Preview The Grand Final Edition 🏆🏉 👊 Collingwood vs Brisbane, 2023

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Finnishpie

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There’s an uncertainty that people experience when they have suffered from gaslighting. You can see reality, clear as day in front of you. And then there’s someone, almost always in a position of power above you, telling you it just isn’t so. White is black, up is down, Maynard didn’t get blocked in the 2018 Grand Final, and Darcy Moore wasn’t pushed in the back in last year’s prelim.

Uncertainty lingers and returns when you're back in similar conditions:

The truth is, with each week, I’ve become less certain the footy results – it’s the trauma of my memories as a really little kid around 1980, the loss in 2002 by a whisker when Chris Tarrant was monstered in that last quarter and received no frees! Then 2003 as the year we were “meant” to win it against the Lions. It was our time. We were a better team than the one that lost the year before by a whisker – instead we were flogged in a one-sided affair. Let's not mention recent years.

Of course, there was 1990 and 2010, when justice was done as counterweights.

So I’m split between the black and white sides of my Magpie Heart:

The Black Side: We’ve been the best team over the year. There’s no reason we can’t take another step back to our best. The Lions are playing in Melbourne. It’s our home ground. We’ve had an extra day to recover.

The White Side: McStay has been everything we’ve asked in the last couple of months and now he’s gone. We’re a touch slow. Our best form is still elusive. We’ve become a bit like Melbourne really: sloggers.

Since we don’t know about selection, we’ll have to make some guesses:

Brisbane are an attacking behemoth. There are dangers everywhere. Their forward line is stacked. They move the ball with lightning speed. Mobility is their watchword. Darcy Moore can go with either Daniher or Hipwood, but Murphy and Howe are undersized. Murphy might not quite have the speed to match them either. So, unless Frampton comes in, we’ll be relying on team defence and midfield pressure. I’d say Quaynor takes Charlie Cameron, since he has the pace and one-on-one skill.

The battle of the midfields will be something to behold. DeGoey has always been an elite finals performer and damn did he prove it in the Prelim. There’s no one who can match it with him when he plays like that. Dunkley won’t have the speed. Nick Daicos will probably spend a lot of time in the centre, and he gives us the elite touch. Pendles the experience. Mitchell the hardness, even if he’s a touch slow. Brisbane have a good spread too and it’ll be a brilliant thing to watch. A lot will come down to the ruck battle, and this might be a problem. Cox is our best ruck now, but he might need to play McStay’s role in the forward line. That gives me concerns both forward and with Cameron against the Big O in the ruck.

Because our forward line hasn’t exactly been firing. Admittedly, that’s because we’ve had to change our game plan as other teams flooded the centre corridor to stop our run. So we use the wings more and are slower. And that means we score less. The fate of Jamie Elliot in recent games is evidence enough for that. The slow transition and long kick into the forward line for a marking target requires someone to play McStay’s role.

Otherwise we need to go small and fast and try to recapture our early season form and style. Remember that for the first half of the year we were missing our rucks AND McStay. Does this suggest we should go smaller, bring in Ginnivan or Noble or Adams (the last unlikely) and try to bring back the breakneck pace? Is it too much to ask at this point in the season? A smaller forward line risks letting the Brisbane interceptors – Andrews particularly – to take control. But a taller structure encourages the slowness.

Everyone in the footy world has been debating bits of all this already and it’ll go on all week. I don’t really think there’s much new I have to offer.

For my part, I’d bring in Ginnivan to the starting team and play Noble as the sub. I’d rely on Mihocek and the resting ruckman to play key forwards and Elliot to play his typical “small full forward” role. But there are arguments for going every way.

Since there’s not much original for me to say, I’ll leave it there and say:

The Washup

The Pies to alleviate my trauma (which isn't really trauma, let's face it) with a tight win, by 9 points, and to redress at least some of the balance from 2002 and 2003. And for the Magpie fanatics, not least here on Bogfooty, to get some just desserts. We all deserve it.

And one final thing: That’s it from me folks. A full year of previews. I hope I’ve given some value, cracked a few jokes, made it entertaining as well as thoughtful. I’m now retiring from the job – so that’s all from Finnishpie in this capacity. Fly well my Magpie brethren!
 

Vicky Park

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And one final thing: That’s it from me folks. A full year of previews. I hope I’ve given some value, cracked a few jokes, made it entertaining as well as thoughtful. I’m now retiring from the job – so that’s all from Finnishpie in this capacity. Fly well my Magpie brethren!

Sorry to see you’ve retired from the previews, as you’ve been very good at them. I’d be happy to give you a glowing reference if you applied for the job again next year.

In terms of feedback, your start to the year was a bit tentative, perhaps because like many of us you were not sure we were that good. The media still don’t think we’re that good!

Then as the team got going, you refused to descend to hyperbole and insisted on being balanced and measured. 10 out of 10 for that.

But balanced and measured is so Round 1. It’s time to go nuts, to go full Eddie. Pies will hammer the Lions. We’ll tilt the G to our end and swarm all over them. Flyball will prevail.
 

Finnishpie

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Sorry to see you’ve retired from the previews, as you’ve been very good at them. I’d be happy to give you a glowing reference if you applied for the job again next year.

In terms of feedback, your start to the year was a bit tentative, perhaps because like many of us you were not sure we were that good. The media still don’t think we’re that good!

Then as the team got going, you refused to descend to hyperbole and insisted on being balanced and measured. 10 out of 10 for that.

But balanced and measured is so Round 1. It’s time to go nuts, to go full Eddie. Pies will hammer the Lions. We’ll tilt the G to our end and swarm all over them. Flyball will prevail.

Thanks VP, and good feedback.

At the start of the year I definitely didn't think we were that good.

I will consider renominating next year, but I think it's unlikely.

But thanks again.
 

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Jen2310

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HS predictions.

MARK ROBINSON​

COLLINGWOOD
Can’t be mucking around with the structure on GF day. Pies need the secondary tall to compete in the air and to keep Harris Andrews busy. Adams is too much of a risk
Ins: Billy Frampton
Outs: Dan McStay
Sub: Jack Ginnivan
BRISBANE
Chris Fagan has already said he won’t play injured players, so Paine misses and Gardiner stays in. If Payne did play, they’d need a defensive sub in case he falls over. That ain’t going to happen.
Unchanged
Sub: Jarryd Lyons

Who comes in for the injured Dan McStay? Picture: Andrew Henshaw

JON RALPH​

COLLINGWOOD
The Pies have won two finals with 60 and 58 points but must score more to win against Brisbane. So it’s Jeremy Howe forward with Billy Frampton into the team i defence. But Taylor Adams (hamstring) misses out. Pat Lipinski keeps his spot.
Ins: Billy Frampton
Outs: Dan McStay
Sub: Jack Ginnivan

BRISBANE
Jack Payne was never going to play against Carlton. With Darcy Gardiner in such good form they can’t risk Payne if he’s anywhere less than 90 per cent. So no change, as tough as that is on the improved Payne.
Unchanged
Sub: Jarryd Lyons

LAUREN WOOD​

COLLINGWOOD
Some say no risk, no reward, but when it comes to premiership deciders, there’s more often than not nothing to gain from rolling the dice. Sorry, Taylor Adams, it’s just too tight of a call to be making against a rampant Brisbane side. Look at Sam Reid and Phil Davis, while Geelong made the tough call on Max Holmes this week last year and it paid off. You have to keep the balance of the side which means McRae will have to think about Billy Frampton.
Ins: Jack Ginnivan
Outs: Dan McStay
Sub: John Noble
BRISBANE
Like many grand final weeks before, it’s all eyes on a fitness test - this time Jack Payne. It’ll be all-or-nothing as he puts that ankle through its paces and if there’s even a hint of any issue, Chris Fagan has little choice but to leave him out.
Ins: Jack Payne (only if 100 per cent fit)
Outs: Darcy Gardiner
Sub: Jarryd Lyons


SIMEON THOMAS-WILSON​

COLLINGWOOD
Billy Frampton’s wild ride of a career should continue with a grand final gig. The Pies shouldn’t change their team balance so it should be Frampton time. History tells us it is the wrong move to play a player with a soft tissue issue in the grand final so as much as it will hurt Adams should not come in.
Ins: Billy Frampton
Outs: Dan McStay
Sub: Jack Ginnivan

BRISBANE
Jack Payne is going to be extremely unlucky to miss out but Darcy Gardiner was great against Carlton and should hold his spot in the Lions side. The only other question for the Lions looks to be around who will be their sub. Is Jarryd Lyons a gamechanger off the bench?
Unchanged
Sub: Jarryd Lyons

Does Jack Ginnivan find a spot in Collingwood’s starting 22 or remain the sub? Picture: Michael Klein

JOSH BARNES​

COLLINGWOOD
Craig McRae’s call to go tall a month ago and stick with two rucks has the Pies perfectly placed to weather the Dan McStay storm. Mason Cox and Darcy Cameron should spend a little more time forward, while Jack Ginnivan should replace McStay as a goalkicking option. If fit, Taylor Adams would be an excellent option as the sub, to come on and wreak havoc in the final term.
In: Jack Ginnivan
Out: Dan McStay
Sub: Taylor Adams
BRISBANE LIONS
It’s simply too much of a risk to throw Jack Payne into the defence on a bum ankle. Especially when Darcy Gardiner is more than capable of covering for him down back. And the Lions don’t need grand final specialist Jack Gunston either. Chris Fagan has locked Jarryd Lyons in as his preferred sub given his ball winning ability so no need to make a change there.
Unchanged
Sub: Jarryd Lyons

Does [PLAYERCARD]John Noble[/PLAYERCARD] make it back into Collingwood’s team. Picture: Michael Klein.

GLENN McFARLANE​

COLLINGWOOD
In: Jack Ginnivan
Out: Dan McStay
Sub: John Noble
Such a tough selection week at Collingwood with all eyes on Taylor Adams who will push it to the line to try to prove he has recovered from his minor hamstring strain. The heart says yes he can do it. The head fears it could be a gamble which could backfire. We will know more on Thursday. Then it comes down to Dan McStay’s replacement. It’s Billy Frampton or John Noble. Suspect the Pies might choose to go with a smaller forward line to not change the backline structure and with the weather set to be hot, they can try to run the Lions off their legs.

BRISBANE LIONS
Unchanged
Sub: Jarryd Lyons
Jack Payne is pushing to play after missing last week’s clash with an ankle injury, but it will be touch and go. Danny Daly said Payne was 70 per cent last Sunday. But unless he is 100 per cent, he won't be playing. Again, this will come down to Thursday’s main session. If he doesn’t get up, we saw last week how Darcy Gardiner can perform under pressure.


SAM LANDSBERGER​

COLLINGWOOD
The temptation would be to go like-for-like and play big Billy Frampton to retain the same structure. But that is too risky, so promote Ginnivan into the starting 22 with the knowledge you can move Jeremy Howe or Will Hoskin-Elliott forward if things aren’t working. John Noble could then come on as the seventh defender. On a hot day (forecast 28C) you will need run, run and more run.
Ins: Jack Ginnivan
Outs: Dan McStay
Sub: John Noble
BRISBANE
Ins: Jack Payne
Outs: Darcy Gardiner
Sub: Jarryd Lyons
Ross Lyon said it best before his final when he spoke about having loyalty to those who had done the job all year. Well, at the Lions that is Payne, and with his ankle injury likely to heal he has earned a place in the grand final team. It is a tough call given Gardiner got the job done on Charlie Curnow. But that’s finals football.

Could [PLAYERCARD]Billy Frampton[/PLAYERCARD] be the lucky Pie who comes in for the injured Dan McStay? Picture: Daniel Pockett/Getty Images

LACHLAN McKIRDY​

COLLINGWOOD
The Pies can thank Dan McStay for their place in the grand final as he looked like their most dangerous forward against the Giants and replacing him will be no easy task. Rather than bring in another tall, going small could be the way to go. Jack Ginnivan has looked strong in recent weeks and deserves more of a chance to impact the game. Hopefully, Taylor Adams will be able to return for the grand final.
Ins: Jack Ginnivan, Taylor Adams
Outs: Dan McStay, Pat Lipinski
Sub: Pat Lipinski

BRISBANE
It will be a big decision to make for the Lions and Chris Fagan if Jack Payne is fit. Darcy Gardiner was impressive and surely has locked his place in the side, so Payne would have to come into the team for someone else. Unfortunately for him, the Lions will probably favour having a 100 per cent fit team and leave him watching on from the sidelines against the Pies.
Unchanged
Sub: Jarryd Lyons
 

The Magnificent Seven

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The gaslighting is real. And I still think I'm affected by that watching some of the games this year, believing we're going to lose despite evidence that we've worked out ways to win more often than not.

If the Blues did anything, they did us a favour. They showed us how vulnerable Lions are when they lose first use and get more pressure than a firehose. That first quarter, they played like... well... US! Dirty, scrappy, desperate ballwinning and hacking it forward to create opportunities.

Unfortunately they ran out of gas, lost that manic pressure and fell victim to the same Lions ability to transition accurately through the midfield to allow their forwards to lead up.

I feel like we can replicate that Q1 pressure but also maintain a defensive pressure that will stifle and repel those forward entries. It just relies a little on having a ruck or tall-ish defender who can fall back quickly to fill space and/or intercept. Most likely Howe. But Cameron was doing a good job at just being a tall semi-mobile presence in our PF.

If our forward line is going to function, we need the forwards to all lead to different spots to stop Andrews and Coleman easily picking off/guessing the inside 50 kick. Hopefully we use Hill, Jaicos, WHE, Sidebum to surge forward and become targets to bolster our attack because I just see Mihocek and Elliot getting strangled.

1990 - Win
2002 - Loss
2003 - Loss
2010 - Win
2011 - Loss
2018 - Loss
2023 - (Well let's see if the pattern continues)

Go Pies and kudos to you Finnishpie for sterling previews
 

ThePheonix

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There’s an uncertainty that people experience when they have suffered from gaslighting. You can see reality, clear as day in front of you. And then there’s someone, almost always in a position of power above you, telling you it just isn’t so. White is black, up is down, Maynard didn’t get blocked in the 2018 Grand Final, and Darcy Moore wasn’t pushed in the back in last year’s prelim.

Uncertainty lingers and returns when you're back in similar conditions:

The truth is, with each week, I’ve become less certain the footy results – it’s the trauma of my memories as a really little kid around 1980, the loss in 2002 by a whisker when Chris Tarrant was monstered in that last quarter and received no frees! Then 2003 as the year we were “meant” to win it against the Lions. It was our time. We were a better team than the one that lost the year before by a whisker – instead we were flogged in a one-sided affair. Let's not mention recent years.

Of course, there was 1990 and 2010, when justice was done as counterweights.

So I’m split between the black and white sides of my Magpie Heart:

The Black Side: We’ve been the best team over the year. There’s no reason we can’t take another step back to our best. The Lions are playing in Melbourne. It’s our home ground. We’ve had an extra day to recover.

The White Side: McStay has been everything we’ve asked in the last couple of months and now he’s gone. We’re a touch slow. Our best form is still elusive. We’ve become a bit like Melbourne really: sloggers.

Since we don’t know about selection, we’ll have to make some guesses:

Brisbane are an attacking behemoth. There are dangers everywhere. Their forward line is stacked. They move the ball with lightning speed. Mobility is their watchword. Darcy Moore can go with either Daniher or Hipwood, but Murphy and Howe are undersized. Murphy might not quite have the speed to match them either. So, unless Frampton comes in, we’ll be relying on team defence and midfield pressure. I’d say Quaynor takes Charlie Cameron, since he has the pace and one-on-one skill.

The battle of the midfields will be something to behold. DeGoey has always been an elite finals performer and damn did he prove it in the Prelim. There’s no one who can match it with him when he plays like that. Dunkley won’t have the speed. Nick Daicos will probably spend a lot of time in the centre, and he gives us the elite touch. Pendles the experience. Mitchell the hardness, even if he’s a touch slow. Brisbane have a good spread too and it’ll be a brilliant thing to watch. A lot will come down to the ruck battle, and this might be a problem. Cox is our best ruck now, but he might need to play McStay’s role in the forward line. That gives me concerns both forward and with Cameron against the Big O in the ruck.

Because our forward line hasn’t exactly been firing. Admittedly, that’s because we’ve had to change our game plan as other teams flooded the centre corridor to stop our run. So we use the wings more and are slower. And that means we score less. The fate of Jamie Elliot in recent games is evidence enough for that. The slow transition and long kick into the forward line for a marking target requires someone to play McStay’s role.

Otherwise we need to go small and fast and try to recapture our early season form and style. Remember that for the first half of the year we were missing our rucks AND McStay. Does this suggest we should go smaller, bring in Ginnivan or Noble or Adams (the last unlikely) and try to bring back the breakneck pace? Is it too much to ask at this point in the season? A smaller forward line risks letting the Brisbane interceptors – Andrews particularly – to take control. But a taller structure encourages the slowness.

Everyone in the footy world has been debating bits of all this already and it’ll go on all week. I don’t really think there’s much new I have to offer.

For my part, I’d bring in Ginnivan to the starting team and play Noble as the sub. I’d rely on Mihocek and the resting ruckman to play key forwards and Elliot to play his typical “small full forward” role. But there are arguments for going every way.

Since there’s not much original for me to say, I’ll leave it there and say:

The Washup

The Pies to alleviate my trauma (which isn't really trauma, let's face it) with a tight win, by 9 points, and to redress at least some of the balance from 2002 and 2003. And for the Magpie fanatics, not least here on Bogfooty, to get some just desserts. We all deserve it.

And one final thing: That’s it from me folks. A full year of previews. I hope I’ve given some value, cracked a few jokes, made it entertaining as well as thoughtful. I’m now retiring from the job – so that’s all from Finnishpie in this capacity. Fly well my Magpie brethren!
The amount of effort you put into this is extremely impressive.
 

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Adams officially ruled out

:(

Just watching the game against Gold Coast to get a sense of how Cameron, Cox and Frampton might work together. Frampton late in Q1 and then in Q3 appears to have been tasked with occupying Ballard, who at the time was the #1 intercept mark in the game.

De Goey, Sidebottom and Ginnivan didn’t play, and McStay wasn’t back yet, but Harrison, Noble and Adams were there.
 
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LuckyLee

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Bummer. Tay gonzo. Feel for him, McStay and Noble. All deserving to play in a GF.

Adams is built for Finals. A big out. Would have been a great match-up for Kiddy Coleman.

Lipinski definitely staying in the team now.

OUT McStay
IN Frampton (but does he play forward or back?)
SUB Ginni


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Kirby

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That narrows it down to 24. 21 from last week certain to be in starting 22. Ginnivan , Frampton , Noble - one starts , one sub and one misses. No point mentioning anyone else.
That seems pretty solid logic.
 

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The gaslighting is real. And I still think I'm affected by that watching some of the games this year, believing we're going to lose despite evidence that we've worked out ways to win more often than not.

If the Blues did anything, they did us a favour. They showed us how vulnerable Lions are when they lose first use and get more pressure than a firehose. That first quarter, they played like... well... US! Dirty, scrappy, desperate ballwinning and hacking it forward to create opportunities.

Unfortunately they ran out of gas, lost that manic pressure and fell victim to the same Lions ability to transition accurately through the midfield to allow their forwards to lead up.

I feel like we can replicate that Q1 pressure but also maintain a defensive pressure that will stifle and repel those forward entries. It just relies a little on having a ruck or tall-ish defender who can fall back quickly to fill space and/or intercept. Most likely Howe. But Cameron was doing a good job at just being a tall semi-mobile presence in our PF.

If our forward line is going to function, we need the forwards to all lead to different spots to stop Andrews and Coleman easily picking off/guessing the inside 50 kick. Hopefully we use Hill, Jaicos, WHE, Sidebum to surge forward and become targets to bolster our attack because I just see Mihocek and Elliot getting strangled.

1990 - Win
2002 - Loss
2003 - Loss
2010 - Win
2011 - Loss
2018 - Loss
2023 - (Well let's see if the pattern continues)

Go Pies and kudos to you Finnishpie for sterling previews

Coleman didn’t have an opponent on Saturday. Set up a lot of their forward entries. Won’t happen in the GF


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Cory

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Bummer. Tay gonzo. Feel for him, McStay and Noble. All deserving to play in a GF.

Adams is built for Finals. A big out. Would have been a great match-up for Kiddy Coleman.

Lipinski definitely staying in the team now.

OUT McStay
IN Frampton (but does he play forward or back?)
SUB Ginni


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I’d say Frampton replaces McStay as a forward. As well as a break glass in case of emergency if Moore/Howe/Murphy go down
 

LuckyLee

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So it now looks almost certain that Frampton is the replacement for McStay.

We’ll miss Adams’ hardness and combativeness. Others will just have to step up.

I’m guessing Frampton starts forward. If that’s not working he swaps with Howe or is subbed out for Ginni. Not a bad inclusion from a structural and flexibility point of view.

I’d love to see him mark and goal in Q1 to settle the nerves and ask a few questions of the Lions’ backs.


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jmac70

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There’s an uncertainty that people experience when they have suffered from gaslighting. You can see reality, clear as day in front of you. And then there’s someone, almost always in a position of power above you, telling you it just isn’t so. White is black, up is down, Maynard didn’t get blocked in the 2018 Grand Final, and Darcy Moore wasn’t pushed in the back in last year’s prelim.

Uncertainty lingers and returns when you're back in similar conditions:

The truth is, with each week, I’ve become less certain the footy results – it’s the trauma of my memories as a really little kid around 1980, the loss in 2002 by a whisker when Chris Tarrant was monstered in that last quarter and received no frees! Then 2003 as the year we were “meant” to win it against the Lions. It was our time. We were a better team than the one that lost the year before by a whisker – instead we were flogged in a one-sided affair. Let's not mention recent years.

Of course, there was 1990 and 2010, when justice was done as counterweights.

So I’m split between the black and white sides of my Magpie Heart:

The Black Side: We’ve been the best team over the year. There’s no reason we can’t take another step back to our best. The Lions are playing in Melbourne. It’s our home ground. We’ve had an extra day to recover.

The White Side: McStay has been everything we’ve asked in the last couple of months and now he’s gone. We’re a touch slow. Our best form is still elusive. We’ve become a bit like Melbourne really: sloggers.

Since we don’t know about selection, we’ll have to make some guesses:

Brisbane are an attacking behemoth. There are dangers everywhere. Their forward line is stacked. They move the ball with lightning speed. Mobility is their watchword. Darcy Moore can go with either Daniher or Hipwood, but Murphy and Howe are undersized. Murphy might not quite have the speed to match them either. So, unless Frampton comes in, we’ll be relying on team defence and midfield pressure. I’d say Quaynor takes Charlie Cameron, since he has the pace and one-on-one skill.

The battle of the midfields will be something to behold. DeGoey has always been an elite finals performer and damn did he prove it in the Prelim. There’s no one who can match it with him when he plays like that. Dunkley won’t have the speed. Nick Daicos will probably spend a lot of time in the centre, and he gives us the elite touch. Pendles the experience. Mitchell the hardness, even if he’s a touch slow. Brisbane have a good spread too and it’ll be a brilliant thing to watch. A lot will come down to the ruck battle, and this might be a problem. Cox is our best ruck now, but he might need to play McStay’s role in the forward line. That gives me concerns both forward and with Cameron against the Big O in the ruck.

Because our forward line hasn’t exactly been firing. Admittedly, that’s because we’ve had to change our game plan as other teams flooded the centre corridor to stop our run. So we use the wings more and are slower. And that means we score less. The fate of Jamie Elliot in recent games is evidence enough for that. The slow transition and long kick into the forward line for a marking target requires someone to play McStay’s role.

Otherwise we need to go small and fast and try to recapture our early season form and style. Remember that for the first half of the year we were missing our rucks AND McStay. Does this suggest we should go smaller, bring in Ginnivan or Noble or Adams (the last unlikely) and try to bring back the breakneck pace? Is it too much to ask at this point in the season? A smaller forward line risks letting the Brisbane interceptors – Andrews particularly – to take control. But a taller structure encourages the slowness.

Everyone in the footy world has been debating bits of all this already and it’ll go on all week. I don’t really think there’s much new I have to offer.

For my part, I’d bring in Ginnivan to the starting team and play Noble as the sub. I’d rely on Mihocek and the resting ruckman to play key forwards and Elliot to play his typical “small full forward” role. But there are arguments for going every way.

Since there’s not much original for me to say, I’ll leave it there and say:

The Washup

The Pies to alleviate my trauma (which isn't really trauma, let's face it) with a tight win, by 9 points, and to redress at least some of the balance from 2002 and 2003. And for the Magpie fanatics, not least here on Bogfooty, to get some just desserts. We all deserve it.

And one final thing: That’s it from me folks. A full year of previews. I hope I’ve given some value, cracked a few jokes, made it entertaining as well as thoughtful. I’m now retiring from the job – so that’s all from Finnishpie in this capacity. Fly well my Magpie brethren!
Incredible stuff mate, thank you.
 

ElliottsMaggies

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:(

Just watching the game against Gold Coast to get a sense of how Cameron, Cox and Frampton might work together. Frampton late in Q1 and then in Q2-3 appears to have been tasked with occupying Ballard, who at the time was the #1 intercept mark in the game.

De Goey, Sidebottom and Ginnivan didn’t play, and McStay wasn’t back yet, but Harrison, Noble and Adams were there.
That's what I think too...we won't be relying on Frampton to score goals himself so much, of course if he does, that's a bonus..but more to take a defender, Andrews preferably..bring the ball to ground, tap it to the forwards, give Cox & Cameron a rest when required...

Be the ultimate role player, which he has done extremely well when asked throughout the year.
 
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