Martin, Hogan or someone else?

[AS211]

Who's they?

I never held Watts up on a pedestal, I'm always concerned when a player has questionable attack on the ball, that's almost an instinct and is impossible to train into a player.

Watching Hogan, he's already as physically ready as Watts and attacks contests like Jono Brown.

Priceless.

 

[pavsbootlace]

I wasn't trying to have a go. I just think it's a big call to say that he WILL become THE premier forward of the comp. I'd be super stoked to have Jesse in purple, but to put that kind of expectation on a kid who's still a year to young to get drafted is a bit unrealistic I reckon.

Martin and Hogan could both become superstars. But they could also become Tambling and Watts. It's all just guesswork.

 

[apuchar]

A friend of mine had a beer over east with recruiting expert Kevin Sheehan who, for what it's worth, rates Jesse Hogan as the best 17 year old talent coming out of WA. I understand Hogan comes from a very steady family background, is a standout player from Hale School & at 193cm he's already taller than Matthew Pavlich.

Pav is getting on & we've stuffed our KPF draft choices in recent years. Every time I see Jack Darling dominating (& imagine how much better Freo would be if we'd taken him over Pitt), it reminds me how much we need some good tall FWDs.

I think it's obvious that KPFs are a far more pressing need for Freo than skinny, flashy kids (especially ones coming from families with questionable loyalty / values). Not to mention the scarcity factor of talented Key Forwards, compared to midfielders.

For me, Jesse Hogan, followed by Mason Shaw.

Dominating??? Would have thought contributing mostly with the odd good game. Pitt will take a bit longer because of his lack of weight. Time will tell how they will compare.

 

[Taylor]

Will 191cm be key forward height in five years?

If my kids are the same height over me as I am my own dad, there will be 7ft young men playing midfield. That might be a bit extreme, but the difference between some of the best midfielders in the game and some of the shorter "key forwards" amounts to the width of a couple of fingers.

Shaw is a taller body, all abilities being even, he won't be undersized at the end of his career. From what I understand Hogan isn't as tall, taller than Darling though.

 

[chinggis77]

Don't think it's short sighted at all.

Martin has been the best for the last two seasons now, just because someone else comes along it doesn't mean that will change in the future. Hogan might well be the premier KPF at some point, but Martin could be the premier player in the AFL.

It's not like I'd be disappointed with Hogan, just that Martin has always been my preference.

Debatable whether Martin has been the best for the last two seasons. Hogan has outperformed him in spades in the colts and dominated some games last year.

In any case, it doesn´t matter if he is one or two in the mini draft. As long as we get Hogan, who fills a need and allows us to go best available in the main draft.

 

[Swan Districts Kid]

I thought Crameri & Hurley provided a good demonstration tonight of the benefit of recruiting specialist tall fwds that can take a strong mark under pressure. Gosh we need some tall talent.

 

[free at last]

I thought Crameri & Hurley provided a good demonstration tonight of the benefit of recruiting specialist tall fwds that can take a strong mark under pressure. Gosh we need some tall talent.

And with some folk comparing hogan to Hurley, to me it would seem a wise move to pick hogan if we could.

 

[pavsbootlace]

I thought Crameri & Hurley provided a good demonstration tonight of the benefit of recruiting specialist tall fwds that can take a strong mark under pressure. Gosh we need some tall talent.

I would have thought that last night demonstrated the importance of midfielders who can deliver the ball inside 50 with precision. No forward in the league would've kicked goals for us in the last quarter.

 

[free at last]

I would have thought that last night demonstrated the importance of midfielders who can deliver the ball inside 50 with precision. No forward in the league would've kicked goals for us in the last quarter.

Harping on the point, but when pav retires in the next couple of years we'll have no power forwards capable of filling his shoes, which pisses me off.

 

[pavsbootlace]

Harping on the point, but when pav retires in the next couple of years we'll have no power forwards capable of filling his shoes, which pisses me off.

True. Without Pav last night we would have been thrashed.

 

[apuchar]

Truth is we need, a couple of classy midfielder's and a couple of tall forwards. Only question is what order we take them.
Our midfield should improve when Sheridan and the likes start making their way into the side and we also have Morabito, Hill, Fyfe to come back into the side and surely Mundy couldn't be this bad next season. So Maybe Hogan will be our man or Mason Shaw as was mentioned in the paper the other day.

 

[Nickos66]

Suffice it to say, will be going postal if we don't get one of Hogan or Shaw.

Just a warning.

 

[apuchar]

Suffice it to say, will be going postal if we don't get one of Hogan or Shaw.

Just a warning.

Goes without saying.

 

[ritz]

I would have thought that last night demonstrated the importance of midfielders who can deliver the ball inside 50 with precision. No forward in the league would've kicked goals for us in the last quarter.

That is true, but as someone else said, imagine if pav wasnt playing.
Our midfield was missing fyfe, mora, hill not to mention the fact Sheridan, sutcliffe, menegola, schloithe et all are not key forwards.

 

[Ysaye]

I think a lot of people forget it is not just Pav that will need replacing (and in a way adding to him - I think having two KP forwards is still important) but also McPharlin. Throwing some effort in getting some KP forwards is important because we might also need to convert some into defenders as well. Much more important than midfielders.

Even if you accept that Pitt is a bust (which I haven't just yet) Sheridan has been recruited as that kind of Bastinac style inside midfielder, and I am sure Croziers end position is probably as an outside receiver midfielder/Flanker IN OUR BEST 22. Both are looking promising at this stage. Fitness to Mundy, Morabito and Fyfe, as well as the improvement that we have already seen from DeBoer and the midfield plus backups looks more covered. There is more talent in that part of the ground than a few of the sides in the top six have - but there is more improvement that can be gained by Ross Lyon and even better understanding of the gameplay and refinement on his end.

But we can't make it without at least a couple of High end KP players, whether it is one at each end or two in the forward line.

 

[Paracleet]

snip

Even if you accept that Pitt is a bust (which I haven't just yet) Sheridan has been recruited as that kind of Bastinac style inside midfielder, and I am sure Croziers end position is probably as an outside receiver midfielder/Flanker IN OUR BEST 22. Both are looking promising at this stage. /snip .

Was it Pitt I saw diving in head first for the footy towards (was inside the dons F50) the end of the game Saturday? Or Crozier? Either way it was encouaging.

 

[Lach72]

Was it Pitt I saw diving in head first for the footy towards (was inside the dons F50) the end of the game Saturday? Or Crozier? Either way it was encouaging.

It was Pitt

 

[Lach72]

I think a lot of people forget it is not just Pav that will need replacing (and in a way adding to him - I think having two KP forwards is still important) but also McPharlin. Throwing some effort in getting some KP forwards is important because we might also need to convert some into defenders as well. Much more important than midfielders.

Even if you accept that Pitt is a bust (which I haven't just yet) Sheridan has been recruited as that kind of Bastinac style inside midfielder, and I am sure Croziers end position is probably as an outside receiver midfielder/Flanker IN OUR BEST 22. Both are looking promising at this stage. Fitness to Mundy, Morabito and Fyfe, as well as the improvement that we have already seen from DeBoer and the midfield plus backups looks more covered. There is more talent in that part of the ground than a few of the sides in the top six have - but there is more improvement that can be gained by Ross Lyon and even better understanding of the gameplay and refinement on his end.

But we can't make it without at least a couple of High end KP players, whether it is one at each end or two in the forward line.

I wouldn't mind if we grabbed Hogan and Shaw and went for mids from the second round onwards.

 

[Ysaye]

I wouldn't mind if we grabbed Hogan and Shaw and went for mids from the second round onwards.

Thing is, Hogan is going as a mini draft pick, and I have no idea how we are going to get one of those. The only thing I can think of is someone like Zak Clarke or Lachie Neale (Could you bear that?) and maybe a second rounder. Or we have to upgrade our first round pick (which I am guessing would be 6-12) to something in the top 3 and then on trade to GWS. to be honest assuming Gold Coast finish last, then I can see Melbourne or Port trading their first pick for a mini draft pick similar to last year because it means for GWS they are going to have more choice/ flexibility in the upcoming draft and Melbourne / Port get (close to the) top 2 picks of next year (Melbourne could use a player like Martin, both from a talent point of view and a marketing side).

I think we should play it simple and just hold onto our first round pick - we will most likely have one of Shaw or Stringer fall to us, which means we will get one very good potential player. I wouldn't be adverse to going for Paperone later as well, depending on whether he gets to our pick or not.

Not saying Martin or Hogan aren't players that every team wouldn't want (apologies for the double negative) but we are just not realistically in the race unless we sell half the farm.

 

[Lach72]

You're forgetting Craig Moller, who from his manager's interview in the West after he signed on as a rookie for us last week, seems well prepared for the fact that he may be at GWS next year

 

[Freo Shark]

You're forgetting Craig Moller, who from his manager's interview in the West after he signed on as a rookie for us last week, seems well prepared for the fact that he may be at GWS next year

Appears as if its the foundation of a deal ( Mollers favor to Freo) but what exactly is he worth ? unless he is top 10 hes no real currency towards attaining a mini draft pick.

 

[DR JAY]

You're forgetting Craig Moller, who from his manager's interview in the West after he signed on as a rookie for us last week, seems well prepared for the fact that he may be at GWS next year

Thats what managers say, i can't see freo wanting to get rid of him. Watched him train a few times at GWS ,trained as ruckman ,CHF,CHB. He cankick goals at high level compition. Who knows what his trade value is but i reckon freo signed so early to make sure that if there was to be atrade that freo would get alot for him. Funny how it came out after Ross & the recruiters had there meeting after the bye.