Scape Goat I've lost my faith in Ken Hinkley Part 2
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At least Rocky has improved as a minor compensation
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Agree with this, he's never quite taken that final step top echelon midfielder. Still, he's only 24, could potentially go up a further gear in a better system.
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It still exists. Not sure i'll be bringing it out again personally, but i'm obviously still supportive of the message.
I probably wish it said Sack Koch, but that would arguably attract even more ire from the handful of angry supporters surrounding me.
Most people were either indifferent or supportive but a few stood up and had a crack.
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You're assuming he is stressed or anxious about us not winning.
I doubt he loses any sleep over it. As long as his fat pay cheque and tenure is secure under Koch I doubt he is particular stressed. This is the guy that threatened to break his contract and go and coach a basket case Gold Coast Suns.
IMHO Ken is a good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
I learnt something new on a Monday!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
Happy nearly easter to me.
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I would not be surprised. Surely someone at the PAFC has raised eyebrows at Ken's apathetic attitude ?
On the Port site Hinkley talks about how good Richmond are and how we need to be like them. At no stage does he say anything like, 'and getting to that point is my responsibility as the Head Coach'. I am not sure that Ken understands what his role is in all this. He talks as if it is all on the players to suddenly get there.
https://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2019-04-13/hinkley-we-didnt-make-it-hard-for-them
My questions to Ken are, 'and what were you doing while the players were letting Grimes take uncontested marks in defence. If you could see what was hurting us why not make a change to counter it?
I'd love to see a 'Sack Hinkley' sign raised during 'Never tear us apart' by someone wearing the scarf. The players running through a banner of 'never tear us apart' with an image of ken and koch would be even better, but i doubt that would get approval!
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Nicks is doing ok at GWS hey
That because he never was the problem. Just another scapegoat for Hinkleys failings.
They'll run out of people to lay blame of soon enough and there will be no one left to dump all this on and they'll have to sack the clown.
People say if you stop going to games you are hurting the club but if the club doesn't step up and do something now, Ken will achieve exactly that, people will stop going and fringe supporters may not renew. The signs are there already.
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Again Ken blames the players and takes no responsibility for the loss, sick of him.
Pity you dont sit anywhere near me on western stand. You would get heaps and heaps.. congrats to those who had a crack. Big footy noise is not the sentiment at the oval we the crowd is there to support the team. I have said that on a number of occasions plus the latest mistruth about the richmond game crowd. Key board posturing is not game time reality.
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Ok shoot me down even though I am every bit as pissed off as all of you.
The club have definitely stuffed up giving him that long contract and way way too early.
But the club’s hands are pretty tied.
Ken has a contract.
If I am correct, theAFL can veto any move by the club and will not want the look of another coach sacked.
We don’t have the freedom to do as we please in that arena like the big clubs unbeholding to the AFL do.
Even if we could move him on we would have no money to cover the pay out and to get a new decent coach in.
Or the legal cost if it comes to that.
There is a footy department cap.
Why can’t people get this.?
Schoey and Monty, we don’t know if they will make good senior AFL coaches. A bit early to call them saviours.
I feel we are stuck with the situation which is as frustrating as hell.
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This is why Hinkley has refused to undertake any form of professional development and he only went to the USA in the off season because the club finally forced him to go.
So while he might look lost he is not stressed by it because he doesn't actually realise he is lost.
To put the Dunning-Kruger effect in simple terms, some stupid people are too stupid to realise that they are stupid.
I don't understand the whole we can't sack Hinkley mantra.
Sack him?
Replace him with an interim coach.
What do we have to lose?
We know what Hinkley offers. It's not what we need.
If Schoey has been impressive in the last six months then give him a chance.
Promote Thompson if he has been impressive. Rejig to get him some help. Offer Brogan midfield stoppages role for the season.
Sack him?
Replace him with an interim coach.
What do we have to lose?
We know what Hinkley offers. It's not what we need.
If Schoey has been impressive in the last six months then give him a chance.
Promote Thompson if he has been impressive. Rejig to get him some help. Offer Brogan midfield stoppages role for the season.
Indeed it is, if the last year of his contract is performance based that sees us into the end of next year.
Goodbye Gray, Westhoff, Boak, Ryder who you'd say maybe only have next year. No chance of success for them. We will take a HUGE financial hit from loss of membership revenue. Already are, it'll only get worse if Hinkley stays and we miss out again and start to lose fan favourites to retirement.
Best case (nothing more than wishful thinking) Bolton gets canned and for what ever reason they are dumb enough to make a play for him like the Suns did and we let him walk. But don't think we'll be lucky enough to be in that situation again. We could of been rid of him and KT/Koch/the board handed him a massive contract locking him in here instead.
Money.
Assuming the last year is performance based and we aren't paying that year out. Its still a 2 year payout, 2Mil+ then add in the AFL tax for exceeding the soft cap on footy department spend. 4MIl
If we need to pay out the last year as well you're looking at 6mil including AFL tax.
Ironically keeping him will cost us at least 1Mil plus and the chance of a premiership with our ageing stars...... Whats a premiership worth ?
I fully understand this but the decline in numbers and membership, that will be the Clubs doing not the fans.
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A large sum of money and a big hit to our football department spending ability under the AFL's soft cap that would see Hinkley's replacement hamstrung in a way last experienced by Primus.
Who's above him are stupid too - they keep bringing in talent around him to what, just listen and be overridden? Doesn't seem like anything has changed in the box, they stare out the coaches box and look into the wilderness.
The two times I've seen Ken challenged are by people who are no longer there, Nicks and also Rehn, both had altercations with him caught on camera.
If Monty or Schofield walk at years end the club will be burnt to the ground.
I know through a contact they actively read social media and big-footy, they would have a pretty decent understanding of the mood.
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