Adrian Dodoro: Football’s Biggest Fraud IMO

[Metalcrusher]

Stop talking.

You've walked yourself in to a position, and true to BigFooty form would rather try and deny the existence of gravity than admit that maybe your initial thought wasn't right.

Essendon's ruck stocks are fine. In fact, I'd even say they're very good.

Sam Draper is older and more physically developed than Tim English and Brodie Grundy were when they assumed #1 ruck duties, and he has, by near universal acclaim, the talent to be an elite level ruckman.

Andrew Phillips is the same level of ruck that every team has - a good VFL ruck who can fill at AFL level.

And then Nick Bryan, fu** me shut up you ignorant fool, you clearly know nothing about him.

Draper is by far one of the least of Essendons issues. Kid (If he keeps developing and stays injury free) will be a top 5 ruckman in due course.

 

[Jade]

Draper is by far one of the least of Essendons issues. Kid (If he keeps developing and stays injury free) will be a top 5 ruckman in due course.

The fact he's suffered his second serious injury in three years sucks arse (as a Blues fan you'd be all too familiar with that pain...), but anyone questioning his appropriateness to lead our ruck division is a stone cold fool.

 

[Metalcrusher]

The fact he's suffered his second serious injury in three years sucks arse (as a Blues fan you'd be all too familiar with that pain...), but anyone questioning his appropriateness to lead our ruck division is a stone cold fool.

I agree, and yes I can bloody empathise about shitting injuries cruelling lists.

 

[Atomboy]

Draper out for 8 weeks can pencil Essendon in for a bottom 4 now no depth whatsoever in there list it’s beyond a joke how dodoro still has a job

His job is to “win” trade week every year which he consistently does.

Not sure you can blame him for everything going wrong at the Bombers.

On another note, watching Rutten coach from the bench against Port was like watching George Bush Jr when he was told planes had hit the WTC. Just seemed too stunned to do anything.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

His job is to “win” trade week every year which he consistently does.

Not sure you can blame him for everything going wrong at the Bombers.

On another note, watching Rutten coach from the bench against Port was like watching George Bush Jr when he was told planes had hit the WTC. Just seemed too stunned to do anything.

100% agree re rutten looks like a deer in headlights completely out of his depth not sure if you’re serious about dodoro winning trade week and know his not responsible for everything but he is supposed to be responsible for there list

 

[Milanista28]

His job is to “win” trade week every year which he consistently does.

Not sure you can blame him for everything going wrong at the Bombers.

On another note, watching Rutten coach from the bench against Port was like watching George Bush Jr when he was told planes had hit the WTC. Just seemed too stunned to do anything.

100% agree re rutten looks like a deer in headlights completely out of his depth not sure if you’re serious about dodoro winning trade week and know his not responsible for everything but he is supposed to be responsible for there list

Do either of you have #benchcam or are you basing this off the 45-60 seconds they show during the game?

 

[Atomboy]

Do either of you have #benchcam or are you basing this off the 45-60 seconds they show during the game?

I base it on his post match press conference where he said:

"Port Power are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. Port never stop thinking about new ways to defeat our club and our people, and neither do we."

 

[Yoda_]

Wright couldn’t even get a game for the suns and buy all reports is on a bad contract , Draper has potential but shouldn’t be shouldering the load at this stage other two are good ordinary at best

Weird flex considering your club offered a 0 gamer at the time 4 years at reasonable money

Really weird


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[Milanista28]

Wright couldn’t even get a game for the suns and buy all reports is on a bad contract , Draper has potential but shouldn’t be shouldering the load at this stage other two are good ordinary at best

Didn't you just lose a game because Gawn slapped your 3rd string ruck all over Marvel?

 

[HTPunter]

Devon Smith has fallen into a heap - genuine shittruck for a while now. And yes, as a North fan, I'm well aware of what one looks like.

His best moment all year came when the Hawks player threw it and Smith was 3 Essendon players deep, 10 meters off the contest, not impacting it at all. He threw his arms up the most and carried on so he got the kick (which, to his credit, he nailed), but it was his 2 teammates who earned the free. It's pretty much the only time you get a glimpse of him these days - in the background appealing for a free or whinging to an umpire about an obvious free against.

He has been generally substandard for 3 years - injuries in 2019 cruelled him and he had some more prevalent games at the backend of 2020 in losses, but where does he go to next?

I don't see him as having the tricks as a forward flanker. He's not a crumber, he's not a lead up/marking forward, he gets ok tackle counts when playing as a mid but I don't see him as a truly successful pressure forward (would track to be just another standard 13 disposal, 0.4 goal, 2-3 tackles a game run behind the opposition and shout and jump a lot "pressure forward" which are a blight on the competition).

I don't understand how he lost his spot in the midfield. Good enough defensively, solid B&F playing that role. But with Shiel, Merrett, McGrath, Caldwell, Parish obviously ahead, does he break into it when there is full fitness? If Langford, Zaharakis, Perkins or even the likes of Heppell, Cutler, Hind, or Ham get elevated ahead of him, I'd honestly think he has to be trade bait or VFL material by the end of the year.

Saad, Stringer, Smith looked like such a big trade period a couple of years back...no media personality will mention it though because they were the ones that hyped Dodo up for it. Obviously can't foresee injuries but it basically hasn't worked out as expected.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Devon Smith has fallen into a heap - genuine shittruck for a while now. And yes, as a North fan, I'm well aware of what one looks like.

His best moment all year came when the Hawks player threw it and Smith was 3 Essendon players deep, 10 meters off the contest, not impacting it at all. He threw his arms up the most and carried on so he got the kick (which, to his credit, he nailed), but it was his 2 teammates who earned the free. It's pretty much the only time you get a glimpse of him these days - in the background appealing for a free or whinging to an umpire about an obvious free against.

He has been generally substandard for 3 years - injuries in 2019 cruelled him and he had some more prevalent games at the backend of 2020 in losses, but where does he go to next?

I don't see him as having the tricks as a forward flanker. He's not a crumber, he's not a lead up/marking forward, he gets ok tackle counts when playing as a mid but I don't see him as a truly successful pressure forward (would track to be just another standard 13 disposal, 0.4 goal, 2-3 tackles a game run behind the opposition and shout and jump a lot "pressure forward" which are a blight on the competition).

I don't understand how he lost his spot in the midfield. Good enough defensively, solid B&F playing that role. But with Shiel, Merrett, McGrath, Caldwell, Parish obviously ahead, does he break into it when there is full fitness? If Langford, Zaharakis, Perkins or even the likes of Heppell, Cutler, Hind, or Ham get elevated ahead of him, I'd honestly think he has to be trade bait or VFL material by the end of the year.

Saad, Stringer, Smith looked like such a big trade period a couple of years back...no media personality will mention it though because they were the ones that hyped Dodo up for it. Obviously can't foresee injuries but it basically hasn't worked out as expected.

Even still all those trades were good value. Only cost us a first and second. 12 (Bonar) for Smith, 24 and future second. Stringer for 2nds and Saad for a single second. So Aiden Bonar essentially got us Smith + Stringer and Saad got us Nik Cox. The Shiel trade was the fu** up. Was only ever worth a single top ten pick.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Do either of you have #benchcam or are you basing this off the 45-60 seconds they show during the game?

Wor

Weird flex considering your club offered a 0 gamer at the time 4 years at reasonable money

Really weird


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i didn’t say a bad word about Draper obviously has potential that’s why we were chasing him would have been a good second fiddle for marshal it’s your ruck back up I was talking about

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Didn't you just lose a game because Gawn slapped your 3rd string ruck all over Marvel?

Yes 3rd string ruckman he did due to injuries our first and second choice ruck would be as good as any in the comp and a lot better then Essendons that’s foreshore

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Even still all those trades were good value. Only cost us a first and second. 12 (Bonar) for Smith, 24 and future second. Stringer for 2nds and Saad for a single second. So Aiden Bonar essentially got us Smith + Stringer and Saad got us Nik Cox. The Shiel trade was the fu** up. Was only ever worth a single top ten pick.

In hindsight were your list is currently positioned the much smarter move would have been to take all them picks to the draft instead of trading none of the players brought in will be in your next finals team

 

[owen87]

Yes 3rd string ruckman he did due to injuries our first and second choice ruck would be as good as any in the comp and a lot better then Essendons that’s foreshore

lel.

Just stop.

As usual your insane levels of hatred for a club administrator you've never met has absolutely blinded you to any form of logical criticism.

You dive in to defend St Kilda having to SSP draft a rookie ruckman because the two on your list are injured, whilst having a go at Essendon for having three on the list?

 

[RAPPA]

His job is to “win” trade week every year which he consistently does.

Not sure you can blame him for everything going wrong at the Bombers.

On another note, watching Rutten coach from the bench against Port was like watching George Bush Jr when he was told planes had hit the WTC. Just seemed too stunned to do anything.

He "wins' trade week every year just like SOS thought he won trade week when picking up the GWS bargain buys

 

[Tasmanian saint]

lel.

Just stop.

As usual your insane levels of hatred for a club administrator you've never met has absolutely blinded you to any form of logical criticism.

You dive in to defend St Kilda having to SSP draft a rookie ruckman because the two on your list are injured, whilst having a go at Essendon for having three on the list?

Just stop lol you can not take any criticism whatsoever of your club with out getting defensive . I don’t have anything personal against dodoro I like a lot of people just find it unbelievable that he has stayed in his position so long with out success it’s unheard of really . As for st kilda rucks you pick up the delisted and state league ones for the emergencys rare case that you’re first two go down we will have our first two back over the next month the difference between that and Essendon is that you have one good but young and inexperienced ruck in Draper then three others that are average at best like I said I will be disappointed if we can’t beat Essendon buy 10 goals this week !

 

[owen87]

Just stop lol you can not take any criticism whatsoever of your club with out getting defensive . I don’t have anything personal against dodoro I like a lot of people just find it unbelievable that he has stayed in his position so long with out success it’s unheard of really . As for st kilda rucks you pick up the delisted and state league ones for the emergencys rare case that you’re first two go down we will have our first two back over the next month the difference between that and Essendon is that you have one good but young and inexperienced ruck in Draper then three others that are average at best like I said I will be disappointed if we can’t beat Essendon buy 10 goals this week !

Your posting on anything peripherally related to Essendon leads to you bringing up Dodoro. You're obsessed.

If criticism is reasonable and logical, i'll be on-board.

Criticising a club for carrying three ruckmen is neither reasonable or logical though. Try again.

We've got 2 developing ruckmen, one of whom was offered big money before having played a game by St Kilda. Then a journeyman in Philips who would be on par with most clubs back-up options.

Maybe St Kilda should have planned for having two ruckmen go down injured by having three AFL ruckmen on the list so they didn't to rely on a first year rookie to hold down their finals push. Poor planning. Delist your list manager.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

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Your posting on anything peripherally related to Essendon leads to you bringing up Dodoro. You're obsessed.

If criticism is reasonable and logical, i'll be on-board.

Criticising a club for carrying three ruckmen is neither reasonable or logical though. Try again.

We've got 2 developing ruckmen, one of whom was offered big money before having played a game by St Kilda. Then a journeyman in Philips who would be on par with most clubs back-up options.

Maybe St Kilda should have planned for having two ruckmen go down injured by having three AFL ruckmen on the list so they didn't to rely on a first year rookie to hold down their finals push. Poor planning. Delist your list manager.

So on a thread that’s actually about Adrian dodoro and has his name in the title you think it’s strange that his name gets brought up regularly talk about having a chip on your shoulder

 

[owen87]

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So on a thread that’s actually about Adrian dodoro and has his name in the title you think it’s strange that his name gets brought up regularly talk about having a chip on your shoulder

No, I find it strange that you inevitably pop up in most Essendon related threads bringing up Dodoro's name with nonsensical criticisms.

"WHY DID DODORO NOT HAVE ENOUGH RUCKMEN ON THE LIST"

"We have 3."

"WHY AREN'T THEY ALL ELITE THOUGH"

"No AFL club has 3 elite ruckmen on the list"

"BUT...BUT...DODORO MUST HAVE RUINED IT"

"St Kilda had to draft a rookie ruckman because theirs got injured and they only had two on the list."

"THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT"

For a bloke that's been around so long, and made so many actual mistakes, you seem to latch on to whatever the most inaccurate and illogical argument is. If he screwed your wife it would make a lot more sense.

 

[citizen-erased]

No, I find it strange that you inevitably pop up in most Essendon related threads bringing up Dodoro's name with nonsensical criticisms.

"WHY DID DODORO NOT HAVE ENOUGH RUCKMEN ON THE LIST"

"We have 3."

"WHY AREN'T THEY ALL ELITE THOUGH"

"No AFL club has 3 elite ruckmen on the list"

"BUT...BUT...DODORO MUST HAVE RUINED IT"

"St Kilda had to draft a rookie ruckman because theirs got injured and they only had two on the list."

"THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT"

For a bloke that's been around so long, and made so many actual mistakes, you seem to latch on to whatever the most inaccurate and illogical argument is. If he screwed your wife it would make a lot more sense.

i think we paid Carlton more for Phillips than they paid for Pittonet
We replaced an AA ruckman with a rotating door of slow back up options (Berger, Giles, Clarke)
In 20+ years we've recruited 3 decent rucks....2 were lucky breaks from the rookie draft (Draper & TBC)

see, not that hard to find legit criticisms

Admittedly, carrying an 8 gamer, 0 gamer and phillips into 2021 was a bit silly.
i do wonder if his job security gets in the way of his performance

Some of our re-drafting (Gleeson, Clarke, Steinberg, Smack) vs. trialling fresh blood has me scratching my head
Ginnivan or Treacy, Maher/Callow - both could have been handy over Gleeson and Clarke.

 

[PenAndPaperJosh]

No, I find it strange that you inevitably pop up in most Essendon related threads bringing up Dodoro's name with nonsensical criticisms.

"WHY DID DODORO NOT HAVE ENOUGH RUCKMEN ON THE LIST"

"We have 3."

"WHY AREN'T THEY ALL ELITE THOUGH"

"No AFL club has 3 elite ruckmen on the list"

"BUT...BUT...DODORO MUST HAVE RUINED IT"

"St Kilda had to draft a rookie ruckman because theirs got injured and they only had two on the list."

"THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT"

For a bloke that's been around so long, and made so many actual mistakes, you seem to latch on to whatever the most inaccurate and illogical argument is. If he screwed your wife it would make a lot more sense.

You went in with an 8 gamer, Phillips and a rookie. That's not an adequate ruck situation.

 

[owen87]

You went in with an 8 gamer, Phillips and a rookie. That's not an adequate ruck situation.

How is it not? For a team that's on the rebuild path, we've got a highly rated young guy in Draper who was offered a 4 year deal at another club, and showed good signs. A seasoned body in Phillips, and a rookie in Bryan. Our ruck stocks were never going to be designed to win a premiership this year.

Exactly how many ruckmen should be on a list?

 

[citizen-erased]

How is it not? For a team that's on the rebuild path, we've got a highly rated young guy in Draper who was offered a 4 year deal at another club, and showed good signs. A seasoned body in Phillips, and a rookie in Bryan. Our ruck stocks were never going to be designed to win a premiership this year.

Exactly how many ruckmen should be on a list?

i think we needed another ahead of Phillips, behind Draper.
Stef Martin would have been nice.

 

[owen87]

i think we needed another ahead of Phillips, behind Draper.
Stef Martin would have been nice.

Stef was about the only ready to go one available I think, and it makes a lot more sense for him to be at the Bulldogs.

I think people forget how few genuine AFL standard ruckmen are rolling around, and why the ones who are borderline end up spending a decade on AFL lists e.g. Jonathan Giles. We were always going to run with Draper at #1 this year, which meant anyone moving would be doing so knowing they're not even guaranteed a game.