Border Gavaskar Trophy, India v Australia, 2nd Test 17-21 Feb, 1430hrs at Delhi

[Borisdog]

Seems like a tactic.

If they do this and Jadeja darts them in at 98kmh and they run past it you won't criticise I assume?

Did you miss the bit about "play each ball on it's merits"?

 

[Borisdog]

His generation's Bevan, prolific talent but never quite got the chance to fully realise it.

I would counter that he got PLENTY of chances.

And was simply too inconsistent.

World beater on his day, but his day wasn't often enough.

 

[corbies]

Did you miss the bit about "play each ball on it's merits"?

They should just simply do this. We've solved batting in India.

 

[BStaff17]

Granted but that 2013 squad was an even weaker iteration and iirc was also incredibly fractured with the whole homework saga. Cringing just thinking about it.

I'm not saying that it's a linear relationship between the number of tour games played and success in India/overseas. You can spend months meticulously preparing and still fall short. The 'hurr durr tough cricket' crowd are going to hate it but it is also important to take player welfare into account and try to balance it with tour demands.

On current evidence though, it may have been beneficial to have at least spent a bit more time over there preparing rather than having the top order play a few Big Bash games, which was a very thinly veiled publicity stunt designed to boost interest in an ailing league.

Losing Mike Hussey before the 2013 series was a major loss.

Which hurt us massively we lost a bedrock in the middle order that was Clarke's partner in crime whenever he got double tons and leadership behind the scenes.

 

[Borisdog]

They should just simply do this. We've solved batting in India.

Or, indeed, anywhere.

It's a foundation at the very least.

 

[Belnakor]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/pat-cummins-flying-home-from-india-tour-due-to-family-illness/news-story/f3f81a3f9f0e1cf4bfa4c398a0b437a5

what a sh**show

Cummins clearly mentally checked out before our 2nd innings. Didn’t even look like it. Must be a bad one.

 

[cats_09]

Given that he's barely got on the field in the last eighteen months and the chances of him playing were pretty slim in the first place it's hard to see why he was there. You'd think he might have been better at home getting fully fit for the Ashes. Just another selection utensil up.

He hasn't played back to back tests since India toured Australia in the summer of 20/21 - he's played 4 tests since that series & never more than 1 in a series

I know that when fit he's an extremely valuable player, but at 32yrs old, does Josh need to have a look at his future and have a discussion with the right people about his future, especially in terms of Test matches?

I know he's ranked in the top 10 bowlers in the ICC rankings for each format - it's 10th for Tests, then 4th for T20s & 2nd in ODIs... But is it maybe time he turns his focus to the shorter formats which may be less taxing on his body

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Makes you wonder why Hazelwood was there in the first place.

The Hazlewood situation in particular really angers me. We've already had ample evidence that the guy is a painfully slow healer and he shouldn't have been allowed to step on a plane until he'd proven his fitness. Neser should've gone as cover.

 

[11kgm]

So Hazelwood and Warner going home

Cummins going home for 3 days

Crisis tour

 

[cats_09]

So Hazelwood and Warner going home

Cummins going home for 3 days

Crisis tour

When was it announced Warner is returning home?

I know the other two, but haven't heard about Warner

 

[Manbearpig77]

What a mess.

Hope Patty's situation isn't too bad.

 

[11kgm]

When was it announced Warner is returning home?

I know the other two, but haven't heard about Warner

Oh the news tonight said he wont play again this series

 

[NSWCROW]

Why'd they *en take Hazelwood at all ?

 

[Joose]

The age profile of the Aussie team of late is bit of a worry.

If you look at what has been our preferred XI of late

Warner 36
Khawaja 36
Marnus 28
Smith 33
Head 29
Green 23
Carey 31
Starc 33
Lyon 35
Cummings 29
Hazelwood 31

Regular backups are Handscomb 31, Neser 32, Boland 33

As I mentioned earlier we have young spinners and quicks coming thru but the batting is a worry

 

[akkaps]

The age profile of the Aussie team of late is bit of a worry.

If you look at what has been our preferred XI of late

Warner 36
Khawaja 36
Marnus 28
Smith 33
Head 29
Green 23
Carey 31
Starc 33
Lyon 35
Cummings 29
Hazelwood 31

Regular backups are Handscomb 31, Neser 32, Boland 33

As I mentioned earlier we have young spinners and quicks coming thru but the batting is a worry

Henry Hunt…..

But they need the experience when they are young. They should not be playing their first test at 26-27.

Point of reference Babar Azam is only 28.

 

[Gough]

The age profile of the Aussie team of late is bit of a worry.

If you look at what has been our preferred XI of late

Warner 36
Khawaja 36
Marnus 28
Smith 33
Head 29
Green 23
Carey 31
Starc 33
Lyon 35
Cummings 29
Hazelwood 31

Regular backups are Handscomb 31, Neser 32, Boland 33

As I mentioned earlier we have young spinners and quicks coming thru but the batting is a worry

This also should have been the mature side capable of giving India a fair shake.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

No one on this list seems young and exciting…

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[Borisdog]

No one on this list seems young and exciting…

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Yeah,

You can keep looking in your cupboard, but when it’s empty, it’s empty.

It will turn given time. Quality talent picks itself really.

Ive been super impressed with Murphy. I hadn’t seen much of him, but genuine quality there.

 

[Joose]

This also should have been the mature side capable of giving India a fair shake.

On paper its an incredible side. Trouble is half of the attack are injured and 1 of the openers seems to have lost his "eye".

 

[Joose]

Yeah,

You can keep looking in your cupboard, but when it’s empty, it’s empty.

It will turn given time. Quality talent picks itself really.

Ive been super impressed with Murphy. I hadn’t seen much of him, but genuine quality there.

Murphy is the best find since Green.

 

[11kgm]

Why'd they *en take Hazelwood at all ?

He needed a holiday? Fancy the curries?

 

[MisterMarcus]

No one on this list seems young and exciting…

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McSweeney probably looks the best of them, in terms of balancing runs, average, consistency and 'youth'.

The selectors would be frustrated that the likes of Hunt, Street, Jewell, etc haven't been banging the door down with mountains of runs.

 

[western royboy]

If you don't like the reverse sweep, then best not to watch the women's world cup. It's mazing the number of players which are attempting it and most are failing at present. Even Ireland, whose line up is basically all amateur, were trying to reverse sweep.

All this discussion re the sweep shot is similar to the discussion of how come nobody plays the hookshot.

Comes down to coaching and philosophy.

I am a level 2 Coach - not that it means a lot but I have been playing for 39 years and coaching for about 25. I am in my early 50’s. I had no formal technical batting coaching. But I grew up when WSC had been unified and ODI Tri Series was in its hey day. My first hero was Kepler Wessels and my first serious bat was a Duncan Fearnley. Kepler got 162 on his test debut and was left handed like myself. I (stupidly) for a time copied his technique which was to hide the bat behind your pad but made it hard to play the ball on leg stump. In any case that didn’t last too long and I began playing formalised cricket which for an 11 year old meant Under 16’s. We trained twice a week having a bat and a bowl in the nets. Because I was a young kid, I batted low and rotated out with the other Kids my age. When you did get a hit at No. 10 or 11, your job was to stay in and allow the older kids to score. Plenty of times we didn’t do anything but field for the game. But you understood that your time would come. I played in a semi final in my first year where I put on a rear guard partnership with our vice captain in a vain run chase after all our “guns” had been removed cheaply. The next year I moved up a few spots and eventually at the age of 14 became captain. I was/am have always been an opener/No.3 bat. I play or thought I played relatively straight. I made my first century at 16 (in a Grand Final) and played in A Grade for my local club from the age of 15 until at the age of 21 when I eventually decided to play in Melbourne due to the fact it was a pain in the arse to drive 3 hrs each way every weekend to play cricket and it meant less time with the cute little girl I was seeing at the time. By a sheer fluke I fell arse backwards into playing first grade in the sub districts and it was here that I got my first technical batting coaching from a very good District First XI player/coach. He wanted me to act as the night watchman and stop gap opener on occasions so I really had to tighten up my defensive technique - which I did with his help. That technique stayed largely the same for many years until I totally rebuilt it after doing my level 2 coaching about 20 years ago. What I learnt at that seminar was incredible, particularly for someone who at that stage had bern intensely involved and lived cricket for 20 years. The key thing being that simplicity was best and if you kept the basics right, not much could go wrong. From that my own coaching took off and I had some very good results as a club coach but more specifically as a technical Batting coach. I started doing a bit of work with rep teams and some work with CV. That all ended fairly abruptly about 10 years ago when I walked into a facility to do a session with a rep team on technique and the preceding coach was instructing the batsman in the net that the next delivery “had to go to fine leg” regardless of where it was pitched. It went against all of my beliefs and was counter productive to what I was trying to do which was effectively retrofit technique to kids with lots of natural ability but limited understanding of the basics (grip, backlift, stance). Greg Chappell had been my coaching guru and when he was running his “Chappell Way” coaching site (prior to coaching India) he sought permission to use some of my writings on his site. A few years later we crossed paths at a CV Seminar and I was horrified to hear him speak, he had walked back all or most of his beliefs to fit in with the changing landscape which featured blokes from a very different view of cricket to me. Rather than sit there, I had a pretty heated discussion with him from the floor. Having said my bit I continued on a bit disconsolate but reassured by some of the comments from other coaches. At the end of the fielding session the Australian Baseball Coach Jon Deeble (son of a Sub District legend) pulled me aside and said “took some nuts to do what you just did and you know..you’re not wrong”.

So a long story but it gives background and context to the way Cricket is now coached. Basic technique is largely ignored. Flaws are ignored, they coach to the strengths which is great for short form cricket, but not long form or TEST cricket. Attack is the new defence, you used to attack based upon having a strong defence.

two final points and I apologise for the length of the post.

The basics of batting haven’t changed in well over 100 years…keep out the good balls and hit the bad balls.

If I had gotten out like Cummins, Carey or even Kuhnemann whilst playing Sub District First XI I doubt I would ever have been selected again.

 

[SAweagle]

Im against poverty. It doesn’t mean I’m going to, or should have to, give away every cent I DONT need, to charity.

Im against domestic violence, mainly caused by alcohol. It doesn’t mean I’m going to stop drinking beers here and there.

Im against overfishing. It doesn’t mean I won’t keep the occasional Murray Cod that I land.

F*en hell let. It. The f*. Go.

Like everyone a guy has views on stuff. What the f*** does it matter to you?

calm down mate jesus christ

 

[western royboy]

His generation's Bevan, prolific talent but never quite got the chance to fully realise it.

Bevan had plenty of opportunities, started like a shot out of a gun in Pakistan but was maligned (perhaps unfairly) as being susceptible to short pitched bowling. In any case he had enough opportunities (even as a left arm chinaman - am I allowed to say that anymore?) to make it but unfortunately never could. An excellent thinker on the game and a pretty genuine bloke.