Did John Barnes cost us the 2001 Flag?

[Cameo King]

whilst every fellow whining Bomber fan like me knows that we were a better side than Brisbane in 2001, and we were beaten by a fitter side, not a superior side, we still should have won it on the day.

Lloydy kicked a goal in the last to get us back within 9 points, then soon after John Barnes put in a soft effort on the wing, lost contest, Lions run forward, kick goal, premiership won.

Thanks Barnsey.

 

[mantis]

This attitude is one that really irks me, people blame losing a close game on the person who made the last stuff up, eg: Wally.

You lose those close games because of things that happened during the whole four quarters, stuff ups in the first quarter can lead to the opposition getting a big lead on the scoreboard, then you are playing catch up footy all day, it is NOT the fault of the person who made the LAST error.

 

[Cameo King]

Wally 99 Prelim: Judgement error, it happens, I've accepted it and no bad feelings.

Barnes 01 GF: didn't put body on line in crucial stage of GF. Lack of heart. Unacceptable. Lingering anger.

 

[Darealrath]

I don't even remember that incident and i don't want to watch the replay, that's for sure.

I remember once incident though in the last where we should have kicked an easy goal but whoever it was kicked it between 2 of our blokes and found the lone bris defender.

Anyway, i agree with your fitter/superior comment. Barnes himself was playing with a dodge achilles all season fwiw.

 

[windyhill]

John Barnes was the missing link in our 2000 season and this is coming from a bloke who was rapt to see him shown the door all those years ago, to Geelong.

 

[BomberGal]

Originally posted by Cameo King
whilst every fellow whining Bomber fan like me knows that we were a better side than Brisbane in 2001, and we were beaten by a fitter side, not a superior side, we still should have won it on the day.

Lloydy kicked a goal in the last to get us back within 9 points, then soon after John Barnes put in a soft effort on the wing, lost contest, Lions run forward, kick goal, premiership won.

Thanks Barnsey.

You're only three years too late if you want to have a whinge about it.

I don't remember the incident. But you can't go blaming it on one thing. Team effort.

What on earth makes you bring it up now?

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Cameo King
we were beaten by a fitter side, not a superior side, we still should have won it on the day.

That's funny. Normally the superior side wins.

 

[8485]

Originally posted by Cameo King
whilst every fellow whining Bomber fan like me knows that we were a better side than Brisbane in 2001, and we were beaten by a fitter side, not a superior side, we still should have won it on the day.

Lloydy kicked a goal in the last to get us back within 9 points, then soon after John Barnes put in a soft effort on the wing, lost contest, Lions run forward, kick goal, premiership won.

Thanks Barnsey.

Absolute ******** - we were never within 9 points in the last quarter - are you trying to create an urban myth? We were miles behind and kicked a few late ones to make it respectable - 24 points I think. Watch the replay!! As for Barnesy he was never hard at it and we all knew that. His style of play as a ruckman and a permanent wingman helped win us the 2000 flag so blaming him for 2001 three years later is a waste of a thread!!
Once again ********!!

 

[Cooldude]

C'mon, c'mon. We don't wanna whinge like the Italians here whenever we lose. Brisbane beat us, period. Don't blame it on anything.

 

[Mero]

I would consider I have a pretty good memory, and I cannot remember that incident.
What I do recall is missing about 5 easy shots either side of half time when we could have put them away.
We went into half time 14 points up, and we should have been 6 goals up.
We did kick one goal in the third, and they then piled on the next 6 to lead by 19 points at 3/4 time.
From memory, we didn't kick the first goal of the last quarter, so I'd say your recollection is flawed.

Has Barnsey wronged you in some way?

 

[windyhill]

Never watched a replay , so I`m going from memory here. The thing that stands out for me was just on half time when Lynch kicked one in the dying seconds. I`m pretty sure we were up, this goal hurt us, we had been ****ing around exerting all the pressure , just couldn`t put it on the board, this goal probably won it for them. The third quarter started and no-one scored for quite a while, then Brizzy score again and the flood gates open.
At one stage it was looking like quite a severe pumping and yes, we did kick a few late on to make the score respectable.
If you are going to bag Barnes then surely J.Hird should cop his fair share as well, quite ridiculous that he played.

 

[Essendon Fan]

Get over it!
Move on,that was 3 yrs ago...many more seasons to come!

 

[pfinn]

Did Barnes cost us the 2001 flag? NO.
Did Barnes help us win 2000 flag? YES

We were the best side in the league for most of the season, but near september we ran out of puff and Brisbane took over as the best side in the league. The GF we were the walking wounded, we had no answers to a better Brisbane side. It wasn't 1 mans fault, if you want to blame someone blame the 22 players Brisbane put on the field.

 

[Mystacool]

Soundly beaten by a better team. Barnesy was one of 22 players who should be blamed.Get over it.We will rise again.

 

[ant555]

whilst every fellow whining Bomber fan like me knows that we were a better side than Brisbane in 2001, and we were beaten by a fitter side, not a superior side, we still should have won it on the day.

Lloydy kicked a goal in the last to get us back within 9 points, then soon after John Barnes put in a soft effort on the wing, lost contest, Lions run forward, kick goal, premiership won.

Thanks Barnsey.

What a load of crap. Two things cost us, Brisbane being the better side and the fact that Barnsey, Hird and Lucas where less than 80% fit.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

What a load of crap. Two things cost us, Brisbane being the better side and the fact that Barnsey, Hird and Lucas where less than 80% fit.

Considering it was Mercuri who was half fit - and the fact that Lucas kicked 4 goals for the game and was probably our best player.

Barnse should never have started in the ruck - Alessio was easily our best ruckman that year.

Hird should have played - Mercuir should not have - and McGrath should never have been dropped for Long towards the end of the season. but anyhew

 

[Ari]

Hird should have played

No he should not have. He was suffering a fairly severe groin problem going into the GF then he strained it even more in the first quarter. He even said himself that he could not get into the game and was behind on all tihe plays.

He tried to push himself to play good footy when his body just wasnt fit. He didnt train all week and IMO i dont care who you are, you should not play if you were not fit for training.

 

[ant555]

Considering it was Mercuri who was half fit - and the fact that Lucas kicked 4 goals for the game and was probably our best player.

Barnse should never have started in the ruck - Alessio was easily our best ruckman that year.

Hird should have played - Mercuir should not have - and McGrath should never have been dropped for Long towards the end of the season. but anyhew

Correct about Lucas dont know why he stuck in my mind as being under an injury cloud. There was a couple of others who where struggling as well but at the end of the day the best team won.No excuses.

 

[Disco Clarky]

No he should not have. He was suffering a fairly severe groin problem going into the GF then he strained it even more in the first quarter. He even said himself that he could not get into the game and was behind on all tihe plays.

He tried to push himself to play good footy when his body just wasnt fit. He didnt train all week and IMO i dont care who you are, you should not play if you were not fit for training.

Hird definately should have played. Last game of the year and Hird at 50percent is better than someone else sitting on the bench. While Hirds groin was a major problem his poor game can also be attributed to the knock and subsequent concussion he recieved. He couldn't even remember playing the 2nd and 3rd quaters. At very least he was going to take away their main stopper. While its easy to look back and say he shouldn't have played if the dons were faced with a similar situation in the future I'm sure they'd make the same decision

 

[Dave]

While its easy to look back and say he shouldn't have played if the dons were faced with a similar situation in the future I'm sure they'd make the same decision

And it'd still be wrong. Taking a leg muscle injury into a game is not the same as something you can get a jab for. If you can't run or hold your ground, which hird couldn't, you shouldn't be out there.

Brisbane were just too good, If anything cost us it was our inability to run out the second half, and the lack of support for Lloyd and Lucas up forward. They were just too good on the day, we gave it our all and came up short. It happens.

 

[slugger]

I think Rioli and Fletcher both had stress fractures in the lower legs, but those injuries had been managed all season.

Anyone thought that, after Brisbane's 16 wins in a row, and their subsequent performances, that they might just have been better than us.

The two weeks in oppressive weather didn't help us though.

 

[Brad-clare]

You have to get over it and move on, you lost can't do much about it except learn.