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unfortunately cricket is ruled by self-interest these days, so that's a difficult concept to push.
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Terrible. They've been better at ODI cricket than T20 cricket recently. W27 L48 in the last 5 years and lost to Ireland and Scotland at the last World Cup to be knocked out before the super 12 stage.
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Their best players often choose money or other sports (with money) over playing cricket for the West Indies. They are probably lost forever ad a competitive test "nation". But they're just one, a perennially underachieving one at that, who can't help themselves.
A lot of people go for the romance angle (I.e. their history) as why they need special help, but they don't seem to take any pride in it themselves, why should anyone else bother?
A lot of people go for the romance angle (I.e. their history) as why they need special help, but they don't seem to take any pride in it themselves, why should anyone else bother?
Mr Experience
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India are the ones making all the money off it...
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Not West Indies specific, but I would argue these franchise leagues should have to pay a surcharge to the home cricket board of each foreign player they hire (poach), to ensure international cricket can be funded adequately.
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T20 leagues: ICC mulls hard cap of four overseas players in XI
T20 working group also discusses uniform 10% release fee for boards hosting franchise leagues
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First I've heard of it, would be a good startT20 leagues: ICC mulls hard cap of four overseas players in XI
T20 working group also discusses uniform 10% release fee for boards hosting franchise leagueswww.espncricinfo.com
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You say India would never allow it but they already pay the 10% and have for most of the history of the IPL.
It isn’t a question of pride, it’s a question of economics. They HAVE to make a living like anyone else. And yeah there are other countries that don’t pay their centrally contracted players huge amounts but they can also offer more in their local domestic franchise and even first class systems.
It’s a f**ktonne more complicated than ‘pride’ mate.
They have to play Athanaze. Has done really well in domestic cricket recently. Brathwaite and Chanderpaul have no reason not to succeed at home - I read recently that Brathwaite has actually faced more balls than all but I think 4 players in west indies history which is an amazing stat when you think about it.
Blackwood is ok in the middle order, Athanaze has some ability. I hope they get as much as possible out of Holder and da Silva this series.
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They win at home on dodgy wickets sometimes .
How often do they put out a dodgy wicket in the first test to nick a 1-0 lead and then have the flattest roads in history for the other tests?
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It feels like Braithwaite has been there for years, it's just that finally his got an opening partner that he can share the load with. Too bad it's in the twilight of his career.
Athanaze has been in the sidelines for sometime, keeps getting into the squad, not playing. Hopefully some refresh blood for the future.
Would like to Shai Hope rejoin the Test side. A consistent performer that made the Windies can use to solidify the middle order.
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I agree however I feel it is also partially their board's fault and that their issues are self-inflicted. There are so many talented West Indian players not playing in their side due to issues on their board, I feel like a lot of West Indies players don't care a lot about national pride. Unlike other smaller nations and associates where playing for their country is still the ultimate goal, look at Afghanistan for example all their players are extremely passionate to go and play for their nation unlike Windies players, where I would assume Afghan players wouldn't be paid a hell of a lot.
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Even at domestic level, the Leeward Islands and the Windward Islands are collectives of countries
Another example could be Jofra Archer using Kolpak to play for England over the West Indies.
The British are to blame for all of this
Another example could be Jofra Archer using Kolpak to play for England over the West Indies.
The British are to blame for all of this
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I'm not sure how fix the issue, but other countries such Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe etc have no problem fielding their full strength teams, and would be getting paid just as much or even less by their national boards than WICB are paying their players. I haven't looked fully into it, but guys like Shimron Hetmyer missing the World Cup for missing a flight just seems ridiculous to me.
Jofra Archer didn't need Kolpak - he was already a British citizen.Even at domestic level, the Leeward Islands and the Windward Islands are collectives of countries
Another example could be Jofra Archer using Kolpak to play for England over the West Indies.
The British are to blame for all of this
It’s a fair point but their guys aren’t in nearly as much demand as most of the Windies guys.
Of the Bangladesh regulars Shakib and maybe Liton Das would probably be walk-ups to any franchise league, I am really not sure as decent as they are at ODI level whether the likes of Williams and Ervine from Zimbabwe would be in high demand. Sikanda Raza would be a gun in most leagues I think.
So while I can’t really prove this I suspect that a lot of the time with both those teams, they’re not ‘avoiding’ having their players unavailable because they probably aren’t that likely to feature.
From a BBL perspective how many of them do you think would have been attractive to the Aussie franchises in the last decade? Not a lot.
Meanwhile we’ve had Gayle, Bravo, Pollard, Russell, Pooran, Holder, Roach, Carlos Brathwaite, Andre Fletcher, Keemo Paul, Lendl Simmons etc etc.
Essentially, there are a lot more West Indies players having to make that choice.
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Zimbabwe have heaps of problems fielding their full sides. For the past 20 years (at least) a hell of a lot of their best players have stopped playing for Zimbabwe to play county cricket. See Sean Ervine, Murray Goodwin, Ray Price, Kyle Jarvis, Brendan Taylor, Blessing Muzarabani (for a few years). Even Dion Myers didn't take a national contract so he could study in England.
Just to reaffirm how incorrect this is, as I’m still puzzled as to how you arrived at such a conclusion, against England it was two draws that England dominated in the first two tests, and THEN in the third Kyle mayers ran a train through the England top order and WI won the series. Against Bangladesh who had not long won their first proper away test against NZ, we led 1-0 then belted them in the second test.
South Africa beat us easily.
Against Pakistan we won the first test by a wicket and then lost by 100 runs in the second for a drawn series.
We lost to India comfortably though had their top order in trouble both games
We played two draws with Sri Lanka during Covid
We won the first and second tests against England before that.
Brathwaite’s only 30.
Has a lot of cricket left and he’s actually improving. Has averaged 39.8 in his last 25 tests.
If he could just find maybe one extra attacking area he would be comfortably a mid-40s opener, unfortunately he’s a little bit limited but he has definitely performed a better role for his side than what his overall record probably suggests
