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Who's the better player Gary jnr or Dusty?


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PhatBoy

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I don't think Principals leaving jobs for better pay is unprincipled. This is about football, and sadly Abblett is guilty of chasing the dollar , then realizing it was a mistake and coming back with his tail between his legs. Something Dusty never did, which makes him an all time great.


How many extra touches a game does ‘not signing a bigger contract’ give Martin? Can you tell me?


I could just as easily turn around and say he’s useless because he didn’t go to a shithole like north Melbourne and maintain the same output. He’s stayed in his comfort zone and not tested himself, like an all time great would do.

What a stupid argument
 

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I reckon Dusty probably doesn't need more money either hey.
What does any of what you just said even mean? ‘You already make a good wage albeit one not even close to being commensurate with your standing in the game, in a career that ends when you are 35, so you shouldn’t take a better offer because in 12 years a religiophobe on a footy forum will judge you.’


Set up for life? What, so Ablett’s lifestyle for the 60 years following his retirement should be dictated by whether he wants to appease a bunch of non-footballers who would do exactly the same as him in that situation? ‘Well I could have actually bought my children an investment property of their own but there was a guy who questioned my loyalty and principles so I decided against signing the contract and now here we are.’
How much money u think an investment property costs?

Coulda got a couple on corio bay for each of his kids anyway, plenny of propery tycoons to help out that way, just ask paddy dangerfield. You can book some of his places on airbnb. right near the waves too!
 

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It’s amazing that 100 per cent of Australians who would turn down a 120 per cent pay increase ALL post in BigFooty.
 

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He was able to stat hoard because he didn’t care about winning. The whole teams game plan was give it to Gaz. Not hard to figure out why his CV is inflated. His MVPs don’t match with his Brownlow or Coaches association numbers. He got 2 leading goal kickers at the Suns NONE at the cats. He also got DOUBLE the B&Fs at the Suns than the Cats ( 4v2). ALL OF WHICH WERE IN THE FIRST 4 YEARS of goal coasts inception. Gee I wonder why? Can’t believe you guys are actually falling for it
Ok give him 2 mvps to join diesel Carey voss Judd and Fyfe as the only multiple winners
 

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It’s ok you know, people are allowed to be greedy pigs.

Dusty had many people trying to prie him away from Richmond. Including franchises with extra cap. He stayed and won three norm smiths in a row also being first to get brownlow, flag and normy, thus making him a legend.

Gabbylet coulda done that but he was greedy and that’s ok.
 

PhatBoy

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I reckon Dusty probably doesn't need more money either hey.

How much money u think an investment property costs?

Coulda got a couple on corio bay for each of his kids anyway, plenny of propery tycoons to help out that way, just ask paddy dangerfield. You can book some of his places on airbnb. right near the waves too!


It’s called an example.

Again, explain to me why his lifestyle for his entire post retirement existence should be determined and planned under the ‘it’s ok this will do’ approach?

Why doesn’t every singer just perform their next tour for free. They’re loaded, right?

Russell Crowe - I’m expecting any second to hear of him playing his next role at no cost.

And Martin - well after finding out that he didn’t go to north Melbourne I’m going to guess that he’s playing for a can of coke and $0.50 of mixed lollies each week…… oh what’s that? He isn’t? He’s playing for $1.3 million a season? Half a million dollars a year MORE than Ablett turned down from Geelong?

Gee this is interesting.

I’ve got enough money to pay my rent and my bills and my groceries over the next month I reckon I’ll ask my employer if they can halve my wage for that period
 

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Ok give him 2 mvps to join diesel Carey voss Judd and Fyfe as the only multiple winners

Despite all I’ve said I agree GAJ is still the best H&A player I just think he dominated the game closer to 3 seasons not 5+. All his awards bar the AA and Brownlow at the Suns are worthless.
 

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It’s ok you know, people are allowed to be greedy pigs.

Dusty had many people trying to prie him away from Richmond. Including franchises with extra cap. He stayed and won three norm smiths in a row also being first to get brownlow, flag and normy, thus making him a legend.

Gabbylet coulda done that but he was greedy and that’s ok.


He had one ‘franchise’ trying to prise him away. They offered him $1.5 million a season.
He stayed at Richmond for $1.2 or $1.3 depending which source is correct.

The fact that you are self righteous enough to call someone greedy for accepting a pay rise pretty much says all I need to know.
 

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It’s called an example.

Again, explain to me why his lifestyle for his entire post retirement existence should be determined and planned under the ‘it’s ok this will do’ approach?

Why doesn’t every singer just perform their next tour for free. They’re loaded, right?

Russell Crowe - I’m expecting any second to hear of him playing his next role at no cost.

And Martin - well after finding out that he didn’t go to north Melbourne I’m going to guess that he’s playing for a can of coke and $0.50 of mixed lollies each week…… oh what’s that? He isn’t? He’s playing for $1.3 million a season? Half a million dollars a year MORE than Ablett turned down from Geelong?

Gee this is interesting.

I’ve got enough money to pay my rent and my bills and my groceries over the next month I reckon I’ll ask my employer if they can halve my wage for that period
Calm down dude.
 

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This is why you contribute nothing to this thread and are essentially PB’s wingman liking his comments.
How many posts have I given out likes to? But seriously, you've put in nearly 150 posts between this and the Hawkins thread, and I can count on the one hand how many are coherent. :drunk:
 

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Despite all I’ve said I agree GAJ is still the best H&A player I just think he dominated the game closer to 3 seasons not 5+. All his awards bar the AA and Brownlow at the Suns are worthless.


All his awards bar the one that says ‘you were the best player out of 600 in the competition this year’ and the one that says ‘you were easily the best player in your position out of roughly 130-140 4 years in a row’ are meaningless. It’s just those minor honours that count. Those very small acknowledgements, they count, but we can essentially ignore them because they’re so minor.
 

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I’ve got enough money to pay my rent and my bills and my groceries over the next month
Nice feeling, isn't it?

Me personally, I got 2 cars in the garage, mortgage under control, went on vaccay in April, thinking about next vaccay now. Bit of cash (not heaps just a little bit) saved up for rainy days, you never know what life might throw at you.

Could I have more monies? Sure I could! Neither the wife or I work full-time. We like hanging out with family and indulging in hobbies too much :D

Some things are more important than money see. I reckon if you ask Garry now he'd agree. He was begging to come back remember. But unfortunately for Garry he decided he wanted heaps and heaps of money he didn't actually need instead, and that's fine.
 

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Nice feeling, isn't it?

Me personally, I got 2 cars in the garage, mortgage under control, went on vaccay in April, thinking about next vaccay now. Bit of cash (not heaps just a little bit) saved up for rainy days, you never know what life might throw at you.

Could I have more monies? Sure I could! Neither the wife or I work full-time. We like hanging out with family and indulging in hobbies too much :D

Some things are more important than money see. I reckon if you ask Garry now he'd agree. He was begging to come back remember. But unfortunately for Garry he decided he wanted heaps and heaps of money he didn't actually need instead, and that's fine.


And whatever yours and your wife’s careers are, you’ve probably got around 40-50 years to squeeze the sponge. As opposed to a footballer who has 15.

And isn’t it amazing that you enjoy hobbies? Imagine taking a deal that could mean you don’t have to work 40 hour weeks your whole life and can - wait for it - indulge your hobbies? Wouldn’t that be something
 

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How many posts have I given out likes to? But seriously, you've put in nearly 150 posts between this and the Hawkins thread, and I can count on the one hand how many are coherent. :drunk:

I have so many posts because I’m always replying to 5+ people at the same time because the sook about my views. You pretty much respond to only me.
 

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And they voted for GAJ because he was the ONLY veteran footballer at a club. Everybody else was still a teenager. It was a given he’d win it. Same with his 4 B&Fs at the Suns, only got 2 at the cats. Do you really think an 18 year old could’ve won the B&Fs at the suns? The contract pretty much had 2 MVPs, 4 B&Fs and leading goal kickers on it in invisible ink. Plus he didn’t give a s**t about winning games so he could play as selfish as wanted which he did. He is the ultimate state hoarder in the game taking advantage of being at a start up club, you guys have fallen for the ruse think he is better than he actually is.

Each club nominates 3 players to go into the voting pool for the award. Every player in the AFL then selects who they think is the league's MVP, they are not allowed to vote on players from their own club. He was 1 of 51 / 54 nominated players, that is all, the players from the other 16 / 17 clubs were not obliged to give him one single vote. If you don't understand how the voting works for the award, you probably should stop embarrassing yourself.

He was elite and in his prime for 4 years at Geelong, 2007 to 2010. In that time Geelong won 2 flags, he was the b&f in both of those years. Prior to 2007 he played as a small forward.
 

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And whatever yours and your wife’s careers are, you’ve probably got around 40-50 years to squeeze the sponge. As opposed to a footballer who has 15.
Mate Jobe Watson can't even form a sentence and he's earning six figures to speak on television. Garry was the best player in the league he could have had any job in footy he wanted. Was offered 4 million in football income alone (not including endorsements etc) in 5 years? He was never stacking shelves when he turned 40.
 

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WHE not playing for a franchise team. Sadly, Abblett did for cash. Left his team stranded for the dollar then tried to come back and it was sad.

Yep, left his team stranded, they won the flag the season after he left. Like the other idiot posting, maybe you should stop while you're behind.

If another employer came to me and said I can do the exact same job but we'll pay you twice as much money, I'd be handing in my notice.
 

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I have so many posts because I’m always replying to 5+ people at the same time because the sook about my views. You pretty much respond to only me.
I'm just providing updates on the poll, it's tireless work. I made my point clear about the two players on the first page.
 

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All clubs have rich benefactors helping out players with nice post-football employment opportunities, cheeky property deals etc. Cept GCS and GWS who have to rely on AFL "ambassador payments". Plenny nice sponsorship deals for the Geelong boys too, Cotton On whatever.

Anyway I don't think 800,000k and 1.8mill is that different. Like if you wanna get drunk in your garage by yourself and you got 2 slabs of beer that's probably gonna get you drunk, you don't need 20 slabs, know what I'm saying? He was set up for life, but also money-hungry piggyman who wanted more. Maybe he was just scared of having to play more finals, he coulda played heaps of them but he was holding prayer groups with karmichael coke-man instead.

He was pretty much financially supporting the rest of his dysfunctional family, from his dad down.
 

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Each club nominates 3 players to go into the voting pool for the award. Every player in the AFL then selects who they think is the league's MVP, they are not allowed to vote on players from their own club. He was 1 of 51 / 54 nominated players, that is all, the players from the other 16 / 17 clubs were not obliged to give him one single vote. If you don't understand how the voting works for the award, you probably should stop embarrassing yourself.

He was elite and in his prime for 4 years at Geelong, 2007 to 2010. In that time Geelong won 2 flags, he was the b&f in both of those years. Prior to 2007 he played as a small forward.

I know how the voting works. I think you just don’t understand what I am saying. The other players voted for GAJ because they know out of ALL the other clubs GAJ was more valuable to his club compared to other stars at their respective clubs. No doubt he was as I have stated previously because of the age of the other players at the Suns.
 

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Ablett Jnr for me, can understand the arguments for Dusty but felt like Ablett had more consistent brilliance.