikk burn bro!!11!

A pick as high as 19 is fair value? Your talent evaluation skills are about as good as your insult skills.

Finally, please answer these questions
1. When WC offer pick 23 after 2019, and Geelong rightfully reject it as not even close to adequate compensation, then what happens next? I bet you are one of those dullards who believe that “he will just nominate again for the draft and we will pick him up for free. Yeah, cop that Geelong for being stubborn and acting in bad faith.” The only 2 established players to have ever done this are a washed up Luke Ball, and a desperate Nick Stevens who only succeeded in being drafted to Carlton where he did not want to play. Do you honestly think that Tim Kelly, the man who missed out in 5 drafts will keen to do that and risk getting drafted by Freo?
2. Who is acting in “bad faith”?:
- the club who finally drafted Tim Kelly after he was rejected in the draft 5 times, and then demanded adequate compensation when he threatened to leave after 1 season? Or
- the club who failed to draft him 6 times, then got in his ear about coming home after 1 season only to not get a deal done because they were caught out trying to take advantage of his personal situation by getting him on the cheap?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Swans say they're open to trading their 1st round selection.

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2018-10-03/swans-open-to-trade-on-pick-12


"The Eagles tried to turn those picks into pick 13 but Adelaide grabbed that off Sydney as part of the Mitch McGovern deal, so they were left with a strong but not a knockout hand."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-for-geelong-s-tim-kelly-20181016-p509wg.html


Sydney Receive: Picks #26, #28 (Carlton) and #40 (Adelaide)
Carlton Receive: Mitch McGovern and 2019 3rd round pick (Adelaide)
Adelaide Receive: Pick #13 (Sydney), Future 5th round pick (Carlton) and Shane McAdam (Sturt)

WC offered more to Sydney than Adelaide eventually did. So there's no doubt WC would've traded with Sydney if Geelong were willing to trade Kelly for pick 13.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of doubt about your conclusion.

 

[Obeanie1]

Well would you look who's turned up to Geelong's pre-season training with the rest of the senior players? Looks a lot like Tim Kelly to me, but that can't be true, I thought he was going to stay in Perth and play in the WAFL according to many of the WCE supporting intellects on this website.

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Still flogging this straw man argument?

Whatever makes you feel better about the situation I suppose.

 

[Obeanie1]

And here we have it. Resort to questioning intelligence when you have nothing meaningful to add. Congrats.

I will make it very simple for you:
What do you think a 23 year old midfielder who just polled 13 Brownlow votes and finished 2nd in the b&f should be worth on the trade table? Please also keep in mind that this player is also an exceptional salary cap bargain in 2019 and as only a second year player would be expected to have more improvement in them than a regular 23 year old. What would this player be worth? 2 speculative mid 20’s draft picks?

Well what we have learned after the draft was those 2 speculative picks20 + 22 PLUS the Eagles 2019 2nd (which was the Eagles final offer)equated to.

Three 2018 2nd rounds, a 2019 upgrade from the 3rd round to the Swans 2nd PLUS the Eagles 2019 2nd.

So Kelly + the Cats 2019 3rd could have landed Geelong 2018 picks 28, 31 and 35. The Swans 2019 2nd PLUS the Eagles 2019 2nd say picks 32 and 36.

So in total picks 28 + 31 + 32 + 35 + 36.

So five second round picks. FIVE. Does that sound like unders or getting someone on the cheap? No it doesn't!

For a club that needs an injection of youth they seem to be picking it mostly at the arse end of the draft.

 

[Hinkley29]

Well what we have learned after the draft was those 2 speculative picks20 + 22 PLUS the Eagles 2019 2nd (which was the Eagles final offer)equated to.

Three 2018 2nd rounds, a 2019 upgrade from the 3rd round to the Swans 2nd PLUS the Eagles 2019 2nd.

So Kelly + the Cats 2019 3rd could have landed Geelong 2018 picks 28, 31 and 35. The Swans 2019 2nd PLUS the Eagles 2019 2nd say picks 32 and 36.

So in total picks 28 + 31 + 32 + 35 + 36.

So five second round picks. FIVE. Does that sound like unders or getting someone on the cheap? No it doesn't!

For a club that needs an injection of youth they seem to be picking it mostly at the arse end of the draft.

That is a classic “3 quarters for a dollar” trade. You could sum it up as “if we put together a whole bunch of mediocre stuff it should add up to one quality asset”. No thanks, the one quality asset is always worth more than the turd platter of mediocrity.

Let’s assume that this trade was actually available. Why did WC not trade these FIVE picks for the one top 10 pick that Geelong wanted and then trade that for Kelly? Because no club with a top 10 pick wants to turn a turd platter of mediocrity into one valuable asset.

 

[Pulsedriver]

Bad faith? What bad faith? What utter crap.

Wells acting in bad faith is demonstrated by him negotiating with WC despite having no intention of trading Kelly.

You lowballed a contracted player.

Not according to The Age newspaper, who stated: "The reality is if the offer is taken in isolation, and the circumstances detailed above that surround the deal aren't taken into account, picks 20 and 22 are a reasonable return for the 24-year-old midfielder."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-for-geelong-s-tim-kelly-20181016-p509wg.html

The price was set day 1 and WC didn't provide it.

An insane price by design to ensure Kelly was never traded, but giving the impression of trying to trade. (Geelong wanted to be able to tell Kelly they at least tried.)

Instead you twiddled your thumbs and at the 11th hour threw in another R2 pick.. again for one of our best players.

The proof that the Eagles didn't simply wait until the 11th hour is provided in a Melbourne-based newspaper. Link below. You're spouting nonsense.

"The Eagles tried to turn those picks into pick 13 but Adelaide grabbed that off Sydney as part of the Mitch McGovern deal, so they were left with a strong but not a knockout hand."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-for-geelong-s-tim-kelly-20181016-p509wg.html

You guys offered below value, for a contracted player.

Not according to a neutral source: "The reality is if the offer is taken in isolation, and the circumstances detailed above that surround the deal aren't taken into account, picks 20 and 22 are a reasonable return for the 24-year-old midfielder."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-for-geelong-s-tim-kelly-20181016-p509wg.html

Wells had every right to tell you to get stuffed

He did, for Kelly was contracted. In 2019, Kelly isn't contracted, and WC will be able to say likewise to Wells.

but he was there in the room at the 11th hour.

That's some imagination you have there.

Wells is usually one to bend over in trades, so for him to hold his ground tells you about the lowball offer from WC.

It says nothing of the sort. Each trade is considered in isolation, given the circumstances unique to every trade. If Wells is a professional, he wouldn't rationalize that he got he got bent over in the last trade he was involved with, so whomever I deal with next is going to cop similar treatment.

Your rationalization is insane.

You guys were stubborn by not offering what was required since the onus was on YOU, NOT us to come up with a trade.

WC can't give what they don't have, or have anyway of acquiring without Cat fan levels of insanity involved. WC chose to wait till Kelly comes out of contract, and Wells having no leverage to impose unreasonable terms.

Wells is one of the best most fair operators.

Wells asking for a top 10 pick says otherwise, especially when a neutral observer in The Age newspaper even states 20+22 is fair value.

WC offered sub par picks that we did not want.

Sub par is subjective. Wells had the leverage to impose such terms. Not in 2019 though.

If I offer $250k for a house worth $350k and sulk when they don't have over the keys, is the vendor stubburn?

The vendor is stubborn if the house isn't realistically worth $350k. Next time the vendor doesn't get what he desires.

Could not make this sh*t up.

You made s**t up about WC waiting till the 11th hour to trade. So, you not only could make s**t up, you actually did.

Only thing that has changed is he is out of contract

No, what's changed is how WC will deal with Geelong in 2019 compared to 2018, given Wells' stubbornness and act of bad faith, and having no leverage this time.

but a trade STILL needs to occur for him to go to WC with Freo certain to pick him up in the draft.

Not necessary, but more than likely. I don't think any sane club will use a 1st round pick on a guy that not only doesn't want to play for them, but hates them. If you're banking on Freo using a likely top 10 pick to select Kelly out of spite for WC rather than acting pragmatically toward their rebuild, you're going to be disappointed.

Kelly isn't worth a top 10 pick in anyone's book except Geelong fans. I don't think even Wells believes Kelly's worth such. Wells asked for a top 10 to throw WC off the scent in 2018, as he had no intention of trading him this year.

It won't come to that because a trade should occur (R1 + knives depending on your position on the ladder, if you have a pick in the top say 13, I'm sure we'd take it and move on given the contract status but if it's around 20 then you can bet your your little weagles socks that we will ask for more).

I'm sure Geelong would take pick 13 and run in 2019. Geelong had there chance to acquire pick 13 and blew it. Don't expect it'll be offered in 2019.

Care to send the evidence that Geelong rejected 13. Seems more likely WC were too slow to act and let the opportunity slip by them.

"The Eagles tried to turn those picks into pick 13 but Adelaide grabbed that off Sydney as part of the Mitch McGovern deal, so they were left with a strong but not a knockout hand."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-for-geelong-s-tim-kelly-20181016-p509wg.html

Your call of "Seems more likely WC were too slow to act and let the opportunity slip by them" is false.

Geelong no leverage? lol.

What leverage has Geelong got in 2019?

WC have to trade to get him

In 2019, WC can set the terms of the trade wait Geelong out if they don't budge. If Geelong don't budge, Kelly leaves and Geelong get nothing! Please, please Wells, be as stubborn as you were this year in 2019, just for the lols. WC have already shown this year they aren't going to over pay.

and if you think two second rounders will cut it then good luck to you mate! you are going to be pretty disappointed. In reality, WC will cough up a first and depending on where that pick is, probably something else.

Without Geelong having leverage to impose their terms, it's more than likely Geelong fans are going to be the ones left disappointed.

Geelong stubborn after rejecting two speculative picks for a top 5 player at the club, whilst under contract? bahahaha boooooooooooooooooooooo

So says a neutral observer in The Age.

 

[eagles rule]

Well would you look who's turned up to Geelong's pre-season training with the rest of the senior players? Looks a lot like Tim Kelly to me, but that can't be true, I thought he was going to stay in Perth and play in the WAFL according to many of the WCE supporting intellects on this website.

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Looks devastated to me but , oh well yah he’s back ..


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[Matera92]

Doctor Gero , Kelly for a fourth rounder and a packet of Red Rock Deli chips.

Fite me.

 

[Pulsedriver]

A pick as high as 19 is fair value? Your talent evaluation skills are about as good as your insult skills.

My talent evaluation skills are as good the what was reported as reasonable in The Age newspaper. Perhaps it's your perspective that needs a dose of reality.

Finally, please answer these questions

1. When WC offer pick 23 after 2019, and Geelong rightfully reject it as not even close to adequate compensation, then what happens next?

WC can wait Geelong out, as Geelong need a trade to occur unless they lose Kelly for nothing. This forces Geelong to be reasonable and acquiesce to WC's terms.

I bet you are one of those dullards who believe that “he will just nominate again for the draft and we will pick him up for free. Yeah, cop that Geelong for being stubborn and acting in bad faith.” The only 2 established players to have ever done this are a washed up Luke Ball, and a desperate Nick Stevens who only succeeded in being drafted to Carlton where he did not want to play.

The draft is a realistic possibility, as only Freo will take him, and that's only if they're willing to spend a likely top 10 pick on him... which I think they won't.

Do you honestly think that Tim Kelly, the man who missed out in 5 drafts will keen to do that and risk getting drafted by Freo?

Kelly's manager will have the inside scoop as to Freo's intent, as he's good mates with Peter Bell, who now works at Freo.

2. Who is acting in “bad faith”?:
- the club who finally drafted Tim Kelly after he was rejected in the draft 5 times, and then demanded adequate compensation when he threatened to leave after 1 season? Or
- the club who failed to draft him 6 times, then got in his ear about coming home after 1 season only to not get a deal done because they were caught out trying to take advantage of his personal situation by getting him on the cheap?

Neither of your scenarios speak to bad faith. Wells doesn't seem to mind getting dirty and acting in bad faith though. I've explained previously how he did so.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Neither of your scenarios speak to bad faith. Wells doesn't seem to mind getting dirty and acting in bad faith though. I've explained previously how he did so.

You guys are really hurting, huh?

That big meanie Wells

 

[Pulsedriver]

Yeah, I think there's a lot of doubt about your conclusion.

The links clear things up quite well. If the links aren't enough to satisfy you, nothing will. That just makes you beyond reason.

 

[Avalor]

Well would you look who's turned up to Geelong's pre-season training with the rest of the senior players? Looks a lot like Tim Kelly to me, but that can't be true, I thought he was going to stay in Perth and play in the WAFL according to many of the WCE supporting intellects on this website.

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They have even decked him out in blue and gold to make him feel better.

 

[strauchnyy]

Wells acting in bad faith is demonstrated by him negotiating with WC despite having no intention of trading Kelly.

LOL. Rubbish.

You are making stuff up now. How can you say Wells had no intention? Wells said top 10 pick (being the value). WC did not provide top 10 pick. WC offer unders so no trade. This does not mean Wells had no intention to trade, it means WC failed to offer what was required.
To that end, WC failed to offer what was required hence the reason of there being no trade. No bad faith on Wells' behalf.

Not according to The Age newspaper, who stated: "The reality is if the offer is taken in isolation, and the circumstances detailed above that surround the deal aren't taken into account, picks 20 and 22 are a reasonable return for the 24-year-old midfielder."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-for-geelong-s-tim-kelly-20181016-p509wg.html



An insane price by design to ensure Kelly was never traded, but giving the impression of trying to trade. (Geelong wanted to be able to tell Kelly they at least tried.)

You mention 1 guy from the Age. Terry Wallace and Damian Barrett both said he was worth a top 10 pick and even said WC shouldve offered their R1 next year in addition to 20+22.

It was widely accepted that a top 10 or 12 pick (according to Gary Lyon) was fair given he was contracted. Heck, even Montagna had his 2c saying: "Kelly doesn’t become a free agent next year, so the Cats would still have trade power at the end of 2019, should Kelly play a second season with them

“Tim has said he’s happy to stay if that’s the case, I think Geelong hold him to that,” Montagna said.

“Get another really good year out of a star player and then you trade for him at the end of next year.”

Point is to Geelong he was worth a top 10 pick because Geelong set the price, you failed to deliver. Geelong were calling the shots, not WC. You cannot expect us to just hand over gun players for unders and your low ball offer was clearly unders, only that Age journalist and you (as well as all the other delusional WC fans) believe so.

The proof that the Eagles didn't simply wait until the 11th hour is provided in a Melbourne-based newspaper. Link below. You're spouting nonsense.

"The Eagles tried to turn those picks into pick 13 but Adelaide grabbed that off Sydney as part of the Mitch McGovern deal, so they were left with a strong but not a knockout hand."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-for-geelong-s-tim-kelly-20181016-p509wg.html

You're making stuff up again. What a wild imagination you have. Nowhere there does it say Geelong refused 13. You were clearly too late to come to the party, only after an agreement was made between Crows blues and Syd. Perhaps WC were too slow to act. That is on WC, not Geelong.

He did, for Kelly was contracted. In 2019, Kelly isn't contracted, and WC will be able to say likewise to Wells.

True but a trade must still occur. If you don't offer something Geelong finds as sufficient he will stay or go into the draft. Most likely is you offer something sufficient.


It says nothing of the sort. Each trade is considered in isolation, given the circumstances unique to every trade. If Wells is a professional, he wouldn't rationalize that he got he got bent over in the last trade he was involved with, so whomever I deal with next is going to cop similar treatment.

WC can't give what they don't have, or have anyway of acquiring without Cat fan levels of insanity involved. WC chose to wait till Kelly comes out of contract, and Wells having no leverage to impose unreasonable terms.[/quote]

True, but we don't have to accept what you offered. Your self entitlement is insane. WC didn't have the currency to get the deal done, which is why the trade didnt occur. It had nothing to do with anything else. You are trying to create a world where WC are not to blame. Astounding you cant see that.

What leverage has Geelong got in 2019?

In 2019, WC can set the terms of the trade wait Geelong out if they don't budge. If Geelong don't budge, Kelly leaves and Geelong get nothing! Please, please Wells, be as stubborn as you were this year in 2019, just for the lols. WC have already shown this year they aren't going to over pay.

Without Geelong having leverage to impose their terms, it's more than likely Geelong fans are going to be the ones left disappointed.

Less than 2019. Your comprehension is poor as I keep repeating myself. But WC don't have leverage to force a trade for unders. You must pay what Geelong demand for a trade to occur. He is not a FA. OR he goes to Freo. You think you can low ball us and expect us to just take it? Your stupidity is here for all to see.

Prepare to be disappointed.

Point it:

WC offered unders to a contracted player, hence the reason he remains with Geelong. Wells was professional and consistent the whole way through. WC were not smart enough or unable to manufacture the trade.

In 2019 he is out of contract so he either goes to wc in a trade or draft if wc fail to offer something adequate.

You can complain and whinge all you like but you still need to offer something good enough for Geelong to accept. We will see what happens but I expect you will be disappointed.

 

[BigBirdz]

Good job tough guy. Sikk burn bro!!11!

A pick as high as 19 is fair value? Your talent evaluation skills are about as good as your insult skills.

Finally, please answer these questions
1. When WC offer pick 23 after 2019, and Geelong rightfully reject it as not even close to adequate compensation, then what happens next? I bet you are one of those dullards who believe that “he will just nominate again for the draft and we will pick him up for free. Yeah, cop that Geelong for being stubborn and acting in bad faith.” The only 2 established players to have ever done this are a washed up Luke Ball, and a desperate Nick Stevens who only succeeded in being drafted to Carlton where he did not want to play. Do you honestly think that Tim Kelly, the man who missed out in 5 drafts will keen to do that and risk getting drafted by Freo?
2. Who is acting in “bad faith”?:
- the club who finally drafted Tim Kelly after he was rejected in the draft 5 times, and then demanded adequate compensation when he threatened to leave after 1 season? Or
- the club who failed to draft him 6 times, then got in his ear about coming home after 1 season only to not get a deal done because they were caught out trying to take advantage of his personal situation by getting him on the cheap?

He'll nominate the pre season draft with a one million dollar for 1 year contract price. When every other club pass because the price is too high he'll be drafted to westcoast and sign an Extension for 4 years equaling what ever he's actually worth.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Doctor Gero , Kelly for a fourth rounder and a packet of Red Rock Deli chips.

Fite me.

Surprisingly this is one of the more intelligent Eagles fan posts