Welcome Welcome to Hawthorn, Chad Wingard. 200 games! Signed to the end of 2024

[TallyHawk]

AND PICK 16!!!!!!


This club is STUFFED!!!!

Yeah but we eventually got Andrew Moore, well sort of


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[tige19]

Supporters of the club, the inner sanctum will continue to remain staunch I think in their opinion they've made the right decision.

Every time you actually sit and talk amongst fans and even corporates you get to understand the true feelings.. even when I went to Adelaide for round 1 and sat in with all the suits, even chatting with a few ex players who attended, there was disgruntled chatter about the Wingard deal. In reality people just like to gossip which is fine, once Chad gets in his groove the chatter will quiet down.

 

[tige19]

If I were in Chads shoes I would have been stoked to be having a solid preseason til the calf. Was looking every bit what we were expecting from memory.
Then the calf...
Now in the same shoes you would be feeling a little helpless fitting into a system based forward line that quells some of the creative genius that has made the name for him & had consistent injury to hinder any progress.
Chad would be feeling terrible that he hasn’t been able to contribute.

Being eaten by your own should be the farthest thing from his mind but I’m sure that the narrative of a **** trade for Hawthorn is getting back.

The guy is a gun & will win game of football off his own boot as well as being a key piece of the rejuvenation of the list moving forward.

Burton & Dursma v Chad isn’t the result but as a collective for Hawthorn Scrimshaw will be better than Burton & Burton gave us the capital to make the trade for a 2 first rd draft pick player that we wouldn’t have otherwise been able to get.

Calf’s are normally old man injuries, I would hazard a guess that he has never really conditioned his body to the elite standards that others do hence the load causing soft tissues. It’s an interesting subject and one we can only hypothesise on, however I’m sure many high performance specialists would have similar thoughts.

 

[SuperSic]

Calf’s are normally old man injuries, I would hazard a guess that he has never really conditioned his body to the elite standards that others do hence the load causing soft tissues. It’s an interesting subject and one we can only hypothesise on, however I’m sure many high performance specialists would have similar thoughts.

Did you not read the post about 5 posts above based on actual inside information, that exclusively refuted your false claims?!

 

[KermitJagger]

Seems as though hamstring and calf injuries are the curse of the explosive athlete moreso than the athlete with poor preparation. Couldn't imagine Deledio being poor in his attitude towards the game but he's spent the best part of 3 years battling calf issues.

Wingard, Wells, Daniher, Deledio, more recently Howe are all explosive or formerly explosive athletes that have been troubled with calf injuries.

 

[Gralin]

Seems as though hamstring and calf injuries are the curse of the explosive athlete moreso than the athlete with poor preparation. Couldn't imagine Deledio being poor in his attitude towards the game but he's spent the best part of 3 years battling calf issues.

Wingard, Wells, Daniher, Deledio, more recently Howe are all explosive or formerly explosive athletes that have been troubled with calf injuries.

The most common cause of a soft tissue injury is ramping up load too quickly.
People trying to get fit who do too much to soon, someone coming back from an injury doing the same.

You see a lot in preseason and the early parts of the year while bodies are adapting to the heavier work.

It's not the same for everyone and not everyone is as good with their recovery or listening to their body.

Explosive movements under load, can be a higher risk, bending down at pace, kicking at pace etc.

 

[StillAtLarge]

Chad Wingard wants to and unless something untoward happens at training will play this week.
Contrary to popular (albeit very incorrect) opinion... Chad has never been injury prone. Looks after himself very well & from someone who definitely knows better than anyone.... doesn’t take shortcuts in his preparation.

That's all well & good but if someone comes into the season injured then proceeds to get injured again (twice!) I'd say that qualifies as being injury prone, regardless of their durability at a previous club. I myself haven't speculated on his preparation, I'm sure it's fine but I just see the risk/reward factor of playing the rest of the season being too skewed toward the former.

 

[Sicily]

Don't understand the constant comparisons between Chad and Burton/Duursma as we're not dealing with like for like - we have multiple options to fill Burton's role off half back and didn't see him in an alternative role, however, were in desperate need of a match winner with x-factor in the forward line with the unexpected departure of Cyril.

Need to give this time to play out before we all hit the panic button.

 

[A Cut Above]

Where does that perception come from

I'd assume from the agreed-upon fact unfit players are more susceptible to soft tissue injuries.

 

[tige19]

Did you not read the post about 5 posts above based on actual inside information, that exclusively refuted your false claims?!

Na, I did not... Where did I make a claim? Making things up? I said "Hazard a guess", do you need me to break it down for you? Trot on.

 

[KermitJagger]

The most common cause of a soft tissue injury is ramping up load too quickly.
People trying to get fit who do too much to soon, someone coming back from an injury doing the same.

You see a lot in preseason and the early parts of the year while bodies are adapting to the heavier work.

It's not the same for everyone and not everyone is as good with their recovery or listening to their body.

Explosive movements under load, can be a higher risk, bending down at pace, kicking at pace etc.

I mean yeah, overuse is the most common cause of soft tissue injury and the risk of overuse is higher in less trained individuals, but I'd say with a lot of athletes there's also a major element of muscular imbalance and improper movement patterns. These things come to light in athletes who, like you said, perform more explosive movements that come with a higher risk.

 

[Adebisi]

We won’t be seeing Chads best until next season. A pity, as we have probably lost approx 1/7th of his time at the Hawks.
I still have full faith he will be a gun though. People forget, he has crazy talent, exactly what we lack in the squad.

 

[Gralin]

That's all well & good but if someone comes into the season injured then proceeds to get injured again (twice!) I'd say that qualifies as being injury prone, regardless of their durability at a previous club. I myself haven't speculated on his preparation, I'm sure it's fine but I just see the risk/reward factor of playing the rest of the season being too skewed toward the former.

A couple of injuries does not make someone injury prone.
Spangher was injury prone, Schoey is injury prone
Guys that can't get a good run over multiple years I can understand, but a bloke who has missed a quarter of the season?

I'd assume from the agreed-upon fact unfit players are more susceptible to soft tissue injuries.

Studies show that even in elite athletes changing loads too quickly causes issues, you need to give the body time to adapt, and there are limits.

I mean yeah, overuse is the most common cause of soft tissue injury and the risk of overuse is higher in less trained individuals, but I'd say with a lot of athletes there's also a major element of muscular imbalance and improper movement patterns. These things come to light in athletes who, like you said, perform more explosive movements that come with a higher risk.

The risk of real overuse in highly trained athletes is actually higher, they are often working up around the maximum their bodies can handle, doesn't take much to push them over the edge sometimes.
Less trained individuals can quite quickly push themselves into overloading in the short term because it doesn't take much activity to do it when you were doing nothing to begin with

 

[A Cut Above]

Studies show that even in elite athletes changing loads too quickly causes issues, you need to give the body time to adapt, and there are limits.

That makes perfect sense. Of course if an athlete has further to go to reach the required fitness level and is under considerable pressure to reach it quickly, there's incentive to raise those loads as fast as possible. Particularly a danger if the athlete's in a new environment where his physical quirks & capabilities are yet to be fully determined.

 

[Off The Couch]

I'd assume from the agreed-upon fact unfit players are more susceptible to soft tissue injuries.

Or those who return from a previous injury too soon

Considering how unfit he obviously is, it leads you to wonder why he had so little down time at Port. Then again maybe he’s only been lazy since coming to hawthorn

 

[burner1]

Four soft tissue injuries in half a season is a concern for any player - let alone one in his supposed prime.

Only the club will probably know what has gone wrong. I’m hoping it is just bad luck and not related to either his body not able to consistently handle midfield running loads or any issues with his preparation.

I was critical of the trade at the time, and to date has not worked out. Let’s hope chad can find some fitness and form in the 2nd half of the season and next year to prove we got it right - as given state of our list can’t afford too many misses.

 

[MrPremiership]

A lot of speculation, and a perception built of innuendo.

Chad could prepare himself really well for footy and simply be struggling with a new program.

He's not the first recruited player to come in and have injury problems.

 

[Tomohawks]

We aren't going anywhere this year so why not re-build him from scratch with an eye to next year and beyond, mini pre-season with a few games at the back end of the season to better understand how his teammates play. Essentially 4 new recruits next year in Mitch, Cogs, Hill and Wingard with an easier draw. If only we could find a key forward to complement them.

 

[TylerDurden]

Another 1-2 away.

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

I cannot wait for the media to spin this (Chad) like they do Buddy, that by the time he retires he is remembered for all the great things he has done at Hawthorn rather than Port.

45 Goals next season would be a great start.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Another 1-2 away.

Hawthorn hamstrings taking longer than the usual ? It's 28 days since he hurt it this Saturday is it not ? I suppose the season is done so no point rushing him back.

 

[OnceKicked50]

Seems as though hamstring and calf injuries are the curse of the explosive athlete moreso than the athlete with poor preparation. Couldn't imagine Deledio being poor in his attitude towards the game but he's spent the best part of 3 years battling calf issues.

Wingard, Wells, Daniher, Deledio, more recently Howe are all explosive or formerly explosive athletes that have been troubled with calf injuries.

Howe? wtf man?

 

[eldorado]

Howe is explosive in the same way a wet sock is explosive...

 

[Steven Tyler]

Howe? wtf man?

Jeremy Howe?

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[Gralin]

I assume we are talking the high leaping Pies defender Howe