Opinion VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[dockshark]

Agreed, Melbourne is far more interesting and better than Adelaide.

Better is just a matter of taste. In what way is it more interesting, please provide some examples.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Adelaide is where people go when they give up.

 

[dockshark]

Adelaide is where people go when they give up.

Give up on living in overcrowded, overpriced cities. Yes, that’s a good idea.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Give up on living in overcrowded, overpriced cities. Yes, that’s a good idea.

Nah just give up on life in general. Adelaide is such a nothing city.

If Adelaide ceased to exist tomorrow, what sector of life would suffer? Exactly.

 

[dockshark]

Nah just give up on life in general. Adelaide is such a nothing city.

If Adelaide ceased to exist tomorrow, what sector of life would suffer? Exactly.

LOL. That is such a stupid statement it's not even worth responding to. You absolute nuff.

 

[longdonkey]

The AFL needs to simplify the comp to keep it strong. I'd merge each of the interstate teams to consolidate interest in non-traditional areas such as QLD, NSW, SA, WA.

E.g. Port Adelaide Crows, Brisbane Suns, Fremantle Eagles

SA & WA are non traditional areas. You win the all time nuffy award.

 

[Engimal v3]

SA & WA are non traditional areas.

Yeah, that's what I said

 

[dockshark]

Yeah, that's what I said

I like it when people post completely stupid crap like this, and then double down on it. Good on you.

I mean you do win the all time nuffy award, and everyone is laughing at you, but good on you.

 

[longdonkey]

Yeah, that's what I said

Well you're an idiot then.

SANFL established 1877
WAFL established 1885
VFL established 1896

Good luck tying your shoe laces tomorrow morning

 

[Woolly Mammoth]

The former is possible, you just cut the number of Victorian teams. It's been shown over and again that this is a rational answer to Vicbias. That doesn't mean it will happen, but it should

"It's been shown" really? must have missed that one.
Here's the thing- right now, because of their massive fanbases and connections/influence, the Vic big 4 basically run the show. So you could eliminate 2/3/4/5 clubs (whatever arbitrary number you guess pluck out of your arrse, it changes week to week) and guess what- the Vic big 4 will still run the show. Only now they will have access to even more sponsorship opportunities, government funding and the best and brightest Victorian talent.

Perhaps I'm a simple man, but if the end goal it to make a more balanced league and provide an environment for interstate clubs to win premierships, and its not simply a case of being selfish jackwads who want 150 year old football clubs to die purely so they can see ever so slightly better (but ultimately meaningless) state representation optics in the league, the whole exercise of culling Vic teams would seem to be a good recipe for making the Vicbias 'problem' considerably worse.

 

[Woolly Mammoth]

They wouldn't lose all of them, they wouldn't even lose most of them, if they managed the cull correctly. They would lose some. What a shame, those ones can join the dwindling number of bitter Roy boys that still lurk on the outer

Don't know how it works in Western Australia, but cull the club- 95% of supporters are goneski. End of. No one is going to watch state leagues, because there basically isnt one, just a bastardised version of the old VFA that is now a glorified ressies league.
And if you want to have a clinical, sensible discussion, simply jettisoning that amount of people is insane considering
*Peter V'landys has breathed new life into the NRL and a second Vic team isnt out of the question
*Soccer is a trendy sport in the 21st century, and if someone with half an idea was in charge of the A-league, it could be a sleeping giant
*NBL is having a bit of a resurgence

 

[The Feeder Club]

"It's been shown" really? must have missed that one.
Here's the thing- right now, because of their massive fanbases and connections/influence, the Vic big 4 basically run the show. So you could eliminate 2/3/4/5 clubs (whatever arbitrary number you guess pluck out of your arrse, it changes week to week) and guess what- the Vic big 4 will still run the show. Only now they will have access to even more sponsorship opportunities, government funding and the best and brightest Victorian talent.

Perhaps I'm a simple man, but if the end goal it to make a more balanced league and provide an environment for interstate clubs to win premierships, and its not simply a case of being selfish jackwads who want 150 year old football clubs to die purely so they can see ever so slightly better (but ultimately meaningless) state representation optics in the league, the whole exercise of culling Vic teams would seem to be a good recipe for making the Vicbias 'problem' considerably worse.

There's your problem, you still see every nonVic club as interstate interlopers. There's not meant to be your state and interstate, it's meant to be a properly constituted representative national competition, not the VFL plus interstate. Once you get rid of your outdated mindset you'll see the light.

 

[longdonkey]

There's your problem, you still see every nonVic club as interstate interlopers. There's not meant to be your state and interstate, it's meant to be a properly constituted representative national competition, not the VFL plus interstate. Once you get rid of your outdated mindset you'll see the light.

I agree in general with you however Woolly Mammoth is 100% on the money. The Vic clubs outside the big 4 get rear ended as much if not more than the non-Vic clubs. But they will still vote with the Vic block on everything to maintain Vic dominance of the comp.

 

[sr36]

"It's been shown" really? must have missed that one.
Here's the thing- right now, because of their massive fanbases and connections/influence, the Vic big 4 basically run the show. So you could eliminate 2/3/4/5 clubs (whatever arbitrary number you guess pluck out of your arrse, it changes week to week) and guess what- the Vic big 4 will still run the show. Only now they will have access to even more sponsorship opportunities, government funding and the best and brightest Victorian talent.

Perhaps I'm a simple man, but if the end goal it to make a more balanced league and provide an environment for interstate clubs to win premierships, and its not simply a case of being selfish jackwads who want 150 year old football clubs to die purely so they can see ever so slightly better (but ultimately meaningless) state representation optics in the league, the whole exercise of culling Vic teams would seem to be a good recipe for making the Vicbias 'problem' considerably worse.

Yep. If you want to advantage the big Vic teams, it's simple, cut the smaller Vic teams. The ridiculousness of thinking that this would somehow benefit the non-Vic teams is next level.

 

[The Feeder Club]

Yep. If you want to advantage the big Vic teams, it's simple, cut the smaller Vic teams. The ridiculousness of thinking that this would somehow benefit the non-Vic teams is next level.

I'm fascinated as to why you think so. Imagine a 12 team comp comprised of 5 Vic teams, two with the MCG as home, two with docklands, and Geelong at kardinya. And seven non Vic teams. 22 rounds H&A
So Collingwood as an MCG team gets to play 12 games at the G, seven outside Vic and one at the alphabet under that arrangement.
Please detail how that is more advantageous to them as opposed to playing 15 at the MCG and four outside Vic and none at kardinya under the current fixture?

 

[Engimal v3]

Well you're an idiot then.

SANFL established 1877
WAFL established 1885
VFL established 1896

Good luck tying your shoe laces tomorrow morning

Hi, it is actually the case that Australian Football was invented in Victoria. South Australia and these types of places copied Victoria because they did not have much else going on.

 

[Underarm]

I'm fascinated as to why you think so. Imagine a 12 team comp comprised of 5 Vic teams, two with the MCG as home, two with docklands, and Geelong at kardinya. And seven non Vic teams. 22 rounds H&A
So Collingwood as an MCG team gets to play 12 games at the G, seven outside Vic and one at the alphabet under that arrangement.
Please detail how that is more advantageous to them as opposed to playing 15 at the MCG and four outside Vic and none at kardinya under the current fixture?

When Brad Hill, Paddy Ryder, or Brad Crouch come back to Victoria they pick Collingwood because st kilda don't exist.

Less teams in Melbourne won't reduce the amount of Victorian talent in the league wanting to get home.

 

[sr36]

I'm fascinated as to why you think so. Imagine a 12 team comp comprised of 5 Vic teams, two with the MCG as home, two with docklands, and Geelong at kardinya. And seven non Vic teams. 22 rounds H&A
So Collingwood as an MCG team gets to play 12 games at the G, seven outside Vic and one at the alphabet under that arrangement.
Please detail how that is more advantageous to them as opposed to playing 15 at the MCG and four outside Vic and none at kardinya under the current fixture?

We currently play 14 at G and 6 interstate. So not much different.

More go home Vic's at cheaper due to less competition. Even more power in the biggest market in the country.

 

[The Feeder Club]

We currently play 14 at G and 6 interstate. So not much different.

More go home Vic's at cheaper due to less competition. Even more power in the biggest market in the country.

This year you're playing five out of Vic plus gather round against another Vic team so that's not the same as playing another team at their house. It's a big difference when ladder positions are decided by a game or percentage across a season

 

[The Feeder Club]

When Brad Hill, Paddy Ryder, or Brad Crouch come back to Victoria they pick Collingwood because st kilda don't exist.

Less teams in Melbourne won't reduce the amount of Victorian talent in the league wanting to get home.

Who cares? For every Nathan Buckley there's a Jonathan Brown. Not every Vic kid is a mummy's boy

 

[Carringbush2010]

Don't know how it works in Western Australia, but cull the club- 95% of supporters are goneski.

More importantly, they're not gone from their clubs, they're gone from the league. Fitzroy fans still follow their club today.

For someone to think that HQ would somehow want this is naive.

As far as WA goes, well it's pretty simple, all the public interest went into brand new start up clubs in a league centred on the other side of the country.

The interest in the wafl comp went out the window as soon as WC entered. dropped their wafl clubs like a toxic ex, and then complain about it.

The question is why? if they all complain about this league so much.

 

[Underarm]

Who cares? For every Nathan Buckley there's a Jonathan Brown. Not every Vic kid is a mummy's boy

History has taught us that there are more Buckley's than Browns. That isn't going to change.

 

[sr36]

This year you're playing five out of Vic plus gather round against another Vic team so that's not the same as playing another team at their house. It's a big difference.

You don't get it both ways. Home ground advantage and travel are two different things.

WA teams disadvantage is travel.

They're completely equal in terms of home ground advantage - 10 with an advantage, 3 neutral and 10 with a disadvantage.

Collingwood work out equal too - just more neutral venue games. Less with an advantage and less with a disadvantage than WA teams have. Gather round has shifted sa teams to slightly better than equal. Northern teams equal too.

 

[Lunchtime]

More importantly, they're not gone from their clubs, they're gone from the league. Fitzroy fans still follow their club today.

For someone to think that HQ would somehow want this is naive.

As far as WA goes, well it's pretty simple, all the public interest went into brand new start up clubs in a league centred on the other side of the country.

The interest in the wafl comp went out the window as soon as WC entered. dropped their wafl clubs like a toxic ex, and then complain about it.

The question is why? if they all complain about this league so much.

It seems a lot of Non-Vic AFL fans complain a lot. They are never happy.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

More importantly, they're not gone from their clubs, they're gone from the league. Fitzroy fans still follow their club today.

For someone to think that HQ would somehow want this is naive.

As far as WA goes, well it's pretty simple, all the public interest went into brand new start up clubs in a league centred on the other side of the country.

The interest in the wafl comp went out the window as soon as WC entered. dropped their wafl clubs like a toxic ex, and then complain about it.

The question is why? if they all complain about this league so much.

As it turned out many WA footy supporters simply were not very loyal to their footy clubs. Adelaide also. But I suspect if similar happened in Victoria the same result would if happened.