Changes v Brisbane

[Interloperer]

True, something about Atkins over the last two weeks has really irked me though

It's cause he's always in shot, but not close enough to do anything, during replays of weak goals/marks in forward 50 being conceded.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I thought his run and 3 bounces then stop because he had nobody to kick to suggested he was either not carrying or finally over anything he was. I think with JJ being even worse than normal in terms of defensive action, they've used CC as insurance and haven't been able to let him go yet.

The more I think about it the more I agree with left fist that Hampton should be played forward and use his pressure skills there

Wigg can come in and play half back swapping with Laird in middle with Laird to give us a bit more drive and ball winning out of there than we've been getting . Greenwood can come in as well and just compete and tackle

We should be aiming to get Laird , B Crouch and Sloane off the chain and be our ball winners but it's going to take an all round more physical approach from our mids

We've done it before eg Giants at hok last year when we dominated them in contested ball

 

[Scorpus]

Riley O'Brien has shown more up forward this season than Harry Dear.

I'd bring in first year beanpole Himmelberg before Dear

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Riley O'Brien has shown more up forward this season than Harry Dear.

Either way we are too tall and immobile

I'm happy for the forward structure post Gov injury - Otten forward and 2nd ruck and Hampton to increase forward half pressure

Jenkins needs to find a minimum level of competitiveness in sanfl before being recalled

 

[Roovolution]

You've got me thinking. Why not kill two birds with one stone: drop Sauce and make Sloane take the taps. He always liked going third up.
That would really confuse the oppo and tagger.

Crazy lol

 

[Bicks]

I'd bring in first year beanpole Himmelberg before Dear

He's no beanpole...

 

[Elite Crow]

So if your work lost some valued employees and they were willing to pay you x amount to keep you there for x years because they saw some potential in you ... you would turn around and say "actually, you know what, that doesn't seem fair? Half that price and cut the term of the contract in half and tell me where to sign".

No but when I didn't then perform I would expect to be sacked and my contract paid out. I couldn't hide being woe is me, it's not my fault I'm still there.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The more I think about it the more I agree with left fist that Hampton should be played forward and use his pressure skills there

Wigg can come in and play half back swapping with Laird in middle with Laird to give us a bit more drive and ball winning out of there than we've been getting . Greenwood can come in as well and just compete and tackle

We should be aiming to get Laird , B Crouch and Sloane off the chain and be our ball winners but it's going to take an all round more physical approach from our mids

We've done it before eg Giants at hok last year when we dominated them in contested ball

Laird was playing more midfield minutes before Brouch returned. Wouldn't be the worst idea to use Wigg or Milera type across HBF rotations & use both Laird & Smith in midfield rotations.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I think we are immediately better with Menzel Mackay and Jenkins out and Hampton/ Otten to go forward with Greenwood as another body inside that competes

The other temptation is Wigg in to allow Laird and / or Smith more time in
Midfield to give the oppo another player to worry about that Sloane

So maybe

Outs Jenkins Mackay Menzel
Ins Lever Greenwood Wigg ( presuming Knight isn't fit )

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

I'd bring in first year beanpole Himmelberg before Dear

Dear won't make it

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

I think we are immediately better with Menzel Mackay and Jenkins out and Hampton/ Otten to go forward with Greenwood as another body inside that competes

The other temptation is Wigg in to allow Laird and / or Smith more time in
Midfield to give the oppo another player to worry about that Sloane

So maybe

Outs Jenkins Mackay Menzel
Ins Lever Greenwood Wigg ( presuming Knight isn't fit )

I like that but expect Otten out before JJ

 

[Elite Crow]

I thought his run and 3 bounces then stop because he had nobody to kick to suggested he was either not carrying or finally over anything he was. I think with JJ being even worse than normal in terms of defensive action, they've used CC as insurance and haven't been able to let him go yet.

That's one play, how many times did he do that?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I like that but expect Otten out before JJ

Thanks for agreeing and I hope the selectors do

It's a joke to keep selecting a guy that is not playing with the absolute minimum of competitiveness

Everyone in form - JJ > Otto up forward but right now it's the wrong look and creating the wrong result

We must play with a purpose and a statement or we will continue to be bullied and be at risk of being the north melb of last year

 

[Bicks]

That's one play, how many times did he do that?

2017 Season
1 GWS Could have had a day out missed three set shots before getting two goals in the second half. 8
2 Haw Outside wheels a factor the Hawks struggled to contain. One goal, nine tackles and eight inside-50s. 7
3 Port His run in the second term to set up Andy Otten for a goal will be replayed over and over again. 6
4 Ess Eight inside-50’s and a wonderful snap from forty metres out for a goal. 6
5 GCS Floated across half forward, finishing with two goals and two goal assists. 6
6 Rich Didn’t have many disposals but the ones he did were deadly, two goals from three attempts and two goal assists. 6
7 NM Unsighted in first half other than a goal from a down-field free. A bit better after main break but not his best. 4
8 Melb Just couldn’t get himself in the game, tried to use his speed on occasions but run into a wall of Demons defenders. 4

 

[spenze]

I swear if Mackay is still in, I'll be angry but I'll be furious if we bring Thommo in. It'll be like nothing at all was learnt last year, playing injured players and guys like Thommo who can't run, after we got rid of Lyons for being a slow inside mid.

 

[Elite Crow]

2017 Season
1 GWS Could have had a day out missed three set shots before getting two goals in the second half. 8
2 Haw Outside wheels a factor the Hawks struggled to contain. One goal, nine tackles and eight inside-50s. 7
3 Port His run in the second term to set up Andy Otten for a goal will be replayed over and over again. 6
4 Ess Eight inside-50’s and a wonderful snap from forty metres out for a goal. 6
5 GCS Floated across half forward, finishing with two goals and two goal assists. 6
6 Rich Didn’t have many disposals but the ones he did were deadly, two goals from three attempts and two goal assists. 6
7 NM Unsighted in first half other than a goal from a down-field free. A bit better after main break but not his best. 4
8 Melb Just couldn’t get himself in the game, tried to use his speed on occasions but run into a wall of Demons defenders. 4

Not sure of your point Bicks, are you suggesting he is carrying something or not?

 

[Bicks]

Not sure of your point Bicks, are you suggesting he is carrying something or not?

IMHO no he's not carrying an injury judging on last week, just think he has been ordinary like most of the team because both the Roos and Dees just didn't let us get any space or overlap run going to any great degree.

 

[Murray2503]

I like that but expect Otten out before JJ

Both need to go once gov comes back in. Gov along with Betts, Cameron, Knight, Lynch and Walker is a pretty good forward line.

 

[marty36]

Both need to go once gov comes back in. Gov along with Betts, Cameron, Knight, Lynch and Walker is a pretty good forward line.

Not if knights is playing the way he is , it was crap

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

IMHO no he's not carrying an injury judging on last week, just think he has been ordinary like most of the team because both the Roos and Dees just didn't let us get any space or overlap run going to any great degree.

There is no way Cameron is moving unhindered & explains why not only is he not attacking the contest with his usual vigour, but he is also not providing much in the way of his line breaking pace. He's the type who can break through no matter the opposition tactics when fit.

 

[mattymac]

Anyone catch Ch 7 news? Came in half way through but seemed to be beating the Thommo drum

 

[Murray2503]

It wouldn't surprise me if the club brings in Thommo instead of developing a player that will be there after this year. By playing him against a bottom side his inadequacies will be masked and will be used to justify his inclusion for a subsequent week.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Not if knights is playing the way he is , it was crap

Chris is well & truly retired, but Riley has had a very interrupted season, so should return via the sanfl. Better off playing fit & form players like Greenwood, Beech & Wigg. Even Gallucci or Polholke would be a better option.

 

[marty36]

It wouldn't surprise me if the club brings in Thommo instead of developing a player that will be there after this year. By playing him against a bottom side his inadequacies will be masked and will be used to justify his inclusion for a subsequent week.

The logic would be we are getting smashed and being out muscled can't see any kid helping us in that area

 

[relapse]

Had Greenwood not been upgraded I'd agree. But I doubt Thommo gets past him without a 25 touch game where he's named BOG. The week after is looking promising though.

Have you forgotten the infamous Van Berlo inclusion from last year ?

History will repeat itself