Carlton

[bluekidjoe]

Terms like 'hacks' and what not doesn't really hurt anymore. A decade of hell and never seeing my team do well, since I started barracking quite intently as a young teen, has unfortunately left me in a state where I just wait for that point in the season where it falls apart. This season it was a little later so I was more so excited.

Next year we might push harder and a spot in the 4 and maybe make a prelim. Regardless, I'm happy we're getting there. And for now keep saying what you like, you're right because your opinion can't be wrong, however just know, it ain't gonna change mine.

 

[blueblooded]

Carlton are best described as a bunch of hacks, with a few number 1 draft picks + C.Judd and a very soft underbelly.

Nothing would give me more joy than to come out on the weekend and wipe the smugness off every derelict Collingwood supporters face including yours! Most arrogant bunch of w***ers ever permeated on this earth....and dumb!

What i'd like to happen is for Carlton to isolate Garlett in the square on Toovey and lets see how flipping good he really is...even better Leon Davis and watch him defend!

The way pies fans are walking around these days its as if their team is the greates to ever pull on a jumper in the history of any sport anywhere in the world, i'd love to see Collingwood go into this game without Cloke and Tarrant, play Keefe at FB, Brown at FF, then it'd be an even contest...i'd tip Carlton in that instance...

What i also would like to see happen is for us to hold onto 4th spot somehow over the next 7 weeks....have Waite and Jamison back into the side, Hendo to CHB, Waite to FF with Kruezer running into form...and knock off Collingwood first week of the finals....that is my next wish....

then beat them by 1pt in a Grand Final...it would be Karma!

Blues best football is hot hot hot and i'd tip us to beat anybody at Full strength in September on the MCG anybody...including Collingwood...

 

[E Shed]

Carlton remind a bit of us last year. We had a combo that suddenly clicked with Mundy & Barlow doing the heavy lifting, class outside with Hill, Fyfe & Morabito, great defensive forwards in Mayne, Ballantyne, DeBoer a settled defense with Taz, McPharlin, Grover, Broughton, Suban, Hayden, Ibbotson and cameos from the likes of Silvagni, Roberton, McPhee, and of course Pav & Sandi.
Once a few pieces of the puzzle got taken out by injury we simply had no one in the shed that could fit that gap and we juggled and juggled before falling right away.
Carlton's best 22 is almost as good as anyone but take any 3 or 4 of the puzzle away and the whole comes back to the pack.
They will be very good next year if they have luck with injury. The young tall they drafted with the booming kick looks a find, Lucas can play. Plenty to work with.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Carlton are best described as a bunch of hacks, with a few number 1 draft picks + C.Judd and a very soft underbelly.

They have a number of quality small/medium sized players but even at full strength they only have 1 good KPP, 2 if you include Kreuzer. Gibbs is also extremely soft and should've been dropped for it years ago but they didn't have the balls to send the message.

 

[Blue1980]

They have a number of quality small/medium sized players but even at full strength they only have 1 good KPP, 2 if you include Kreuzer. Gibbs is also extremely soft and should've been dropped for it years ago but they didn't have the balls to send the message.

We have lost 2 out of 3 and suddenly our list is crap.

Need more KPP depth, which is why we recruited 3 of them in the draft last year. I think Jamison and Waite count as 2 very good KPP players, then we get to the stage of if's/maybe's, we know Bower can play when fit and Henderson is developing.

If we go with the same argument, how many quality KPP's to Geelong have? How many top line midfielders do West Coast have? How many quality defenders or ruckmen do Hawthorn have?

Every club has weaknesses of some kind, bar Collingwood really. This basically guarantees every other side is vulnerable to troughs during the year.

 

[laminex]

Definitely rate Hurley above Pears. Pears isn't as good one on one.

Not every player has everything, Pears and Hooker make a good back line. They just need one more and they could very well have the best young backline in the comp.

As i read down i see this thread has gone to crap with trolls and or just plain stupid comments.

 

[Malifice]

The way I see it we lack a structured forward line.

When the smalls are firing, its all well and good, but its simply too erratic without a key marking target (or two).

The problems are aggravated by injuries to two of our most improtant talls in Waite and Jamison.

Wont go far this year, and will be looking to stock up on KPP players.

Jeese Josh Kennedy would be handy right about now.

 

[Thommo 42]

What i'd like to happen is for Carlton to isolate Garlett in the square on Toovey and lets see how flipping good he really is...even better Leon Davis and watch him defend!

They would probably be the likely matchups, but we play team football, so would rarely allow a player to be isolated in the square.

i'd love to see Collingwood go into this game without Cloke and Tarrant, play Keefe at FB, Brown at FF, then it'd be an even contest...i'd tip Carlton in that instance...

So in addition to having our FF and FB out already in Dawes and Brown, you would like to remove our CHF and backup FB as well, and then hope it's an even contest??

Even then, we'd have Keefe, Reid, L.Brown - which would still be better than any spine Carlton could put out there.

What i also would like to see happen is for us to hold onto 4th spot somehow over the next 7 weeks....have Waite and Jamison back into the side, Hendo to CHB, Waite to FF with Kruezer running into form...and knock off Collingwood first week of the finals....that is my next wish....

That would be my wish too if I followed Carlton. I imagine it would be the wish of supporters of plenty of clubs. How many Collingwood players would you like to sit out of this particular match to even it up? Should we play with 16 players just to make sure?

Blues best football is hot hot hot and i'd tip us to beat anybody at Full strength in September on the MCG anybody...including Collingwood...

Assuming you have removed all the good Collingwood players you're afraid of, right?

 

[DTShowtime]

Big game for Carlton today. Interesting that there has been a lot of talk about Carlton having injuries.

Missing today from RD 3.

Carlton - Waite, Jamieson, Russell.
Collingwood -Dawes, Shaw, Beams, Didak.

It's interesting how perception really isn't reality.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Big game for Carlton today. Interesting that there has been a lot of talk about Carlton having injuries.

Missing today from RD 3.

Carlton - Waite, Jamieson, Russell.
Collingwood -Dawes, Shaw, Beams, Didak.

It's interesting how perception really isn't reality.

The difference is actually in the depth of the respective sides in the areas hit. Carlton doesn't have excellent KPP stocks and our best two KPP are out. Collingwood still have their best KPP in (Cloke and Reid this year) and are only missing second stringers (Dawes and Brown who was not exceptional outside of finals last year). But Collingwood has Tarrant who has easily covered Brown and Leigh Brown who can pinch hit at FF.

You also forgot Carazzo and Hampson who haven't lined up for the Blues. Carazzo is our best tagger and Hampson would still be in over Warnock on form if not for his knee injury.

 

[BrandonG]

Big game for Carlton today. Interesting that there has been a lot of talk about Carlton having injuries.

Missing today from RD 3.

Carlton - Waite, Jamieson, Russell.
Collingwood -Dawes, Shaw, Beams, Didak.

It's interesting how perception really isn't reality.

you guys have great depth to cover those injuries were as we have no one to cover waite and jammo!

will be a good match tomorrow! good luck!

 

[Magpie03]

Big game for Carlton today. Interesting that there has been a lot of talk about Carlton having injuries.

Missing today from RD 3.

Carlton - Waite, Jamieson, Russell.
Collingwood -Dawes, Shaw, Beams, Didak.

It's interesting how perception really isn't reality.

Please ignore my name and assume I go for the Pies I actually go for the Blues but even thought I hate you blokes I seem to end up being involved with black n white teams not to mention my Grand Parents were one eyed Pie ferals - anyway your right although youve missed a few including our regular whipping boy of Carlton supporters Carrazzo who whilst having his faults was sorely missed last week.

If the blues want to be taken seriously this is a game they cant afford to be anthing but 100% switched on - I never expect them to lose and watch them objectively even in the recent dark years and despite our outs I believe that they can beat you despite our lack of big defenders given Dawes is out and even more now that Shaw is out.

In alot of ways its a no win situations here because should they win most will say they should given your wounded and should they not it only proves they are pretenders to those same knowledgeable football critics.

Even though I hate to admit it you blokes are now the benchmark of the comp and they way you play shows the players believe in themselves and whilst I also cant stand Daisy the cocky little prick is one of the hardest working blokes in the game and if whoever we put on him cant or wont stay tight at all times he'll carve us.

Anyway mabye im getting old or just old fashioned I cant wait to watch the game and expect one hell of a contest and cant see any reason if we are going to finish top four we cant match you blokes and knock you off given your outs. Hopefully Ratts has bought out the Magro Jezza tape as well as Fevs effort at the huddle - as Buckley said he'd has been mortified if you didnt fire up then and Ill be mortified if we cant in front of what should be the biggest crowd all year for a home and away and hopefully in a long time.

 

[Magpie03]

You also forgot Carazzo and Hampson who haven't lined up for the Blues. Carazzo is our best tagger and Hampson would still be in over Warnock on form if not for his knee injury.

Agree re Hammer however his for early this year was not there and he only got another shot in Santy's absence - would really the the Mad Irishman out their tomorrow - for all his faults he wears his heart on his sleave and would happily leave bodies in his wake - hopefully the rest of the boys come out ready to go.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I would of mentioned Setanta but that would only end with a trollfest. Structurally important for us as he provides a battering ram to crash packs and create opportunities for our group of smalls

 

[jonoman89]

Big game for Carlton today. Interesting that there has been a lot of talk about Carlton having injuries.

Missing today from RD 3.

Carlton - Waite, Jamieson, Russell.
Collingwood -Dawes, Shaw, Beams, Didak.

It's interesting how perception really isn't reality.

And Carrazzo and Hampson.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that our outs are better than yours as far as individual ability goes. But as far as team structure, Jamison and Waite are critical to us.

We have terrible KPP depth. It's no secret. Missing our two best KPPs makes it near impossible for us to beat top sides.

Cloke, again, will probably rag doll Watson one on one. The only player we have with the strength to go with Cloke is Henderson....and he's played maybe 10 games as a defender in his life.

If the Pies kick it in long and high (and they will), they will have a field day.

 

[DTShowtime]

The most alarming facet of Carlton today was how poor their foot disposal was. They contain a lot of players with poor to average foot disposal.

 

[Blue1980]

The most alarming facet of Carlton today was how poor their foot disposal was. They contain a lot of players with poor to average foot disposal.

Was a fairly scrappy game in general. We do need a bit more poise, I think a lot of that was due to Collingwood's pressure, makes a lot of sides disposal look ordinary. Also we were trying to take the game on, more of a chance of things stuffing up.

As the side plays more together (ie as developed as Collingwood's) those issues become less and less over time.

 

[jonoman89]

The most alarming facet of Carlton today was how poor their foot disposal was. They contain a lot of players with poor to average foot disposal.

Disposal skills were fine, it was the decision making that was terrible.

Under pressure we just kicked floaters to space. Collingwood players gobbled the marks up uncontested and launched a new attack.

You'd think AFL footballers would realise that when under pressure you kick along the line, not bomb it into the corridor...

 

[Blue and Silver]

The most alarming facet of Carlton today was how poor their foot disposal was. They contain a lot of players with poor to average foot disposal.

Without a target going forward your structure falls apart. This means leading space evaporates and guys get caught behind someone else's opponent who is free to peel back because they know as soon as a pack forms they will win.

How do you find a target when you have no get out of jail option. Collingwood has been using this tactic for ages. Play an open forward line with Cloke/Dawes/Brown roaming through the middle. Clearing kicks (read half of Swan's disposals) are directed into "hot spots" where strong contested marks are the distinguishing factor.

Many times today a Carlton midfielder would win a quick clearance and kick high and long. Without Waite or O'halpin to crash the pack it ended up in the hands of a Collingwood defender.

 

[Blue1980]

Without a target going forward your structure falls apart. This means leading space evaporates and guys get caught behind someone else's opponent who is free to peel back because they know as soon as a pack forms they will win.

How do you find a target when you have no get out of jail option. Collingwood has been using this tactic for ages. Play an open forward line with Cloke/Dawes/Brown roaming through the middle. Clearing kicks (read half of Swan's disposals) are directed into "hot spots" where strong contested marks are the distinguishing factor.

Many times today a Carlton midfielder would win a quick clearance and kick high and long. Without Waite or O'halpin to crash the pack it ended up in the hands of a Collingwood defender.

For all of that we only lost by 19 points.

 

[Malifice]

The better side won today.

Still would have loved Jamison down back instead of the rookie Watson.

That would have saved us two goals from turnovers at least, notwithstanding I reckon Cloke would not have been as dominant.

 

[Mental Magpie]

Nothing would give me more joy than to come out on the weekend and wipe the smugness off every derelict Collingwood supporters face including yours! Most arrogant bunch of w***ers ever permeated on this earth....and dumb!

What i'd like to happen is for Carlton to isolate Garlett in the square on Toovey and lets see how flipping good he really is...even better Leon Davis and watch him defend!

Tore him a new one, Davis did

Blues best football is hot hot hot and i'd tip us to beat anybody at Full strength in September on the MCG anybody...including Collingwood...

Bring it on. Still a couple of years away.

 

[blueblooded]

Bring it on. Still a couple of years away.

Gotta love Collingwood supporters, our defence stood up yesterday without Jamo i thought, not withstanding the 7 rushed behinds we missed as many gettable shots as Collingwood did including 6 posters! Kept Collingwood to under 100 points which is never easy, and without Waite or a recognised KPF up forward managed to keep ourselves in the game and if weren't for poor kicking ourselves would've been even closer..

Put Waite, Jamison, Russell, Carrazzo and possibly a fit Bower and Hampson in our 22 come finals and from what i saw yesterday we can more than trouble the pies in the first week...our only issue will be consistency and holding onto 4th spot but thats an entirely different issue..

I love hearing Collingwood supporters saying that the pies played like shit both times thhey've played Carlton this year saying if they played to their potential it would be a blow out, guess what knob heads??? you are not that much better than us and both times you have played us we haven't had Waite play or anywhere near a full strength side and you still have not been able to blow us out of the water unlike every other side you play...add to that Watson has played against u both times when he clearly is not up to it yet and costing us goals, come finals all things being equal Jamison will play on Cloke, Henderson on Dawes, Waite and possibly a fit O'Hailpin up front and Russell and Carrazzo moving through the middle and it will be a much different proposition for the Collingwood forwards and Defenders, when i saw Tarrant outmark Betts in the square yesterday it said alot about our current injuries...wont always be the case...better hope we slip pies fans because you would rather play WC than a full strength blues first week.

 

[recon]

Collingwood were awful yesterday and still won comfortably Carlton shouldn't read to much into it.

 

[blueblooded]

Collingwood were awful yesterday and still won comfortably Carlton shouldn't read to much into it.

both times you've been awful against us this year and only won by a couple of goals?? do you not see the correlation here, the correlation is Carltons pressure and ability to make you look awful!

Carlton both times you've played us this year has been nowhere near full strength and pretty awful ourselves again probably due to Collingwoods pressure, problem is pies supporters seriously believe they are a 12 goal better side than everyone in the comp...you are not!!! You've played Hawks under strength and Blues under manned recently and looked fairly comfortable against both, moreso thr Hawks than Blues, but come finals when everybody is up and running Collingwood from what i saw yesterday is very much beatable, do i believe we can beat the pies first week, at full throttle absolutely!!