Is Brent Harvey a modern day great?

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Having a discussion with a friend about Brent Harvey and his status in the game. I believe he is a modern day great of the game and deserves to be ranked alongside other modern day greats such as Shane Crawford, Robert Harvey, Andrew McLeod etc, but my friend thinks he is a tier or two below these players. Thoughts?

 

[Jade]

Absolutely not.

Been a very good player but is not of the standard of Robert Harvey, Andrew Mcleod.

 

[a_shot_on_ehlo]

I would think he is on par with Crawford in greatness, but neither of those two are on the same tier as Mcleod and R Harvey imo

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

I would think he is on par with Crawford in greatness, but neither of those two are on the same tier as Mcleod and R Harvey imo

Really? Why?

Here are Crawfords achievements fwiw

4 x All Australian
MVP winner
AFLPA MVP
Brownlow medalist
4 x Best & Fairest

He was pretty much the best player in the competition in 1999, and had several outstanding years in some very s**t teams. Each to their own I suppose though.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Clearly no.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Clearly no.

Brent Harvey is very underrated. He has had an outstanding career, and is one of North Melbournes best players ever imo.

 

[Jeremias]

I probably wouldn't classify him a modern day great but he has certainly been an outstanding player for a very long period of time.

 

[Kong]

North Melbourne great, not even close to an AFL great.

IMO of the "modern era" (when does that end, anyway?), you have rankings as such:

Buckley, Hird, Voss

Crawford, Cousins, R Harvey

West, McLeod, B Harvey

Bell, Goodwin

 

[Donakebab]

North Melbourne great, not even close to an AFL great.

IMO of the "modern era" (when does that end, anyway?), you have rankings as such:

Buckley, Hird, Voss

Crawford, Cousins, Harvey

West, McLeod, Harvey

3rd tier seems about right. Would bump McLeod up to 2nd tier, but that's a discusion for another time.

 

[barmyarmy]

3rd tier seems about right. Would bump McLeod up to 2nd tier, but that's a discusion for another time.

mcleod a very over rated footballer give me boomer

 

[Kong]

You beat me to the edit.

It's all subjective of course, and I doubt any two people would agree entirely on "tiers".

But I don't think you'd find anybody outside of North Melbourne claiming Harvey to be on that first or second tier.

 

[barmyarmy]

North Melbourne great, not even close to an AFL great.

IMO of the "modern era" (when does that end, anyway?), you have rankings as such:

Buckley, Hird, Voss

Crawford, Cousins, R Harvey

West, McLeod, B Harvey

Bell, Goodwin

boomer is everybit as good as West, Mcleod, Goodwin , and please tell me that ain't Peter Bell

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

boomer is everybit as good as West, Mcleod, Goodwin , and please tell me that ain't Peter Bell

Peter Bell won a few best & fairests and a couple of All Australian selections. He could play.

 

[Kong]

'tis indeed.

And Harvey's on the same line as West & McLeod and actually ahead of Goodwin, so you actually agree with me.

 

[barmyarmy]

Peter Bell won a few best & fairests and a couple of All Australian selections. He could play.

No one said i could not play , But it's just my opinion boomer is a fair way ahead of Belly

 

[TheOldXav]

Robert Harvey made 8 AA sides & won 2 Brownlows. Sorry, but he is every bit as good as the first 3.

Only 1 person has received more Brownlow votes in the history of the game.

 

[barmyarmy]

'tis indeed.

And Harvey's on the same line as West & McLeod and actually ahead of Goodwin, so you actually agree with me.

 

[barmyarmy]

Robert Harvey made 8 AA sides & won 2 Brownlows. Sorry, but he is every bit as good as the first 3.

:thumbsu Agree

 

[Kong]

And that sort of opinion is fair enough, IMO.

But to claim Brent's up there isn't.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

North Melbourne great, not even close to an AFL great.

IMO of the "modern era" (when does that end, anyway?), you have rankings as such:

Buckley, Hird, Voss

Crawford, Cousins, R Harvey

West, McLeod, B Harvey

Bell, Goodwin

Modern era is starting your career after 1990 imo. Anyway here are my top midfielders from the modern era.

1. Ablett
2. Voss
3. Judd
4. Cousins
5. Hird
6. Buckley
7. R. Harvey
8. Goodes
9. Crawford
10. McLeod
11. B.Harvey
12. West
13. Akermanis
14. Kelly
15. Goodwin

I know I have probably left out one or two.

 

[Donakebab]

Modern era is starting your career after 1990 imo. Anyway here are my top midfielders from the modern era.

1. Ablett
2. Voss
3. Judd
4. Cousins
5. Hird
6. Buckley
7. R. Harvey
8. Goodes
9. Crawford
10. McLeod
11. B.Harvey
12. West
13. Akermanis
14. Kelly
15. Goodwin

I know I have probably left out one or two.

Black is the glaring omisson.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Black is the glaring omisson.

Black would probably be around 10th to 13th with his old mate from Brisbane Akermanis imo. The first 6 or 7 are all all-time greats. Then Goodes, Crawford, McLeod, B.Harvey, Black, West & Akermanis are modern day greats. Then Kelly & Goodwin are 3rd tier imo.

 

[Jade]

Black is the glaring omisson.

Agreed, and Akermanis (despite being a douche) was a substantially better midfielder as well.

Other names springing to mind:

Kerr
Lappin
Power
Pendlebury
Swan
Watson
Bartel
Mitchell

(and apologies to the numerous I have likely forgot)

These would all appear to be much better midfielders.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Agreed, and Akermanis (despite being a douche) was a substantially better midfielder as well.

Other names springing to mind:

Kerr
Lappin
Power
Pendlebury
Swan
Watson
Bartel
Mitchell

(and apologies to the numerous I have likely forgot)

These would all appear to be much better midfielders.

All better than Harvey?

Kerr has been too inconsistent, Lappin was a brilliant player, but Harvey was better. Power is nowhere near it. Pendlebury and Swan will probably pass him by careers end ( Swan would be pretty close now ). Watson hasn't even got an AA gig or had a full "elite" season yet, Harvey has 4 AAs and several player of the year awards. Bartel is overrated on this site and Mitchell would be behind Harvey at the moment imo.

Out of the players still active you mentioned, Pendlebury & Swan will definitely pass Harvey, Mitchell might, and Watson would have to string together a few elite seasons to reach Harveys level. aall 4 player could well end up being better players than Harvey, but I think only Swan & Pendlebury are locks out of the aforementioned.

It's all subjective, but Harvey is massively underrated imo.

 

[Monkey King]

I would think he is on par with Crawford in greatness, but neither of those two are on the same tier as Mcleod and R Harvey imo

Yeah, Crawf for sure and maybe McLeod, but Robert Harvey is in another league and is the only one who qualifies for the term modern day great IMO. The rest were very very good footballers.