Uncontracted Tim Kelly

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Development is irrelevant to a decision. Gees you are really reaching with that argument. Because geelong didnt develop him west coast should get him cheaper. Yay lucky for west coast.
Well it is a line clubs trot out. 'We expect to be compensated for the years the club has invested in player xx'.

At the end of the day its just posturing and chest beating. Just like evwryone on here.
 

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Development is irrelevant to a decision. Gees you are really reaching with that argument. Because geelong didnt develop him west coast should get him cheaper. Yay lucky for west coast.
That's a tangent argument.

Geelong gave up pick 24 and ~$200k to get Kelly and got an immediate return. If Kelly retired at the end of the season at age 25 would you consider 45-50 good games a bad return on that pick?

West Coast gave up pick 21 for Oscar Allen and an initial ~$200k plus re-signed him for a further two years for probably $150-200k per season. Currently Allen has shown glimpses at AFL level but clearly isn't the finished product. Say he follows Josh Kennedy's timeline and becomes a star in his 6th season (same age Kelly was last year), do you reckon West Coast wouldn't place a value on the time and salary cap space devoted to getting the player to where he is at that point?

How about Jaeger O'Meara? Hawthorn gave up a future first round pick, future second round pick, pick 23 and pick 36 to get him across from Gold Coast. Did nothing in his first year and then had a good second year. You reckon they don't have a value on what they invested in him to get him to where he is now?

It's entirely separate to what West Coast should/would pay for Kelly. If the above wasn't applicable in the AFL system then Jordan Clark being a first round pick and contracted beyond next year would have zero value because at 19 he isn't one of your best 5-10 players.
 

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Danger was a free agent and kelly isnt. Danger was older as well.
Dangerfield was 25 in 2015. Kelly is 25 in 2019.

Who cares about free agency? It's not Adelaide invested anything drafting and developing a player is it? :)
 

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Danger was a free agent and kelly isnt. Danger was older as well.
You mean he was out of contract. Because if he was free, he would have gone for free.

Same age buddy. Danger was 25, Tim kelly will be 25.

Try again
 
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Not for a king's ransom
It's possible though not necessarily likely that WC and Freo showed their best hands last year. Trade negotiations and salary cap planning don't start up each October. They do this stuff years in advance.

WC (and Freo) don't actually owe Kelly or Geelong anything. Geelong knew that if they did not trade in 2018 that they ran the risk of being in a lesser bargaining position in 2019 with an OCC player should a second trade request be made. WC knew that if they did not trade in 2019 that it gave Geelong another 12 months to convince the player to stay and that the player improving could lead to the asking price being raised. That's all well and good but nothing has actually changed at WC's end. The endless (mostly fan driven) inflation has a ceiling whether it's practical or simply the club saying it's too much. Not trading because the price is too high isn't a big deal but people get funny about it.
 

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If he goes to WC the contract that he is offered by them will be a determining factor as to what type of trade value he has. If he's offered north of $750K a year, which appears to be what the jungle drums are saying, then WC need to cough up with a trade that is commensurate to a player that they clearly rate.
 

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Yeah so he had no extra way of getting to Geelong that are not available to kelly apart from Money which Geelong didn’t have.
Geelong would of just offered money adelaide couldnt match if a low ball trade didnt occur and the crows knew it which is why they accepted unders. This isnt the situation with kelly.
 

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Just like last season. Unless ofcourse kelly wants to risk going to carlton or the gold coast.
He was in contract.

Geelong risk getting nothing? First rounder on table or nothing....hmmmm

Yeah that happens all the tine
 

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Geelong would of just offered money adelaide couldnt match if a low ball trade didnt occur and the crows knew it which is why they accepted unders. This isnt the situation with kelly.
Yeh but they didn’t offer more money. So that’s just speculation.

In the world where afl fears whole draft thing falling over - kelly will get to where he wants.

Couple of extra GMHB games next year to sweeten the deal.

Besides Geelong will have all this cash and needs currency to get other players in. Letting kelly go to draft doesn’t help with that.
 

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If he goes to WC the contract that he is offered by them will be a determining factor as to what type of trade value he has. If he's offered north of $750K a year, which appears to be what the jungle drums are saying, then WC need to cough up with a trade that is commensurate to a player that they clearly rate.
Yep - same with Geelong. Don’t offer 500k and expect two first rounders
 

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Lolololol WCE people still holding onto the dream that TK will walk into the draft
 

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He was in contract.

Geelong risk getting nothing? First rounder on table or nothing....hmmmm

Yeah that happens all the tine
I’m still amazed that posters think players will be walked into the draft. It just doesn’t happen.
 
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