Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[doppleganger]

Did you completely ignore it when I suggested that Hawthorn players likely got home on the same day as the match?

Yeah, as it aint relevant to your sook about all of the below...which Hawthorn also have to do.

1. Packing
2. Getting to the airport
3. Checking in through security
4. Getting on the plane
5. Flying
6. Getting off the plane
7. Getting your luggage
8. Going to the hotel and checking in

 

[mcgrath_truther]

Surprised Brisbane that far down, pretty much bottom 4 from 2014-2018 but top 4 from 2019-2023 so you'd think it'd even out.

essendon is so goated we're shit everywhere.

singlehandedly shooting down vicbias' existence

 

[Elixuh]

The flight time is just over an hour, which is basically the same from Sydney and Adelaide to Melbourne.

So glad you agree with me that Sydney and SA teams complaining about travel disadvantage is laughable.

Collingwood travels 6 times. One of those is gather round which Sydney also travels for. So not including gather round,

Collingwood travels 5 times
Sydney travels 10 times

Seems like a bit of an advantage old boy.

 

[doppleganger]

The chart you posted suggests that Sydney have performed just as well away as at home.

A nothing flight, just over 1 hour, no change to timezone, and then games at grounds they are very familiar with, playing at Marvel as much as Collingwood do.

No wonder they have a 70% win rate at Marvel.

But they also have to go through airport security!

 

[doppleganger]

Collingwood travels 6 times. One of those is gather round which Sydney also travels for. So not including gather round,

Collingwood travels 5 times
Sydney travels 10 times

Seems like a bit of an advantage old boy.

Yes, Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton have a travel advantage.

Hawthorn don't. Hawthorn are the team that won all the premierships.

Perhaps a 1 hr flight, where you dont change time zone, to then play at a ground you are familiar with really aint that much of an disadvantage.

That is what Hawthorn and Sydney experience for the majority of their games.

 

[doppleganger]

Just because you don't like your family does not mean everyone feels that way.

AFL players avg age is 24-25.

Pretending that a night or two away with team-mates is a disadvantage, absolutely laughable.

You are talking like the majority are mid 40s, married, with multiple kids that they need to support.

 

[Elixuh]

Yes, Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton have a travel advantage.

Hawthorn don't. Hawthorn are the team that won all the premierships.

Perhaps a 1 hr flight, where you dont change time zone, to then play at a ground you are familiar with really aint that much of an disadvantage.

That is what Hawthorn and Sydney experience for the majority of their games.

No one is arguing you can’t be successful because you travel every second week.

Unlike Hawthorn, Sydney do not have blocks of games where they don’t have to travel. Hawthorn has multiple blocks of 3 games where they don’t travel. So effectively blocks of roughly a month with no travel.

 

[Carn The Berries]

So you are basically arguing that if anything the 15 of 17 flags is not enough for Victoria, and if there was no bias against Victorian clubs then it would be 17 of 17 flags.

FFS this 17 years is selective... How about we have a look at what happened from 2001-2006...

InB4 But COLA...

 

[Captivating]

Collingwood travels 6 times. One of those is gather round which Sydney also travels for. So not including gather round,

Collingwood travels 5 times
Sydney travels 10 times

Seems like a bit of an advantage old boy.

Flip it. How many games does Sydney have against teams that have to travel vs Collingwood?

Because it has to cut both ways. Right?

Sydney have 10 games against travelling teams
Collingwood has 5 games against travelling teams

Seems like a bit of an advantage.

 

[Obeanie1]

So Hardwick just came out and slammed the Vics who are arguing about travel not being an issue. And that WA teams getting a couple more business class seats is unfair.

To the point they should be named and shamed per Hardwick.

And as this has also been pointed out until you experience it you really dont know. Not that people who fly regularly dont know anyway.

Amazing how when you 'walk a mile in someone else's shoes' your perspective changes.

Just amazing.

 

[Obeanie1]

Flip it. How many games does Sydney have against teams that have to travel vs Collingwood?

Because it has to cut both ways. Right?

Sydney have 10 games against travelling teams
Collingwood has 5 games against travelling teams

Seems like a bit of an advantage.

You mean like Collingwood playing an away game at the MCG sort of advantage?

 

[Captivating]

You mean like Collingwood playing an away game at the MCG sort of advantage?

No, nothing like that.

 

[Elixuh]

Flip it. How many games does Sydney have against teams that have to travel vs Collingwood?

Because it has to cut both ways. Right?

Sydney have 10 games against travelling teams
Collingwood has 5 games against travelling teams

Seems like a bit of an advantage.

I’m surprised it took 353 pages for a vic person to raise this, well done. It is one factor. But to be considered against the totality of travel and wear and tear.

Eg traveling every second week May have a greater wear and tear on performances than a team that only travels 5 times. And every home game will be coming off the back of a travel week.

There are a range of factors that need to be considered together. At a high level I don’t think anyone can seriously claim that traveling every second week isn’t a disadvantage compared to a team that travels 5 times in 6 months.

 

[Obeanie1]

No, nothing like that.

So thats no advantage then?

Lol.

Last time Pies travelled to Geelong?

Your arguments are pretty thin on logic. And one eyed.

Richmond having 9 games with no travel pre finals on their way to a flag. No advantages there either?

Pull the other one. The advantage of reduced travel is as obvious as the missing teeth and Pies supporters.

 

[Captivating]

So thats no advantage then?

Lol.

Last time Pies travelled to Geelong?

Your arguments are pretty thin on logic. And one eyed.

Richmond having 9 games with no travel pre finals on their way to a flag. No advantages there either?

Pull the other one. The advantage of reduced travel is as obvious as the missing teeth and Pies supporters.

If it is such an advantage to Vic teams, why have there been so few Vic vs Vic team GFs? What was GWS's advantage to make that GF?

 

[Captivating]

I’m surprised it took 353 pages for a vic person to raise this, well done. It is one factor. But to be considered against the totality of travel and wear and tear.

Eg traveling every second week May have a greater wear and tear on performances than a team that only travels 5 times. And every home game will be coming off the back of a travel week.

There are a range of factors that need to be considered together. At a high level I don’t think anyone can seriously claim that traveling every second week isn’t a disadvantage compared to a team that travels 5 times in 6 months.

But that stats don't support this disadvantage. Non Vic teams make finals as often as Vic teams.

 

[sr36]

So Hardwick just came out and slammed the Vics who are arguing about travel not being an issue. And that WA teams getting a couple more business class seats is unfair.

To the point they should be named and shamed per Harwick.

And as this has also been pointed out until you experience it you really dont know. Not that people who fly regularly dont know anyway.

Amazing how when you 'walk a mile in someone else's shoes' your perspective changes.

Just amazing.

It's factional politics.

Sydney and GC have come out in support of travel concessions for WA teams, at a time when matching concessions are being debated, which the Northern clubs want to remain favourable.

Northern clubs will get the much better deal out of the vicbias nonsense. WA and SA will continue to get suckered into supporting something that disadvantages them.

 

[doppleganger]

If it is such an advantage to Vic teams, why have there been so few Vic vs Vic team GFs? What was GWS's advantage to make that GF?

H&A ladder clearly shows that teams who are able to benefit from more games with a genuine home ground advantage fare better during H&A.

Travel is pushed as supposedly the counter to that, but results dont stack up.

Probably because a 1 hr flight to then play at a ground in the same time zone that you play 3 or 4 games a year at isnt actually a significant disadvantage.

They also dont realise that the AFL Fixture is currently designed to reduce travel for WA and SA teams. Go to a completely random fixture, and it will be those teams who are worse off.

 

[Cam Payne]

Why is it just Colonwood supporters arguing this? You'd think their coach crying about games being too long and 6 day breaks is what they should turn their attention too.

 

[blue harvest]

Yes anyone can win, but the non-Victorian sides are still disadvantaged. Sydney won in 2012, but I am willing to bet if the game was at the SCG it would have been a more comfortable win.

Even though we beat the Swans at the SCG just a few weeks earlier to finish top of the ladder?

Yet the Swans got the Friday night prelim instead of us, meaning a 2 day differential in days off leading up to the GF.

 

[blue harvest]

again though, Hawthorn did not really play night games in Tasmania, meaning they could be home the same day. Sydney though, any night game meant having to stay in whatever city we were in until the next day.

Hawks typically travel to Tassie 2 days before the game and come back at night a few hours after the game. So it's 3 days away.

 

[blue harvest]

Also just checked, even with selling home games to Tasmania the Hawks still played 13 games in Victoria during the 2015 H&A season, so even with the Tasmanian games they played more games in their home city than the non-Victorian clubs do.

In 2015 the Hawks travelled interstate the same number of times as the Eagles and one more than Freo, beat both in finals and beat both at Subi.

 

[Elixuh]

But that stats don't support this disadvantage. Non Vic teams make finals as often as Vic teams.

In the 18 team era where there has been an equal split, vic clubs have made finals 58 times. Non vic clubs 43 times. So in that time vic clubs made the 8 over 25% more of the time.

 

[Captivating]

In the 18 team era where there has been an equal split, vic clubs have made finals 58 times. Non vic clubs 43 times. So in that time vic clubs made the 8 over 25% more of the time.

There are 10 Vic clubs, vs 8 non Vic clubs. That's 25% more Vic clubs.

 

[Elixuh]

There are 10 Vic clubs, vs 8 non Vic clubs. That's 25% more Vic clubs.

25 or 20? But they don’t make finals as often as vic teams which is what you said. Vic teams have made finals 25% of the time more during the 18 club era