Albanese - how long?

[JBMAN]

He finds it harder to wriggle out because he's not as slimy as propeller head.

If he had done his homework he would know the answers asked of him. He is a dud.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

My year 12 Oz History teacher was always on about the wobblys. Would be enough to get him sacked from a flash private school these days.

They s**t me because in the 80s and 90s they hijacked protests purely to have a punch on.

A lot of good causes got smeared with their crap

 

[Hojuman]

Exactly how does this plan get the Govt's hands on your supa?

" Labor don't like our housing policy because it takes money out of union controlled superannuation funds."

Scott Morrison.

 

[Gough]

They s**t me because in the 80s and 90s they hijacked protests purely to have a punch on.

A lot of good causes got smeared with their crap

We still catch up and what I love about him is he's unrequited.

 

[Donakebab]

If he had done his homework he would know the answers asked of him. He is a dud.

I don't accept the premise of this response.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Who are these hard working people you refer to? I am thinking of the people I know - widowed mum supporting two teenage children doubt she would have more than $130K in super, currently renting; male friend mid 20's out of his apprentice and can see himself living at home for a few more years; Father a self employed painter with 3 children under 5 wife not working - renting; Couple in the 40's no children but working part time etc etc.

Plenty more scenarios, terrible idea as who is to say if they get a house, when they are ready to sell value would be the same as income on super. Further, who knows what the retirement age will be when they get older?

So many flaws in this. Just another way for the comfortable to get richer.

The hardworking people that have jobs but are homeless because their rental they've been living in for the past 3, 5 or 10 years or whatever, has been sold?

There are 100 people going to each open for inspections and quietly bidding rental prices up and / or paying 12 months in advance. People with young children are down the pecking order for getting a rental, because kids damage things.

These people have never missed a rent payment but they're just don't have enough extra cash to get that 20% deposit together (not for 10 or 20 years anyway) for a $500,000 first home, which is just over $100,000 for a first home buyer. Not everyone has family to help them out, whether that be with cash for the deposit, to go guarantor for the deposit by putting their home up as collateral or by letting them move in for an extended period rent free until they can put the deposit together.

Maybe a person in a regional area was only a few thousand short of putting that 20% deposit together and then COVID hit, their hours were cut back and local prices surged 50%+.

There's a hundred other scenarios apart from yours.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

They were discussing the policy on NewsRadio this morning.

One journo said they actually have been trying to find people who actually support the policy. So far both economists and even punters are all either questioning its value, or saying its outright useless.

Outside of NewsRadio a lot of punters like it.

I was listening to early AM yesterday and they were asking young people in western Sydney, each person they asked were in favour of it. Most economists I'm seeing opinions from now are also supporting it. I won't include the obvious vested interests in real estate and builders, nor Laborites who will talk it down just because it's come from the LNP.

Funnily enough, it is the one policy that has swung both my wife and my votes for the election now, we'll vote purely from self interest and nothing less. We're in the market to buy again and we don't want anything that could potentially inflate prices even more (even though this proposal isn't due to kick in until the end of the next financial year), particularly with interest rates kicking up.

Labor it is for both of us despite Albo being an absolute dud. He'll be the figure head, but who's going to be giving him his orders?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Outside of NewsRadio a lot of punters like it.

I was listening to early AM yesterday and they were asking young people in western Sydney, each person they asked were in favour of it. Most economists I'm seeing opinions from now are also supporting it. I won't include the obvious vested interests in real estate and builders, nor Laborites who will talk it down just because it's come from the LNP.

Funnily enough, it is the one policy that has swung both my wife and my votes for the election now, we'll vote purely from self interest and nothing less. We're in the market to buy again and we don't want anything that could potentially inflate prices even more (even though this proposal isn't due to kick in until the end of the next financial year), particularly with interest rates kicking up.

Labor it is for both of us despite Albo being an absolute dud. He'll be the figure head, but who's going to be giving him his orders?

Economists are not supporting it. There is a reason the liberal cabinet opposed this thing in 2017, it's bad policy.

It raises prices, makes it HARDER, for first home buyers to enter the market, AND it depletes the super funds of those that do.

The only economists supporting it are the ones sky News is finding to validate the Scomo is God position.

Politics aside, this is a policy that does not achieve its intended aim. That's the definition of bad policy

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Said in November they needed to install Marles with Tanya as deputy.
Or Jimmy with Tanya.
Even if alp win I'd prefer albo as an attack dog rather than leader.

Marles is no good either, he's like Rick Arden. A face with a smooth voice and not much else.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Economists are not supporting it. There is a reason the liberal cabinet opposed this thing in 2017, it's bad policy.

It raises prices, makes it HARDER, for first home buyers to enter the market, AND it depletes the super funds of those that do.

The only economists supporting it are the ones sky News is finding to validate the Scomo is God position.

Politics aside, this is a policy that does not achieve its intended aim. That's the definition of bad policy

ok. I'll take your word for it.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

ok. I'll take your word for it.

Okay, you tell me how it will not raise property prices, especially for small dwellings.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Okay, you tell me how it will not raise property prices, especially for small dwellings.

I never said it wouldn't raise prices, if you bothered to read my post properly, I said that both my wife and I will be voting Labor because we don't want this policy lifting house prices as we are in the market.

But just because we don't want it, it doesn't mean other won't. We're not arrogant enough to think we know better than everyone else. As i said, every single young person that the ABC's, AM program interviewed about it for yesterdays program liked the idea.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

I was listening to early AM yesterday and they were asking young people in western Sydney, each person they asked were in favour of it. Most economists I'm seeing opinions from now are also supporting it. I won't include the obvious vested interests in real estate and builders, nor Laborites who will talk it down just because it's come from the LNP.

Any economist supporting the policy should hand back their degree.

Unless they are supporting it because they want prices going up.

 

[Gralin]

Can someone please tell me why Labor has the Liberal Democrats and Derryn Hinch on their Victorian Senate HTV card, but not the Victorian Socialists, the most pro-worker party in the country?

Because they have more in common with right winger capitalists than socialists

I don't know this mob, but if they are mates of Int Socialists I would not be putting them on my ballot

They have links to Socialist Alliance and Socialist Alternative
There candidates are a bit of mixed bag depending on where you sit on the left

Speaking for myself, reason have gone backwards this election.

Their policies are the kind of stuff you normally expect from a random Indi (and I'm someone who 2 months ago planned to vote 2 for reason - their candidate for Higgins basically talked me out of supporting them)

Reason are pretty centrist, they've grown by taking on candidates that have pulled them into the middle so they've got some policy conflict

But they're still way better than Hynch or Lib Dems

Lib Dems especially are nazi adjacent *ers who vote for government authority (when its carcarel) while saying they do the opposite, they made their own doco about marching for freedom which was marching with antivaxxers and nazis and unlike the regular plebs they knew who they were marching with

 

[Brad Goodman]

Yeah any decent person would be avoiding Lib Dems like the plague. They are the Sky News presenters to UAP and PHON's Sky News viewers.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Because they have more in common with right winger capitalists than socialists



They have links to Socialist Alliance and Socialist Alternative
There candidates are a bit of mixed bag depending on where you sit on the left

Reason are pretty centrist, they've grown by taking on candidates that have pulled them into the middle so they've got some policy conflict

But they're still way better than Hynch or Lib Dems

Lib Dems especially are nazi adjacent duckers who vote for government authority (when its carcarel) while saying they do the opposite, they made their own doco about marching for freedom which was marching with antivaxxers and nazis and unlike the regular plebs they knew who they were marching with

i had a mate who was actively involved in the former Secular Party, so ive always had sympathies towards reason. This year their candidate for my area talks like a mix of a libertarian and an antivaxxer, so his skew on their policies is obv colouring my perceptions of them.

Its one thing that sucks for minor parties, their people are their marketing - and if you get nutters it kills you (as happened with the Australian Democrats)

 

[FRUMPY]

If/when Albanese gets the gig as Prime Minister, does he last the full term? If not, how long before the oust one of their own again?

 

[Bushdid911]

If/when Albanese gets the gig as Prime Minister, does he last the full term? If not, how long before the oust one of their own again?

Both Labor and Liberal changed the rules around ousting sitting PMs. That's why Morrison has been safe this whole time.

 

[FRUMPY]

Both Labor and Liberal changed the rules around ousting sitting PMs. That's why Morrison has been safe this whole time.

there you go, did not know that (and makes sense re morrison)

 

[Johnny Bananas]

i had a mate who was actively involved in the former Secular Party, so ive always had sympathies towards reason. This year their candidate for my area talks like a mix of a libertarian and an antivaxxer, so his skew on their policies is obv colouring my perceptions of them.

Its one thing that sucks for minor parties, their people are their marketing - and if you get nutters it kills you (as happened with the Australian Democrats)

On the subject of the Secular Party, their successor Fusion are also not on Labor's Victorian Senate HTV.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

On the subject of the Secular Party, their successor Fusion are also not on Labor's Victorian Senate HTV.

apparently secular has basically imploded since the rebrand (no idea whats gone on, my mate also bugged out - get the vibe it was a change of leadership, but im just going off the vibe)

 

[Maggie5]

" Labor don't like our housing policy because it takes money out of union controlled superannuation funds."

Scott Morrison.

They never did like Superannuation. Surprised they don't know super funds also consist of Banks, Insurance Companies. Are they all bad or just the union controlled ones.

Why do they try to putdown things that help all levels of society? They have tried workers rights, Medicare and now Super.

 

[Hojuman]

They never did like Superannuation. Surprised they don't know super funds also consist of Banks, Insurance Companies. Are they all bad or just the union controlled ones.

Why do they try to putdown things that help all levels of society? They have tried workers rights, Medicare and now Super.

Well crooks are always after " other " people's money.

 

[Brad Goodman]

They never did like Superannuation. Surprised they don't know super funds also consist of Banks, Insurance Companies. Are they all bad or just the union controlled ones.

Why do they try to putdown things that help all levels of society? They have tried workers rights, Medicare and now Super.

The industry funds they are trying to kill have the lion's share of people who would potentially take advantage of this scheme were it to eventuate.

They would need to change their whole portfolio structure and invest in more higher-liquidity/lower-return assets than they currently do.

Retails funds aren't as much at threat.

 

[Millky95]

Both Labor and Liberal changed the rules around ousting sitting PMs. That's why Morrison has been safe this whole time.

It is the only thing Morrison has done since becoming PM