Review Dees v GWS - Good, Bad & Fugly at the 'G at long last - Rd 16

[KickLongTackleHard]

Whether it’s Brown or Weid, we need the fwd anchor back. Look lost going forward and allows oppo defence to squeeze us up.

Haven’t been able to make the mozzie fwd line work. Kozzie needs a deep tall to crumb off.

 

[djpaulydemon]

I get slowing the game down when a team has a run in but we are just taking things too far with our slow ball movement.

Nobody taking chances lately, it's just down the line and hope Gawn or TMac mark the ball. No creativity and switching. No one keen to play on quickly.

Add to that Oliver and Trac playing stuff our stat sheets with pointless handballs at clearances and it's no wonder we can't score for sh*t.

We're so easy and predictable to play against right now when we have the ball in hand.

The worst part was the mids didn't defend the middle either. So we played conservative, got sucked to the pocket and just left the middle open all game and never kicked the ball to a dangerous spot bar Tmacs kicks to Fritsch.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Goodwin has taken a side that he had turned into winners in the first half of the year and told them to pack numbers behind the ball and scramble home 9 goals to 7 over second rate teams. It’s ******* ridiculous.

So obvious that this defensive mindset has coincided with a drop off in intensity around the ball. Players need to take responsibility for their sh*t efforts too but it’s not that surprising they’re not taking the game on when the coaching panel is telling them through their tactics that we’re going to lose contests and have to recover the ball through intercept marks.

For 8 ******* years we’ve been so easy to beat just by the oppsotion outnumbering us in our f50. We finally get a team and a system going which is better than that and then abandon it midway through the season when we’re on top of the ladder.

Goodwin needs to give himself an uppercut, back the so-called amazing defence he’s assembled in and play some attacking football and give the forwards a chance.

Small forwards are flat as a tack and need an injection of enthusiasm through some personnel changes. Bowey in for Hunt.

Agree with our small forwards. All lost form. The pressure isn't there. I wonder if we are cooked physically? Koz looks dreadful atm. Have to try something. Unfortunately personel changes won't help much if the midfield consistently gets slaughtered. We supposedly have three AA's in our midfield yet get dominated at clearances. That does my head in tbh..

 

[Jamurp]

Also it's so Melbourne that we're doing well in a season where 16 or 17 wins might not give you a top 4 finish.

 

[Grimesy87]

Also it's so Melbourne that we're doing well in a season where 16 or 17 wins might not give you a top 4 finish.

I wouldn't worry about this, other teams will drop games unexpectedly. We aren't the only team that will. Geelong with Cameron out now are entirely different. Dogs still have a few injuries. Brisbane too. The season isnt played on the AFL ladder predictor.

 

[Demon bhoy]

Our Kingdom for a competent Key forward, who would of thought that if you throw nothing but cast offs and has beens at the position for 6 years while completely ignoring the top end draft talent that we’d end devoid of viable options.

 

[Alpine Lodger]

Hey guys, pardon the intrusion. Whilst I think he's going to be a very good footballer, I was just curious what do you think Luke Jackson currently adds to your team. He does an ok job as a second ruckman but I feel like he gives you nothing as a forward, and he's not very influential around the ground. Think you guys missed an opportunity to bring Brown in this week.

Hey mate. The selection committee were in a bit of a bind over bringing in Ben Brown. Yes he adds another key forward target in. But as we saw in our loss to Collingwood, when we went with a Tall forward set up, small defenders like Brayden Maynard were able to waltz out of defense with little to no tackling pressure. As our big lumbering forwards like Weids were just too slow to tackle them and hold the ball in our attacking half. The Pies were able to launch multiple attacks from this. It was a key reason for the loss. So no doubt Goody, Greg Stafford still have nightmares about this. Brown's off the ball work is pretty poor truth be told and his defensive work can be a liability. So you have to take the good with the bad with BBB. I think you have a similar issue at the Dogs, with Jamarra Ugle Hagan, a sublimely talented forward still not getting a game in the seniors. From what I have heard his off the ball work and tackling pressure is still not at the level required. Even though he is a freakish type talent.

 

[SackLunch]

Goodwin has taken a side that he had turned into winners in the first half of the year and told them to pack numbers behind the ball and scramble home 9 goals to 7 over second rate teams. It’s ******* ridiculous.

So obvious that this defensive mindset has coincided with a drop off in intensity around the ball. Players need to take responsibility for their sh*t efforts too but it’s not that surprising they’re not taking the game on when the coaching panel is telling them through their tactics that we’re going to lose contests and have to recover the ball through intercept marks.

For 8 ******* years we’ve been so easy to beat just by the oppsotion outnumbering us in our f50. We finally get a team and a system going which is better than that and then abandon it midway through the season when we’re on top of the ladder.

Goodwin needs to give himself an uppercut, back the so-called amazing defence he’s assembled in and play some attacking football and give the forwards a chance.

Small forwards are flat as a tack and need an injection of enthusiasm through some personnel changes. Bowey in for Hunt.

Agree 100%

 

[KickLongTackleHard]

In the end we probably had enough chances to pinch it, even if we didn’t deserve it. Fritsch hanger kick, TMac snap from 40m for no reason, Petracca dead in front...shocking misses.

 

[Oceanlabxo]

goodys done a 180.

2018 pox backline but goals out the wazoo
2021 elite backline but couldnt kick a score if your life depended on it

and its thouroughly awful to watch too

 

[djpaulydemon]

Good:
- Lever, Salem, Fritsch, Tmacs kicking inside 50.

Can't really think of many more players who were better than average. May was OK but I feel let a few easy marks through. Dogga took an incredible mark on the wing but isn't in the game for long enough. Langdon generated some run and looked like he is getting back into form but didn't have many players to run it with.

Bad:
- Clearances. Couldn't defend them and are doing nothing when we get it. GWS showed what a cohesive centre combo looks like.
- Defending the corridor. Mids getting sucked up to the stoppages on the wings and leaving the corridor open. Worst of both worlds.
- Forward entries and structure. We dont lead into the centre. Even if its not kicked there a lead opens things up. Tmac kicked to a dangerous space 25 out in the centre and fritsch got 2 goals.
- No target to make a contest in the F50. Small forwards couldn't pressure as GWS marked everything.
- Kicking it deep to the square with no players there.
- Missing several easy snaps kicks the belly of the ball on a windy day.

Ugly:
- Hunts HTB. I was sitting on the wing he got pinged twice and he didn't have anything to kick to except the goals, so have a shot. A handball to a team mate not facing the goals is a stupid option even if he had managed to get a handball off.
- Viney. Adding nothing atm. No power, getting sucked in, kicking terribly and ruining spacing. Seeing none of the selfless stuff he was getting praised about earlier in the year.
- Getting sucked into the contest and not pressuring, just getting in the way. One of the reasons we looked good early in the year was because we stopped doing this.
- GWS giving us a master-class in blocking and sheparding. Didn't see a good block all game while GWS probably did at least 20.

 

[Dory_77]

Eugh, very frustrating game. Felt like 17-19 again, butchering it in the forward line. Some decent contests, and backline was solid again, but same issues we've had for a while. Poor defence in the guts and lacking potency up forward.
Salem was good, Lever and May reliable again. TMc was good around the ground.
A lot of meh games though. ANB and Brayshaw had some good moments and some stinkers.
Pressure wasn't good enough for most of the game.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Hey mate. The selection committee were in a bit of a bind over bringing in Ben Brown. Yes he adds another key forward target in. But as we saw in our loss to Collingwood, when we went with a Tall forward set up, small defenders like Brayden Maynard were able to waltz out of defense with little to no tackling pressure. As our big lumbering forwards like Weids were just too slow to tackle them and hold the ball in our attacking half. The Pies were able to launch multiple attacks from this. It was a key reason for the loss. So no doubt Goody, Greg Stafford still have nightmares about this. Brown's off the ball work is pretty poor truth be told and his defensive work can be a liability. So you have to take the good with the bad with BBB. I think you have a similar issue at the Dogs, with Jamarra Ugle Hagan, a sublimely talented forward still not getting a game in the seniors. From what I have heard his off the ball work and tackling pressure is still not at the level required. Even though he is a freakish type talent.

Don't agree with this 100%.

If we get deep entries inside 50, it's harder to score on the counter.

Focus our energy on midfield and getting good entries and the personnel won't matter as much and we can bring in another tall.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

I would love to know who coaches our players to stop and prop and look for backwards handballs when they’re running straight at goal or have an easy 30m snap.

We’re the only side that consistently does this and it drives me absolutely nuts. When you’re running through the 50m surely you either take the shot or kick to someone’s advantage while you’ve got space.

80% of the time our guys slow down to a standstill so they can try and break a tackle then flip a handball backwards over their head. It’s insanity

 

[mrmonkey]

Could see tmac missing that before he even took the shot. Too busy worrying about the gws players coming in for the snap. Just take the drop punt.

 

[Demon bhoy]

goodys done a 180.

2018 pox backline but goals out the wazoo
2021 elite backline but couldnt kick a score if your life depended on it

and its thouroughly awful to watch too

Not sure our backline is that elite judging by the last 6 weeks, lots more bad than good in that period

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

In the end we probably had enough chances to pinch it, even if we didn’t deserve it. Fritsch hanger kick, TMac snap from 40m for no reason, Petracca dead in front...shocking misses.

And Rivers. Absolutely no poise or skill in front of goal from the lot of them.

 

[rhaz]

Not sure our backline is that elite judging by the last 6 weeks, lots more bad than good in that period

We have 3 elite players, Hibbo does alright, Rivers is alright but still learning. Hunt no good, Petty average.

Amazing how much better we looked when Tomo was playing.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

The good, the bad and the mental short people

 

[stEdy]

Worst thing was losing at the G.

Can cop being beaten on the road when you're not at your best, but we should have closed that out on the home deck against a team that are garbage at the G.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

We had about a thousand chances - game came down to getting smacked in contested ball for the first three quarters and then deplorable forward movement in the last. Got scored against too easily in all four quarters. Weideman zero marks again.

 

[SackLunch]

Big footy hate boner time.

Oliver is s**t.

He is a massive liability in the same way Cripps is for Carlton.

His disposal is putrid. Both by hand and foot.

His decision making is worse. He has a knack for choosing the wrong option 90% of the time.

He is ******* soft as a warm dog’s turd.

The absolute best thing for us would be to trade him before the (other) delusional desperado clubs of the AFL realize how putrid he is.

 

[Demon bhoy]

We have 3 elite players, Hibbo does alright, Rivers is alright but still learning. Hunt no good, Petty average.

Amazing how much better we looked when Tomo was playing.

Don’t agree about 3 elite, Salem yes and 2 good ones who have been poor at times 5 of the last 6 weeks, Tomo has Been a massive loss, our best one on one defender.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Big footy hate boner time.

Oliver is sh*t.

He is a massive liability in the same way Cripps is for Carlton.

His disposal is putrid. Both by hand and foot.

His decision making is worse. He has a knack for choosing the wrong option 90% of the time.

He is ******* soft as a warm dog’s turd.

The absolute best thing for us would be to trade him before the (other) delusional desperado clubs of the AFL realize how putrid he is.

Hard to disagree. He has elite skill at getting his hands to the footy and taking possession in tight quarters. Beyond that he is below average in many areas.

He’s only really a dangerous player when he uses his legs and brings the ball forward out of the contest then dishes to someone else who can kick. But Most of the time he runs around in circles looking for the wrong option.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Big footy hate boner time.

Oliver is sh*t.

He is a massive liability in the same way Cripps is for Carlton.

His disposal is putrid. Both by hand and foot.

His decision making is worse. He has a knack for choosing the wrong option 90% of the time.

He is ******* soft as a warm dog’s turd.

The absolute best thing for us would be to trade him before the (other) delusional desperado clubs of the AFL realize how putrid he is.

Great post, extremely sane and rational.