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[Vader]

I wonder what your preference would have been after Kerridge's 3 disposal midfield performance against Carlton.

Feel free to dig up my old posts from after that game. I was quite supportive of the kid. I said that it was a learning experience for him and that expecting him to beat Judd was unrealistic, given that Judd has destroyed many players far better and more experienced than Kerridge. I specifically argued against dropping him on the back of that performance.

Kerridge and Laird were brought in against a weakened, already shit Bulldogs side. Kerridge didn't really do anything until his 3rd game against Hawthorn. Laird struggled with his disposal against the Dogs but looked much better against Carlton.

Lyons had the superior SANFL form but doesn't come in until we played tough opposition in Hawthorn. He gets 53% time on ground and within that only limited time in the midfield. And then the next week he's tossed back out into obscurity. I mean, what?

I don't consider myself as having the 'toss everyone over the age off 22 out and play the kids' mindset. Lyons is just a really interesting case. The coaches seem to think he is Brad Symes - 'oh well he's had 10 SANFL BOGs in a row, I guess it's time to give him one token AFL game just so the media doesn't call us out on not rewarding form'. Whereas what you'd expect for a player of his age is 'well he's clearly too good for the SANFL, let's back him in for a run of games and see what he can do'.

I would be suprised if he doesn't make it as an AFL footballer, but at this rate I'd be even more surprised if he makes it here.

Lyons is an interesting case. From what they've said, they obviously don't think he's particularly quick. Adelaide aren't a team renowned for speed (other than Dangerfield), so he's too slow to be selected in a team which is already fairly slow. Just how slow is he? The kid obviously knows how to get the pill - his SANFL performances are proof of that. Is he good enough to make it despite a lack of pace, as Mitchell & Diesel have famously done, or will he end up being one of those players regarded as being a very good state league player without the attributes to succeed in the AFL?

These are not intended to be rhetorical questions. Only time will provide the answers.

 

[Vader]

If we don't rate Lyons, why the hell did we draft him?

He was taken in the 60s, in a weak draft...

 

[Wood_Duck]

He was taken in the 60s, in a weak draft...

Well we should only draft guns in future.

 

[Vader]

Can we leave the hissyfits until the final teams are in?

Kerridge will play. As for Jaensch he has been one of our most consistent and is putting together a very good year why would he be dropped.

Who would you prefer to see in the final 22 - Jaensch or Laird? That's what it will probably come down to.

Of the 7 players named on the extended interchange, VB & Hendo are almost certain inclusions. I agree with you that Kerridge is also a likely inclusion. That leaves one position in the team. I think Callinan's selection is unlikely. That leaves 2 players and 1 position - Laird vs Jaensch.

My preference would be Laird. Yours would be?

 

[Mattrox]

Who would you prefer to see in the final 22 - Jaensch or Laird? That's what it will probably come down to.

Of the 7 players named on the extended interchange, VB & Hendo are almost certain inclusions. I agree with you that Kerridge is also a likely inclusion. That leaves one position in the team. I think Callinan's selection is unlikely. That leaves 2 players and 1 position - Laird vs Jaensch.

My preference would be Laird. Yours would be?

I think that Jaensch is infront of Laird based on pecking order. Would not be surprised if he is selected.

I also think that at final selection the are possibly fitness tests for VB and Hendo to make sure they don't carry anything into this game. It just isn't worth the risk.

Having said that, someone carrying a niggle could be a late change Sunday.

 

[Vader]

I think that Jaensch is infront of Laird based on pecking order. Would not be surprised if he is selected.

I also think that at final selection the are possibly fitness tests for VB and Hendo to make sure they don't carry anything into this game. It just isn't worth the risk.

Having said that, someone carrying a niggle could be a late change Sunday.

I won't be at all surprised to see Laird given a week in the SANFL, which would leave Jaensch in the side for one more week. Sando more or less told us to expect this, with Crouch doing likewise the following week. Only catch is that there is no SANFL game this week, due to the SANFL/NEAFL state game.

My preference would be Laird over Jaensch... but I'm obviously not on the AFC selection panel.

 

[King Elvis]

What has changed is that we lost Tex.

He is our only forward at the moment. We need to play him as we have a distinct lack of actual forwards.

Lewis Johnston is a marking forward?

 

[Mattrox]

Well we should only draft guns in future.

We better email Chapman with this gem of an idea to get Ogilvie into action before word gets out and other clubs adopt this strategy.!

 

[AFC979810]

Lewis Johnston is a marking forward?

The fact he kicked the 2nd most goals in the SANFL last year would indicate he is a marking forward.

 

[Mattrox]

The fact he kicked the 2nd most goals in the SANFL last year would indicate he is a marking forward.

Tall crumbing forward?

 

[King Elvis]

Exactly - so we had an ACTUAL forward, in form in the SANFL, yet we didn't play him; instead we played out out of form medium sized MARKING forward.

Well we should only draft guns in future.

Or when we're lucky enough to steal a gun at a pick in the 60s, we should play him.

And your resorting to hyperbole isn't disproving my argument.

 

[Lawrst]

Who would you prefer to see in the final 22 - Jaensch or Laird? That's what it will probably come down to.

I think one is a defender and the other is a forward now.

Jaensch vs Callinan.

 

[Jack is Back]

He was taken in the 60s, in a weak draft...

So we justify not playing Lyons because he wasn't a high draft pick.

Thank god we didn't make this mistake with other low draft picks who's form in the SANFL was significantly below Jarryd's.

Like Rory Sloane

 

[AFC979810]

Exactly - so we had an ACTUAL forward, in form in the SANFL, yet we didn't play him; instead we played out out of form medium sized MARKING forward.

Not sure what the issue is here... I was fine with LJ coming in last week. I posted multiple times that I didn't care whether he or SMACK got the opportunity - only that whoever the AFC chose would get an extended run.

Porps came in for Petrenko. Smack for Walker. No room for LJ. If we went in with LJ/Smack/Lynch/Jenkins that is a ridiculously unbalanced forward line.

 

[Vader]

I think one is a defender and the other is a forward now.

Jaensch vs Callinan.

I've already made the assumption that Callinan will be omitted when the final team is announced. If you actually bothered to read my previous post, (given my stated assumption) you'd see that it boils down to 2 players vying for 1 position. Laird vs Jaensch.

 

[Vader]

So we justify not playing Lyons because he wasn't a high draft pick.

Thank god we didn't make this mistake with other low draft picks who's form in the SANFL was significantly below Jarryd's.

Like Rory Sloane

Context, context, context... I suggest you figure it out.

 

[Jack is Back]

Context, context, context... I suggest you figure it out.

Well let's compare Rory Sloane to Jarryd Lyons.

Both were poorly regarded by other clubs and chosen low in the draft, in Rory's case he was completely overlooked in his first draft.

Both had their first year at the Crows decimated by injury.

Rory's form in the SANFL was encouraging but not scintillating (care to guess how many BOGs he had for North in his SANFL career Vader?).

Rory was given a chance and we just kept playing him. The only clear difference is that Rory was a cheeky young KID with heaps of media presence and Jarryd is a quiet lad.

Jarryd in no longer a KID, he is in his third year in the SANFL, he is the best performed player in the entire SANFL so far this year, if we don't play him now against the bottom team then when will we play him?

 

[Elite Crow]

Well let's compare Rory Sloane to Jarryd Lyons.

Both were poorly regarded by other clubs and chosen low in the draft, in Rory's case he was completely overlooked in his first draft.

Both had their first year at the Crows decimated by injury.

Rory's form in the SANFL was encouraging but not scintillating (care to guess how many BOGs he had for North in his SANFL career Vader?).

Rory was given a chance and we just kept playing him. The only clear difference is that Rory was a cheeky young KID with heaps of media presence and Jarryd is a quiet lad.

Jarryd in no longer a KID, he is in his third year in the SANFL, he is the best performed player in the entire SANFL so far this year, if we don't play him now against the bottom team then when will we play him?

Lyons also fills a weakness, we have been poor at clearances all year and that's his strength. Was it you that came up with stat that he was 3rd in our clearances last week in a half? I've said it before he needs to shave his head or dye his hair purple so people can actually see the work he does.

But we don't know the make up of the team yet, lets hope Sando backs him in.

 

[MRB37]

Who would you guys omit to keep Lyons in the side?

 

[AFC979810]

if we don't play him now against the bottom team then when will we play him?

Rd 5 against Hawthorn (last years grand finalists).

 

[JP Sauce]

Who would you guys omit to keep Lyons in the side?

Mackay and Porps.

 

[Jack is Back]

Rd 5 against Hawthorn (last years grand finalists).

Yes that appears to be the plan. Play the KIDS against the top teams to see if they're up to it and play the fading veterans against the bottom teams to boost their confidence. I think we can gain a real advantage from this since all the other top teams are doing exactly the opposite.

I would leave out Porplyzia, Callinan and either Mackay, Wright or Jaensch.

I do feel that the form of these three has suffered by being played in different positions so far this year. I don't believe Jaensch is a backman and in his only full game as a forward he was well below Kerridge. Mackay played the pre-season on the wing, went back to half back for the first three games, then back onto the wing and played part of last week in the forward line. Wright has been switched between the onball tagging role and defensive forward but once again didn't perform as well as Kerridge did in this role last week.

 

[Tex200]

My biggest issue last year was the selection of Callinan and Petrenko for the prelim - it was an emotional decision and it cost us big time. Outside of that, you can't fault his first year; unfortunately, those golden ticket selections seem to have carried into this season.

The biggest point I'd like to make in response to your post, and it's what I've been saying for a while - just because we are winning, doesn't mean the team cannot be improved. Sydney are the Premiers, they landed the biggest trade of the year, strengthened their team immensely, but in doing so, will force someone out of the their side; but it'll be worth it.

We beat crap teams like Brisbane and the Bulldogs and plenty of people are happy with the 4 points and don't bother considering whether we could improve the team anyway.

We're reluctant to even bring somebody who is already on our list and dominating the SANFL into the team - yet the best team in the land is constantly trying to improve.

Mackay (who I am a fan of) is the obvious example - we know what we're going to get from him, at the moment, it's between mediocre and good; but we know what we'll get. We have Brodie Martin outside of the time, in consistently good form in the SANFL, who is never given an extended run to earn his place in the side. In this case, the only question that matters is whether Martin would match or exceed Mackay's output - if the answer is anything other than a definitive no, then we should be given him the chance to prove himself.

Outstanding post. Unfortunately there is too much emotion attached to our sacred cows for there to be any rational debate.

 

[Elite Crow]

Who would you guys omit to keep Lyons in the side?

Callinan : Porps
Laird: Tambling
VB: Wright

 

[DT_35]

Anyone know when the extended benches are cut?