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Odd post Stabby; I'd not sure how Douglas would go as a defender; especially a Key Position one...
In the role, what attributes does Douglas have for the defensive small forward role?
Douglas average 1.6 frees against last year.
He went under 20 possessions in 10 out of 17 games only got to 20 possessions in 1 of the losses last year.
He averaged 3 tackles per game
Disposal efficiency 66%
Clanger 3.3
Turnovers per game 4.4
Goals per game 0.8
Chayce in his 1st 2 practice games
7 possessions 3 tackles 1 goal against Port in 35% game time.
9 possessions 5 tackles 2 goals against GWS in 70% game time
Anyone justifying Dougie is based on emotion and not the crucial statistics.
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His water to Penfolds Bin 707 trick is pretty good too
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As I said before, there is no knock on Jones. I was simply saying it's not a case of "Drop Douglas and Play Jones".
Jones has to earn his spot, looks like he will. But there are a few false dichotomy arguments.
Douglas also wasn't in the diabolical category last year that D-mac fell into under Sando and struggled to come out of. He also wasn't Robinson Crusoe in not completely setting the world on fire in 2018.
I don't think 1.59 FA can be used as evidence against Dougy in any way. It was the worst on our team but in terms of the AFL was equal 44th.
As noted before possessions often depend on the role played. I'm happy to be corrected, but our season caused me some selective/ IPA induced amnesia, but Dougy's role last year was not primarily in the key ball winning positions.
We are also not going to drop our 11th best tackler. Ok he's not our best, but hes a long way from getting dropped for not tackling, he also cannot be accused of being a squib in a contest.
Quoting poor stats from losses is also meaningless as losses are the result of poor team performance. Poor team performance also was a significant problem, this was not a Dougy problem.
Yes Douglas is getting squeezed out of the team, but I'm inclined to agree with Stabby's take.
I agree that over the course of the year we need to play emerging players when veterans drop in form. I do understand the trepidation that some fans have with how the AFC transition new talent.
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Can you outline the skill set Douglas has over Jones as a small defensive forward?
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Which Dougy? The guy that used to get 20+ disposals a game and poll most games in our bests or the Dougy that has struggled and looks like he is falling off the cliff?
It really depends on which Dougy we have. Are you calling it already? Is he cooked? If so, then you are right. We won’t make the tough call for a while and we’ll have to live with it until they make that call. I’m pretty close to calling it too. I just can’t bag the club for not making that call yet though. It’s not a forgone conclusion that Dougy is cooked. Even though it looks that way to me.
And if Dougy is that 20+ disposal player we used to know, he is getting picked. Whether it’s for Jones or somebody else, he will be in the 22. Doesn’t matter what skillset that guy he keeps out has.
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It'd be pretty close to 1, seeing Matty broke the possession record in 2017 (which I believe was subsequently smashed in 2018 by Mitchell)
Agreed, that sort of composure with his 10th? touch at the level is a really good sign. Plenty of others also - some strong tackles, pace & decision making reaction time.
You actually haven’t outlined the skill set Douggie has over Jones to play the small defensive forward role
Unfortunately with a drop off in disposals theres no increase in 1%'s, tackles, disposal efficiency or goal scoring yet rates high in frees against, clangers, turnovers which are momentum killers
2018
23rd out of 31 for disposal efficiency
1st for frees against
3rd for clangers
9th for tackles
7th in turnovers
11th for disposals
21st for marks
16th in 1 percenters
10th for goals
2017
20th in disposal efficiency
9th in frees against
3rd in clangers
8th in tackles
6th in turnovers
5th in disposals
23rd in marks
20th in 1 percenters
11 in goals
Wow
Unfortunately in JLT 1 & 2 its around the 13-14 mark. I know they are practice matches but the signs aren't good and didnt hit the score board
I almost hate Douglas discussions as much as Mackay discussions
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He isn’t ideal for the role. Mainly because of the lack of pace. But that won’t mean he won’t get picked in the 22 over Jones. If not Jones over somebody else.
In terms of his skill set, he used to kick goals. Roved the pack prett well. Was good when the ball is on the ground. Can set up goals. Wasn’t a bad player that Dougy and not too long ago. But his lack of pace would be a missed opportunity for us to play someone with real speed and tackling intensity to that role. But like I said. None of that will stop him being picked.
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Yep. Writing is on the wall. But rightly or wrongly they’ll give him a chance and I wouldn’t bet against him. My guess is he will start the season reasonably well with one or two very good performances. Some, not me, will come on bf laying into those who wrote him off. But sometime after the bye he will drop off again, eventually lose his spot and then the “I told you so,s” will get their revenge
My guess anyway.
What about the Van Berlo ones when we kept him one season to many as well?
He's had a huge career. But all careers come to and end at some stage and an opportunity for another to begin.
Here's a pretty handy stat.
2013 AFL League Inside 50s Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)
Rank | Player | Team | Games | Average |
1 | 20 | 6.05 | ||
2 | 25 | 5.80 | ||
3 | 21 | 5.38 | ||
4 | 22 | 5.32 |
Is that the only angle?
With our complex game style both offensively and defensively
With the rule changes notably the reduction in use of the runner
Dougie’s leadership is a big advantage
He also has uses the ball well around half forward. I think he is a better kick than Knight and Murphy. He is much more likely to hit a bullet pass to a leading forward in a small defensive gap.
Small forwards: Betts > Murphy > Knight > Dougie
With the fourth small in Dougie being a part time midfielder as with our zone he will push back into the midfield and then link up going forward. I think Dougie will be better at that than the other options.
That’s assuming he isn’t completely cooked like leg-arms was in his final year.
Douglas will last the whole season?
Jones is a kid still. We should get 10 games into him at least, but I think he'd be cooked at season end if we try to play him every game.
Jones is looking a winner, with his pace and superb tackling attributes. If you want to compare Jones and Dougy though, Dougy has a significant consistency over the course of his career.
If we’re judging Jones on JLT games, then he was ok in his first JLT and pretty good in his second JLT. This rates him (in my eyes) as ok to good, with significant potential sometime down the track.
If we’re judging Jones on JLT games, then he was ok in his first JLT and pretty good in his second JLT. This rates him (in my eyes) as ok to good, with significant potential sometime down the track.
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