Play Nice Politics # 4 - The madness continues here.....

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[1970crow]

Scomo is a ******* chud. Thanks for this lumping us with this campaigner Liberal voters.

Blame the policies of the Labor party. More Australians were looking for change than not, Labor just made that impossible.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Blame the policies of the Labor party. More Australians were looking for change than not, Labor just made that impossible.

They weren't bad policies, they just made Labor an easier target for the Murdoch propaganda machine.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Time this started to happen. Briilant.

Amazing how the Murdoch machine managed to frame a dodgy psychopath with a long history of failing upwards as some sort of loveable Shire Dad.

Morrison isn't even from the Shire, he hadn't even moved there when he was elected as the MP for the seat of Cook. He is a fan of Rugby Union, not League and is not a Cronulla Sharks supporter and never has been, it is all pretend.

 

[1970crow]

They weren't bad policies, they just made Labor an easier target for the Murdoch propaganda machine.

Nah, they were bad, Alienate old people and middle Australia at your peril. They won't make the same mistake this time.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Nah, they were bad, Alienate old people and middle Australia at your peril. They won't make the same mistake this time.

The policies didn't alienate old people and middle Australia, the media reporting on the policies did. Would it have been better to go with a small campaign to present a smaller target? Sure. It wasn't the policies fault, good policies.

Edit: Now if we are discussing the campaign, it was a campaign goof to take those policies to an election given the disadvantage Labor has in media representation.

 

[kirky]

Amazing how the Murdoch machine managed to frame a dodgy psychopath with a long history of failing upwards as some sort of loveable Shire Dad.

Morrison isn't even from the Shire, he hadn't even moved there when he was elected as the MP for the seat of Cook. He is a fan of Rugby Union, not League and is not a Cronulla Sharks supporter and never has been, it is all pretend.

Let’s not even go has to how he won the preselection of his seat, Cook. Sums him up to a tee.

 

[kirky]

The policies didn't alienate old people and middle Australia, the media reporting on the policies did. Would it have been better to go with a small campaign to present a smaller target? Sure. It wasn't the policies fault, good policies.

Edit: Now if we are discussing the campaign, it was a campaign goof to take those policies to an election given the disadvantage Labor has in media representation.

Guarantee it will be small target next time and the sweetener will be child care.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Let’s not even go has to how he won the preselection of his seat, Cook. Sums him up to a tee.

Yeah just happened to benefit greatly from the circumstances apparently. Morrison doesn't hold the smear campaign. Just a big coincidence.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Guarantee it will be small target next time and the sweetener will be child care.

Which is a good plan. Campaigns already started thankfully. Though I doubt the Liberals are as eager to call an early election as they were a few months ago.

 

[kirky]

Yeah just happened to benefit greatly from the circumstances apparently. Morrison doesn't hold the smear campaign. Just a big coincidence.

He has been a failure in each job he has ever had - eventually he gets found out and gets the boot.

I think the same will happen here - there is no guarantee he will be PM going into an election. Josh and Peter have been remarkably quiet. There is a reason for that.

 

[kirky]

Which is a good plan. Campaigns already started thankfully. Though I doubt the Liberals are as eager to call an early election as they were a few months ago.

They won’t go to an early election and the media aren’t as forgiving this time either. They know the sort of s**t that has been going on. And as I keep saying, Shorten isn’t ALP leader, another bonus together with competent ALP Premiers in Qld, WA and Vic - makes it easier for voters.

 

[mistylake]

Scott Morrison to hold news conference at 7:15 my abc news ticker says.
Please don’t is my first thought

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Poll after poll shows that Americans want well-enforced, sensible, and sustainable immigration laws. What’s going on right now is none of those things.

People do not want a situation where illegals are encouraged - either directly or tacitly - to make the journey to the border. That is exactly what this administration has done.

There is nothing sensible or sustainable about separating families and I'm glad the Biden admin didn't go down that path.

Do you realise that a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants is supported by over 60% of American adults? This is up from 43% in 2015 (ipsos poll). Biden's plan to give amnesty to undocumented immigrants also mirrors that of Ronald Reagan and he was considered to be a conservative icon. Lets not pretend there is a middle ground to be had here. Republican voters want a no tolerance policy and anything short of Trump's draconian border policy is going to piss them off. You think Biden should try harder to appease these kind of people than the ones who actually voted for him?

Australia has some of the strictest immigration laws in the world and they are supported - or encouraged to be even stricter - by the majority of Australians.

You asked for my opinion, I wasn't saying it was a majority view.

 

[mistylake]

There is nothing sensible or sustainable about separating families and I'm glad the Biden admin didn't go down that path.

Do you realise that a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants is supported by over 60% of American adults? This is up from 43% in 2015 (ipsos poll). Biden's plan to give amnesty to undocumented immigrants also mirrors that of Ronald Reagan and he was considered to be a conservative icon. Lets not pretend there is a middle ground to be had here. Republican voters want a no tolerance policy and anything short of Trump's draconian border policy is going to piss them off. You think Biden should try harder to appease these kind of people than the ones who actually voted for him?


You asked for my opinion, I wasn't saying it was a majority view.

Yet here we have thousands of kids on their own getting shunted through the border presumably by their parents.

 

[kirky]

Scott Morrison to hold news conference at 7:15 my abc news ticker says.
Please don’t is my first thought

Personally I think he is getting desperate.

Fancy doing it when the AFL, NRL and Soccer are about to kick off.

Footy or listening to SmoCo? Decisions, decisions, decisions.

My god, he can waffle.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Yet here we have thousands of kids on their own getting shunted through the border presumably by their parents.

Biden's holding facilities are only marginally better than Trump's. I've seen the photos. I think these immigrants who are sending their kids through unaccompanied may be severely overestimating the generosity of the Biden admin. Not all that surprising given all the rhetoric about Democrats supporting "open borders".

 

[mistylake]

They weren't bad policies, they just made Labor an easier target for the Murdoch propaganda machine.

Put it this way.
I’d never voted liberal before that election. I voted liberal for the first time because labors policies were completely unacceptable.

 

[kirky]

Did they really need to do a press conference tonight? Could have been done first thing tomorrow.

internal polling must be dire. He knows the vaccine rollout is his responsibility and he can’t blame the states as they have all got together as one.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Funny that in Morrison's maiden speech in parliament he was going on about how the Shire is a great place to live and was saying 'we' this and 'we' that when he didn't even live there! Eastern suburbs boy is he.

"Greatly assisted by the pastoral work of many dedicated church leaders, in particular the reverend Ray Green, and pastors Brian Houston and Leigh Coleman." - Scott Morrison

Pedo protector Brian Houston, Morrison must have learned a lot from that pastoral work.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Put it this way.
I’d never voted liberal before that election. I voted liberal for the first time because labors policies were completely in acceptable.

Based on the articles you post in there I'd wager it is more likely you fell for the media reporting on the policies.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Put it this way.
I’d never voted liberal before that election. I voted liberal for the first time because labors policies were completely in acceptable.

Lol. Australias tax incentives regarding property are a total rort. I know this first hand. It's middle and upper class welfare in disguise. It's hilarious to me that the same people who complain about welfare queens, lost their damned minds at the thought of losing their own entitlements. Apparently welfare should only be given to people who already have money.

 

[mistylake]

Biden's holding facilities are only marginally better than Trump's. I've seen the photos. I think these immigrants who are sending their kids through unaccompanied may be severely overestimating the generosity of the Biden admin. Not all that surprising given all the rhetoric about Democrats supporting "open borders".

We all saw what happened after Kevin Rudd got elected. Flood gates opened. I voted for Rudd and to be nicer because it seemed barbaric the Howard method. But then the flip side was a mad rush of illegal immigrants.
problem is if you give people an inch they take a mile. It’s human nature. Unfortunately we need to make the boat method unpalatable or we’re facing a deluge. If I was a refugee from a s**t hole country I’d do anything to get myself here to.

 

[mistylake]

Based on the articles you post in there I'd wager it is more likely you fell for the media reporting on the policies.

In my case it was around the tax on trust distributions. I also disliked their negative hearing ideas and CGT changes to. All of those things would have hurt me I believe. I even discussed it with my accountant just before the election.

 

[WetCrow1991]

In my case it was around the tax on trust distributions. I also disliked their negative hearing ideas and CGT changes to. All of those things would have hurt me I believe. I even discussed it with my accountant just before the election.

Exactly good policy putting an end to the free lunch.

 

[mistylake]

Lol. Australias tax incentives regarding property are a total rort. I know this first hand. It's middle and upper class welfare in disguise. It's hilarious to me that the same people who complain about welfare queens, lost their damned minds at the thought of losing their own entitlements. Apparently welfare should only be given to people who already have money.

Well tax is the number one killer of saving for the future. So you don’t need to hold your hand out when you retire. Welfare is getting someone else’s money. Paying less tax is just keeping more of your own money.
I’d prefer the later.