List Mgmt. Welcome to Geelong, Mitch Hardie
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Again, you actually need to see the level he's at, rather than just speculating. Knevitt is miles better at the moment, and Hardie has done nothing at this stage to even suggest he should get a contract extension past the end of this year - much less get an AFL debut at the most critical juncture of our year.
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Beyond ignorant statement.
If we're getting beaten in there despite the still good-to very good players in there, how's it going to go when you throw a guy in who can't even reach decent numbers at VFL level? At 25 years of age?
I don't want to be harsh as he seems like a ripping fella, but it just doesn't make sense for us.
Whether we're trying to win the flag, or looking to the future, Knevitt fits the bill better on both fronts than Hardie.
And FWIW, it's outside players who struggle at VFL level, as their performance depends almost entirely on those around them. Think wingman, key forwards, flankers etc.
In the guts is still the same regardless of the level, it's see the ball and get the ball. That doesn't change.
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Yet he's a possibility to be the rumoured debut within the next fortnight.
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You'd be surprised. Knevitt is well ahead of him
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Two goes at this now... and our efforts seem lacking in comparison to others.
Is Mitch signed for 2024?
Is Mitch signed for 2024?
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What were the better available options?
With Blitz injued, Ceglar conked out, Conway not quite ready, and Neale not yet match fit then with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight we should have gone for Naismith after all.
Hardie is gonna go from Megarey Medal shot halfway through the year to being a "meh" player in the VFL... and then delisted after 6 months.
Oh well, we gave him a shot and he hasn't grabbed it.
Not a fan of the mid year trade period.
Oh well, we gave him a shot and he hasn't grabbed it.
Not a fan of the mid year trade period.
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I think we should give him a preseason. He does seem to have a bit of nous hitting up f50
It didn't need hindsight as a few of us were saying before the mid season draft that we were a Blics injury away from even worse ruck issues. But we do have Stanley at least.
Yeah, but I'm not sold on any of JHenry, De Koning, or Ratugolea playing as backup ruck.
Iv got faith in him.. give him a full pre-season and play a couple of practice games.
Some players play better playing better quality football eg like Knevitt.
Give him another 12 month contract to see what he can do..
His kicking of the ball is bloody good
#ha#havesomefaith
Some players play better playing better quality football eg like Knevitt.
Give him another 12 month contract to see what he can do..
His kicking of the ball is bloody good
#ha#havesomefaith
Its a fair question. My preference was to look at a 19 year old that had been missed in the draft in 22 and would probably be drafted in 23 and treat it like a normal draft pick. I cant see how it would have hurt to have a look at a ruck like Flynn Reily a big 19 year old and there is 19 year old kid who athletically is out of this world Rye Penny. Now no one else picked these guys either ..so im not say its easy ...
Id say we have missed the mark somehow when Haw are playing their second pick, taken after us in Brandon Ryan and he was was a local at some stage. and we have players like Christie etc playing VFL that are not listed.
If we are going to bring in a 25 year old from another state , Im hoping for an immediate impact.
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Maybe my expectations on the mid season draft mechanism are more tempered. I don’t really expect it to deliver much value to the competing teams. I see it more as a “last chance saloon” for the overlooked draft nominees and insurance for clubs to top up in areas of need.
Now a mid season trade period… that would be ripe for instant impact (as well as introducing all sorts of other issues). Can you imagine us getting to offload Ratugolea or Parfitt to position ourselves for a ready made mid?
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Exactly. I said at the time of the mid season draft that we had weaknesses in midfield and ruck due to injuries, but that we were not going to find an inside mid of the required AFL standard, but Naismith could play a role if Stanley didn't recover and if Blics got injured, bearing in mind everyone was saying Ceglar was cooked. And Neale and Conway were still out injured.
Stanley hasn't been playing that well as it is, and if he got injured now, we have no specialist ruckman for an under the pump midfield. As it turns out, we are playing for 8th spot not 4th, but the club didn't expect that at the time of the mid season draft.
There is an elements of that. I think there are numerous examples of being able to find a player similar to how we found Stewart and Menegola. There owuld be several players that have gone on to be regulars in sides best group.
I also agree that a mid season trade period will have punch. I could also see it as more dangerous. For example , god back to when we were mid season. World we have traded our future picks for that ready made mid. The chance to access a player not getting a game or to access the free agent that is going to move half a season earlier. Like it or not it will be something we have to acclimatise to..as I think its coming.
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From the mid season draft? I can’t think of any established players who came via that route. I’m sure I’m missing a few.
EDIT: Eyeballing the list I see Newcombe, Ash Johnson, Ryan Gardner, Will Snelling, James Peatling, Sam Durham, Marlion Pickett, John Noble as AFL regulars. Almost all mature types who have taken their second chance. Seems that’s what Geelong was trying to get with last year’s bloke and Hardie.
I see an Stewart as a probable and ideal MSD type if that was available . he was on our list and we pick our own. Menegola the next level .. as it disrupts other clubs but again mature second ..chance type.
I understand what they were trying to do. I feel our talent Id must be a little off somehow. That list has several that im sure we would have been playing if on our list , where as if Hardie had been our VFL list ..would we have drafted him? He present a marginal upgrade to others ..and player like Kneviit have looked far better.
We need to have multiple players on our vfl list that we are looking to upgrade. I like how a few other clubs have done that. If we want to go the mature types outside our system ..we need to get better at picking the players.
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I can understand wanting to keep Hardie for a pre season to see if he can improve. But as a mature age player coming from the sanfl he’s very disappointing he wasn’t really close to playing a game. We’ve been lacking in the midfield most of the season so the fact he couldn’t/wasn’t given a game doesn’t reflect well on where the club sees him.
To me the mid season draft is there and should be there to help fill a role for the rest of the season. We picked someone in a position we needed them never played him. Seems a pretty strange choice as it was last year.
To me the mid season draft is there and should be there to help fill a role for the rest of the season. We picked someone in a position we needed them never played him. Seems a pretty strange choice as it was last year.
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If you sent me back to the mid season with everything I know now I can't say a traded in elite mid would be a bad idea
