2019 2nd Ashes Test - Lords 14-18 August 2019

[Kappa]

No reason for England not to slog a quick 50 then declare. We aren’t chasing down 170+ without Smith in under 2 sessions.

It's unlikely, but if we did then England and Joe Root has just thrown the ashes in the bin and will be criticised the rest of their lives for it. Not going to take that risk.

Warner and Khawaja are capable of scoring a run a ball 30-40, Wade can score quickly...

 

[Badesumofu]

They have vision of him getting clobbered and lying on the ground, it's not hard to build a case for it.

And then they have him subsequently passing a concussion test and resuming his innings.

What you’re missing here is that there is no discretion here. In case you feel the urge to back pedal - discretion is something you use when you be cautious. If the doc says he has a concussion then he can’t play any further part in the game. If the doc doesn’t say he has a concussion you can’t sub him.

Ergo it is wrong to suggest that they might just be being cautious. The fact is that he has a concussion. It is exceptionally rare to fully recover from a concussion within 3 days.

 

[Mateyman]

No way Root declares this side of 230 with more than 50 overs left - he doesn't have the cahones

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

So you think England could bowl Australia in a session?

I certainly reckon its realistic. Not probable, but not a remote chance either.

 

[PP34]

It means they'd rather him rest than put him out on the field when they can get a replacement, there's also his arm injury.

Why would he rest if there’s nothing wrong with him? And you think Smith of all people would just accept being made to rest if he’s not concussed? They couldn’t keep him off yesterday despite everything that happened.

He’s concussed. End of story.

 

[onebillsdrive]

I certainly reckon its realistic. Not probable, but not a remote chance either.

Realistic, not probable but not a remote chance.....ok

 

[Browney2006]

No chance this will be anything other than a draw. Absolute best case scenerio for England is if they come out for the next 15-17 overs before drinks and go at 5 an over and get the lead to 250. That leaves 48-50ish overs, pending light etc to get 10 wickets. Even at this attacking mindset after lunch its very unlikely England will run through a team in less than 50 overs.

 

[Richard Pryor]

So you think England could bowl Australia in a session?

Honestly yeah. Without Smith I think this side can get routed, although you'd hope Khawaja, Head and Wade would stick around long enough for the draw.

 

[DaRick]

I certainly reckon its realistic. Not probable, but not a remote chance either.

Given that Langer's sides tend to erode over hours rather than collapse over minutes, and that this wicket isn't really playing like a Day 5 wicket (unless you bowl in the footmarks), it is possible, but not likely.

 

[Kappa]

No chance this will be anything other than a draw. Absolute best case scenerio for England is if they come out for the next 15-17 hours before drinks and go at 5 an over and get the lead to 250. That leaves 48-50ish overs, pending light etc to get 10 wickets. Even at this attacking mindset after lunch its very unlikely England will run through a team in less than 50 overs.

If they go at 5 an over for 15-17 hours they will definitely have over 250...

 

[The King!]

If Root had the cojones, that'd be a turn up for the books.

He's typically not much more inspired than Paine.

Australia would be shaky with a small target i reckon

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

If they go at 5 an over for 15-17 hours they will definitely have over 250...

Over rates haven't declined to that stage yet I guess.

 

[The King!]

CA making smith sound doubtful for the 3rd

 

[DaRick]

Australia would be shaky with a small target i reckon

Shaky, but they'd likely just get bogged down rather than getting out.

 

[BG32]

The Jof hype may get to them and Cardoons blasts a quickie all over lords

 

[Balls In]

Archers post Smith beamer comments presents him as the dumb self absorbed prig I thought he was. Dog.

 

[Kappa]

CA making smith sound doubtful for the 3rd

Whatever happens they won't make a decision until the morning of the 3rd test.

 

[Richard Pryor]

CA making smith sound doubtful for the 3rd

Could make England want to bat out the draw more. Are at an advantage for winning the series against a Smith-less Australia even if they are still 1-0 after this, bit harder if they risk an aggressive declaration and go 2-0.

 

[Browney2006]

If they go at 5 an over for 15-17 hours they will definitely have over 250...

No, no they wont. They are 165 ahead now, 5 an over for 15-17 overs leaves them with 75-85 runs, which gives them 240-250.

 

[Crankitup]

And then they have him subsequently passing a concussion test and resuming his innings.

What you’re missing here is that there is no discretion here. In case you feel the urge to back pedal - discretion is something you use when you be cautious. If the doc says he has a concussion then he can’t play any further part in the game. If the doc doesn’t say he has a concussion you can’t sub him.

Ergo it is wrong to suggest that they might just be being cautious. The fact is that he has a concussion. It is exceptionally rare to fully recover from a concussion within 3 days.

Types of concussions

Concussions are sometimes graded on the severity of their symptoms:

• grade 0: headache and difficulty concentrating
• grade 1: headache, difficulty concentrating, and a dazed feeling for less than a minute
• grade 2: grade 1 symptoms, with a longer period of feeling dazed, possibly accompanied by dizziness, confusion, amnesia, ringing in the ears, and irritability
• grade 3: loss of consciousness for less than a minute
• grade 4: loss of consciousness for longer than a minute

Returning to very limited activities following a grade 0 or 1 concussion may be allowable within a day or two. A grade 2 headache may require a few days of rest. A grade 3 or 4 concussion will mean at least a few weeks of recovery time.

https://www.healthline.com/health/how-long-do-concussions-last#types-of-concussions

I'm not his doctor but I think based on the info we have so far, Smith's concussion is either grade 2 or 1. I think we'll see him in the 3rd Test.

 

[SSwans2011]

CA making smith sound doubtful for the 3rd

Looks like f all rain forecast too. s**t.

 

[Richard Pryor]

This Nasser banter on Warne is great, calling him out on fanboying over Taylor and Border and whinging about Gilchrist and Ponting all the time.

 

[to1994]

If Smith is out of the third we're in big trouble. That said from a pure cricket stand point losing the Third Test wouldn't be so bad, there hasn't really been a genuine close Ashes for a long time and heading into the fourth Test 1-1 would be great for that.

If Marnus was to play and hit runs it would also make a potential top order reshuffle interesting if Bancroft continues to struggle. Can't drop Head or Wade so maybe they'd look at Khawaja opening and Marnus to 3.

 

[Browney2006]

Id say Smith will have a decent headache for the next 3-4 days but will pull through all tests etc for the 3rd test. He wasnt knocked out so fingers crossed it wont be too serious. Id be suprised if he doesnt play the 3rd test.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

No, no they wont. They are 165 ahead now, 5 an over for 15-17 overs leaves them with 75-85 runs, which gives them 240-250.

We aren't scoring at 4-5 an over. It's an easy enough pitch to survive but scoring quick is impossible. Take the draw, move on.