Elixuh
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Vic bias is the afl trying to bring in a mid season trade period which they know will supremely benefit the VFL teams and which will make it even harder for interstate teams to win a flag.
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sr36
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Why?
All the changes they make to drafting and trading benefit the shrewd well run clubs. If you want more equality - stop increasing the flexibility in terms of signings and player movement - not a Vic thing, just a good footy department vs poor footy department thing.
Elixuh
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How do you think a mid season trade period where you can’t force a player to be traded out will go?
It’ll be primarily Vfl teams trading with other Vfl teams. Very few players will want to move their family interstate at a whim.
The consequence will be vfl clubs will be more easily able to patch injury holes midstream, for instance.
List attrition is a good thing.
sr36
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Honestly, I think it'll be like the MSD - not really used for the year ahead, but for the future.
Someone like Bailey Smith moving now for salary cap benefit. Youngsters not getting a game switching 6 months earlier. That sort of thing. Footy's not plug and play anymore - new players have to learn to play the system.
Players are very unlikely to agree to be traded to another state mid season, possibly uprooting theirs and their families lives. Most parents don't like moving their kids mid school year.
It is a bit different in the normal trade period (still difficult, but a bit easier) as then they have more time to possibly sell their house, setup a new school situation for their kids. Midseason draft gives them no time.
Elixuh
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I won’t deal with the problematic mechanics of it which are not relevant to this thread.
Of relevance, imagine there are two top teams and each loses their ruck. One is a VFL team and the other is an interstate team. The VFL team is able to trade for a Goldstein type ruck (ie someone who expressly said they aren’t interested in moving interstate) to fill a hole for the season. The interstate team can’t find anyone willing to move.
VFL team beats interstate team in a big final using that player. That is what’ll happen.
There are 9 VFL clubs in the same city. 1 in Brisbane.
sr36
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There won't be significant player movement.
Elixuh
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There doesn’t have to be significant player movement. That isn’t the point.
When you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail...
sr36
Hall of Famer
I think your paranoia s strong on this one.
I personally don't think the AFL should do it. Dumb clubs will heck up. Just make the SSP signing window all year round.
The biggest thing would be players moving for 3 months late career to play finals. State won't matter in that scenario.
And that includes temporary grandstands like every other sport does. Adelaide oval the same, the hill end would be decked with another temp grandstand across the hill end and get up to the 65k level.Not sure if this has been pointed out but Perth Stadium was built in a way that allows for a capacity upgrade to 70,000 if needed. Is that enough for a GF? Victorians will obviously say no, but the NFL states that in order to host the Super Bowl a venue must have a minimum capacity of 70,000. So Perth Stadium would hypothetically be eligible to host the Super Bowl but probably not in the AFL Grand Final
(BTW, interested in Melbourne struggling with decent Grand Prix crowds, have never gone past 130k race day crowd, still a whole 80k short of Adelaide's 210k record a whole 30 years ago! I guess it's all about money and not always about crowds.)
There could be. The mid season trade period is likely going to result in some big moves as a club making a tilt for a flag will be desperate to bring in a player that will add to their list. That means they will be willing to pay more than they would during the end of season trade period.
Say for instance Geelong lost Tom Stewart for the season, they are not going to say "well this season is done, no need to think about premierships now", no, they are going to go to the mid season draft and go hard for a replacement, them likely willing to pay way overs to get that replacement into the club so they can have a 2024 flag tilt.
Elixuh
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Not paranoia. Pretty plain for anyone to see how this will go.
You should take a list into the season and try to win a flag with that list.
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to be fair, the 1995 attendance in Adelaide was something of an anomaly being its farewell event.
The 1996, 2022, 2023 and 2024 events are all in the top 10 attendances of all time, 2 of them in the top 4.
RANKED: The Highest Attended F1 Races of All Time - F1Destinations.com
As F1 attendance figures continue to rise across the globe, we take a look at which Grand Prix weekends were the best-attended in the sport’s history.
f1destinations.com
| Rank | Race | Venue | Weekend attendance |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 1995 Australian Grand Prix | Adelaide | 520,000 |
| 2 | 2023 British Grand Prix | Silverstone | 480,000 |
| 3 | 2024 Australian Grand Prix | Albert Park | 452,055 |
| 4 | 2023 Australian Grand Prix | Albert Park | 444,631 |
| 5 | 2022 United States Grand Prix | Circuit of the Americas | 440,000 |
| 6 | 2023 United States Grand Prix | Circuit of the Americas | 432,000 |
| 7 | 2022 Australian Grand Prix | Albert Park | 419,114 |
| 8 | 1996 Australian Grand Prix | Albert Park | 401,000 |
| 9 | 2022 British Grand Prix | Silverstone | 401,000 |
| 10 | 2023 Mexico City Grand Prix | Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez | 400,639 |
| 11 | 2021 United States Grand Prix | Circuit of the Americas | 400,000 |
| 12 | 2022 Mexico City Grand Prix | Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez | 395,902 |
| 13 | 2023 Belgian Grand Prix | Spa Francorchamps | 380,000 |
| 14 | 2021 Mexico City Grand Prix | Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez | 372,000 |
| 15 | 2006 Japanese Grand Prix | Suzuka | 361,000 |
| 16 | 2004 Australian Grand Prix | Albert Park | 360,885 |
| 17 | 2022 Belgian Grand Prix | Spa Francorchamps | 360,000 |
| 18 | 2005 Australian Grand Prix | Albert Park | 359,000 |
| 19 | 1994 Japanese Grand Prix | Suzuka | 357,000 |
| 20 | 2019 British Grand Prix | Silverstone | 351,000 |
How many days though. Adelaide race day crowds in the 130-140k range were still bigger that Melbourne's have been.to be fair, the 1995 attendance in Adelaide was something of an anomaly being its farewell event.
The 1996, 2022, 2023 and 2024 events are all in the top 10 attendances of all time, 2 of them in the top 4.
RANKED: The Highest Attended F1 Races of All Time - F1Destinations.com
As F1 attendance figures continue to rise across the globe, we take a look at which Grand Prix weekends were the best-attended in the sport’s history.
Rank Race Venue Weekend attendance 1 1995 Australian Grand Prix Adelaide 520,000 2 2023 British Grand Prix Silverstone 480,000 3 2024 Australian Grand Prix Albert Park 452,055 4 2023 Australian Grand Prix Albert Park 444,631 5 2022 United States Grand Prix Circuit of the Americas 440,000 6 2023 United States Grand Prix Circuit of the Americas 432,000 7 2022 Australian Grand Prix Albert Park 419,114 8 1996 Australian Grand Prix Albert Park 401,000 9 2022 British Grand Prix Silverstone 401,000 10 2023 Mexico City Grand Prix Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez 400,639 11 2021 United States Grand Prix Circuit of the Americas 400,000 12 2022 Mexico City Grand Prix Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez 395,902 13 2023 Belgian Grand Prix Spa Francorchamps 380,000 14 2021 Mexico City Grand Prix Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez 372,000 15 2006 Japanese Grand Prix Suzuka 361,000 16 2004 Australian Grand Prix Albert Park 360,885 17 2022 Belgian Grand Prix Spa Francorchamps 360,000 18 2005 Australian Grand Prix Albert Park 359,000 19 1994 Japanese Grand Prix Suzuka 357,000 20 2019 British Grand Prix Silverstone 351,000
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race days arent all that matters.
sr36
Hall of Famer
Yeah, it's paranoia. It's actually really common for the husband/wife to move a few months before the rest of the family - set up and then bring them across. I don't see why it's any more disadvantageous than trading at any other time of year.
I think it's fine to have no list changes during the season if the lists are big enough - they currently aren't, but I'd make it SSP rather than trading and draft if they don't increase the lists.
Well it's about changing the culture of the game and making moving elsewhere to get a game something the vast majority feel comfortable with.
Happens all the time in other major sports.
Time AFL players embraced that mindset.
Elixuh
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What are you more likely to choose - staying in your current circumstances and moving club in the same city or moving everything interstate?
Elixuh
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How many of these other major sports have 9 teams in one city and pay players at the level we do?
Who cares.
You make it seem like Melbourne is this amazing place to live in.
It's a crowded shithole.
It's not this massive draw card you like to push it as.
You'll get more bang for your buck as a player living in Adelaide.
Players already do with the VFL to a degree.
Travel is a big part of lower level players dreams to make it.
sr36
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Is it any different to any other trade in that regard?
If it does actually get used the way you're suggesting, it will be an equalisation measure. Clubs in contention will overpay to recruit from bottom clubs.
Elixuh
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Partly yes for the reasons already expressed
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