Mankad: Fair game or poor form?

[LukeParkerno1]

I do like how England are whinging when they won a WC on a boundary rule lol

 

[corbies]

Peter Della Penna has done a thread on Deans previous backing up in the match before her dismissal.

Peter has now gone through every ball for which Dean was out there and has said she left the non-strikers end crease early 73 times during the innings. It was 85% of the balls she was at the non-strikers end for. Jones and Davies never left early during their innings and Cross did once.

 

[Father Jack]

One of the most infuriating things in cricket is people whining about getting out via a legitimate and easily preventable dismissal. I don't understand why people insist on a warning either, the rules state that you can get out if you wander off down the pitch early so don't do it and you'll be fine.

Maybe in the days when the only form of cricket was test match cricket they may have had a point, but these days when everyone is looking for any advantage from every ball, no way.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Peter has now gone through every ball for which Dean was out there and has said she left the non-strikers end crease early 73 times during the innings. It was 85% of the balls she was at the non-strikers end for. Jones and Davies never left early during their innings and Cross did once.

73 times, but only became an issue when the game started getting close.

 

[revo333]

Would like it better if the bowler had to complete their full action instead of just running up and watching the batsman and not having to actually roll their arm over.

I didn't see the problem with the traditional spirit of giving the batsman a warning.

 

[revo333]

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Bowler not even looking where to bowl it.

So do we get to the stage where bowlers do this 15-20 times a game?

 

[western royboy]

Bowler not even looking where to bowl it.

So do we get to the stage where bowlers do this 15-20 times a game?

Sounds like it…the game has slightly diminished in my eyes as a result

 

[Some Idiot]

Bowler not even looking where to bowl it.

So do we get to the stage where bowlers do this 15-20 times a game?

If batsman don't try to cheat, bowlers won't waste their time. Obviously if the fielding side notices the batsman has been cheating extra metres they will premeditate it.

 

[western royboy]

If batsman don't try to cheat, bowlers won't waste their time. Obviously if the fielding side notices the batsman has been cheating extra metres they will premeditate it.

I’ve been playing competitive cricket for 40 years, been Captaining sides for 35 and coaching for 25. Never have I had I taught batsmen to “cheat” by backing up. In the same period I have never seen any batter deliberately try and steal ground. If a bowler stops like the one pictured, then I would suggest to you that most batsmen, including myself would end up down the pitch because the expectation is that in the spirit of the game the ball will be bowled. I feel the MCC laws of the game committee have made a mistake and have effectively turned it into Indoor Cricket.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Agree with OP

Mankading is no less out of spirit than trying to advance down the wicket as a runner between wickets

I’m not exactly sure how the rule is officiated though

They say delivery stride - so is that the bowler’s back foot hitting the ground?

 

[madmug]

I’ve been playing competitive cricket for 40 years, been Captaining sides for 35 and coaching for 25. Never have I had I taught batsmen to “cheat” by backing up. In the same period I have never seen any batter deliberately try and steal ground. If a bowler stops like the one pictured, then I would suggest to you that most batsmen, including myself would end up down the pitch because the expectation is that in the spirit of the game the ball will be bowled. I feel the MCC laws of the game committee have made a mistake and have effectively turned it into Indoor Cricket.

Why is the rule a mistake?

Just watch the ball FFS. Its no different to wandering out of your crease when the ball is live,& getting nutted that way.

Its the batsmans onus to know where the ball is & whether it is probably live or not.

Thats not the same as walking out of your crease when you inadvertently think you are out.

That becomes the Umpires decision to reinstate the players innings.

Its in the rules, its just batsmen whinging again when they make a stupid mistake.

 

[corbies]

Agree with OP

Mankading is no less out of spirit than trying to advance down the wicket as a runner between wickets

I’m not exactly sure how the rule is officiated though

They say delivery stride - so is that the bowler’s back foot hitting the ground?

The law doesn't make any mention of delivery stride. It is when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball. The MCC further clarified that expected refers to the point in a delivery action when the ball would be released. i.e. if the bowler stops in their delivery stride its not when they would have released it had they kept going on with their action. Rather it is to stop people holding on to the ball past their normal point of release and then effecting the run out.

41.16 Non-striker leaving his/her ground early

41.16.1 If the non-striker is out of his/her ground at any time from the moment the ball comes into play until the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the non-striker is liable to be Run out. In these circumstances, the non-striker will be out Run out if he/she is out of his/her ground when his/her wicket is put down by the bowler throwing the ball at the stumps or by the bowler’s hand holding the ball, whether or not the ball is subsequently delivered.

 

[akkaps]

The law doesn't make any mention of delivery stride. It is when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball. The MCC further clarified that expected refers to the point in a delivery action when the ball would be released. i.e. if the bowler stops in their delivery stride its not when they would have released it had they kept going on with their action. Rather it is to stop people holding on to the ball past their normal point of release and then effecting the run out.

From that, it’s question of when the bowl “comes into play”

 

[11kgm]

She got done and cried and everyone in the English media went poor lamb, it's not in the spirit shame on you India

 

[corbies]

From that, it’s question of when the bowl “comes into play”

The laws also cover this with Law 20.5:

20.5 Ball ceases to be dead

The ball ceases to be dead – that is, it comes into play – when the bowler starts his/her run-up or, if there is no run-up, starts his/her bowling action.

 

[akkaps]

The laws also cover this with Law 20.5:

Which means that mankading is all good.

 

[corbies]

Which means that mankading is all good.

I don't think its ever been a question of whether its legal within the laws of the game as they are written at the moment.

 

[Teen Wolf]

She got done and cried and everyone in the English media went poor lamb, it's not in the spirit shame on you India

Yeah focus on the media. Ignore the boos from the ticket-paying public.

15k people attended the game, biggest-ever crowd for a women's bilateral fixture in England by far. They were ripped off, because nobody actually thinks it's good for the game to trade thrilling conclusions decided by skill in exchange for... whatever nonsense this was.

 

[Some Idiot]

I’ve been playing competitive cricket for 40 years, been Captaining sides for 35 and coaching for 25. Never have I had I taught batsmen to “cheat” by backing up. In the same period I have never seen any batter deliberately try and steal ground. If a bowler stops like the one pictured, then I would suggest to you that most batsmen, including myself would end up down the pitch because the expectation is that in the spirit of the game the ball will be bowled. I feel the MCC laws of the game committee have made a mistake and have effectively turned it into Indoor Cricket.

I've seen it happen quite a lot. One of the biggest problem areas has been T20 cricket, in the big bash it is not uncommon to see players several strides down the pitch before the ball has been bowled, particularly at the death when you see them running byes on deliveries that go through to the keeper. We have quite a few offenders in the Australian scene, most notably tail-enders but also Jordan Silk for example. Something had to be done because it had gone way too far.

 

[11kgm]

Yeah focus on the media. Ignore the boos from the ticket-paying public.

15k people attended the game, biggest-ever crowd for a women's bilateral fixture in England by far. They were ripped off, because nobody actually thinks it's good for the game to trade thrilling conclusions decided by skill in exchange for... whatever nonsense this was.

A clear breach of the rules, same if the batsman bats out of their crease by 2 metres and gets stumped should they get a warning no

 

[frankrizzo]

She got done and cried and everyone in the English media went poor lamb, it's not in the spirit shame on you India

Overall she seemed to handle it better than media and certainly better than ones like jimmy and broad, funny those two of all people questioning spirit of the game, broad doesn't even respect umpires enough to appeal when he thinks its out and both still just walk right off the field when their 7 over spell is done go put their feet up 30 minutes or an hour while a specialist fielder takes their spot in tests.

 

[frankrizzo]

Yeah focus on the media. Ignore the boos from the ticket-paying public.

15k people attended the game, biggest-ever crowd for a women's bilateral fixture in England by far. They were ripped off, because nobody actually thinks it's good for the game to trade thrilling conclusions decided by skill in exchange for... whatever nonsense this was.

Pretty mixed really sounds like more cheers than boo's to me overall. how many of the 15k are indian fans? must be big percentage.

 

[Taylor]

If it's alright to run them out then it's also alright to take off at a sprint to steal a single from a block. Sometimes it will work, most of the time you'll be run out.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Pretty mixed really sounds like more cheers than boo's to me overall. how many of the 15k are indian fans? must be big percentage.

There wouldn't have been any booing if Deepti Sharma just got the no.11 out via bowled or caught.

And yes the booing would have been even louder if it was India on the receiving end, no doubt about that.

 

[Father Jack]

For the record, this is the view of Sir Donald Bradman.

For the record, Sir Donald defended Mankad himself, noting in his biography, “For the life of me, I can’t understand why [the press] questioned his sportsmanship. The laws of cricket make it quite clear that the non-striker must keep within his ground until the ball has been delivered. If not, why is the provision there which enables the bowler to run him out? By backing up too far or too early, the non-striker is very obviously gaining an unfair advantage.”

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