Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[Gralin]

Changing your views is not the same as conducting yourself in the nation's highest office in a way that does not jeopardise the country's national interests and security. That's the difference between a qualified world leader and a populist wannabe dictator like Trump.

yeah except if you elect someone and they start doing the opposite of what they said before then whats the point

if people voted for change and they get more of the same because national interest then its really saying the people don't matter

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Well Dutton is balls deep in Netanyahu - or more accurately Netanyahu is balls deep in him - so I guess you can vote for him as the alternative.

Haha yeah, no thanks

 

[Demonic Ascent]

There’s all sorts of stuff going on around the world. Personally I really resent this tiny bit of the world affecting our politics.

Unless you are completely isolationist which is basically impossible these days you cannot disengage from the outside world. As a signatory to global agreements/conventions etc we have an obligation. Either they mean something or they don't. You can't pick and choose.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Changing your views is not the same as conducting yourself in the nation's highest office in a way that does not jeopardise the country's national interests and security. That's the difference between a qualified world leader and a populist wannabe dictator like Trump.

How does calling for Israel to cease their war crimes/genocide in Gaza/West Bank jeopardise our national interest and security? How does ceasing to support Israel commit their war crimes/genocide in Gaza/West Bank jeopardise our national interest and security?

I can understand the argument "he who is without sin" etc considering our own participation in war crimes and wars of aggression however under a different government I would hope that new government would stand for higher principles. It seems they don't.

 

[QuietB]

Haha yeah, no thanks

It does highlight the difficulty Albanese has.

Dutton automatically offers unconditional support to Netanyahu and the Australian media always offers unconditional protection if not support to Dutton (if they disagree with Dutton's position they will simply remain silent - hence unconditional protection).

This is the reality Albanese has to navigate. So he could die on this hill, but what for? He will achieve nothing except political loss.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

It does highlight the difficulty Albanese has.

Dutton automatically offers unconditional support to Netanyahu and the Australian media always offers unconditional protection if not support to Dutton (if they disagree with Dutton's position they will simply remain silent - hence unconditional protection).

This is the reality Albanese has to navigate. So he could die on this hill, but what for? He will achieve nothing except political loss.

I don't know, that's his call to make. Perhaps it would help him sleep better knowing he is not silently complicit in the slaughter, starvation and dispossession of a couple of million people.

 

[peetoo]

It does highlight the difficulty Albanese has.

Dutton automatically offers unconditional support to Netanyahu and the Australian media always offers unconditional protection if not support to Dutton (if they disagree with Dutton's position they will simply remain silent - hence unconditional protection).

This is the reality Albanese has to navigate. So he could die on this hill, but what for? He will achieve nothing except political loss.

Then the blood is on Duttons hands

 

[Gralin]

How does calling for Israel to cease their war crimes/genocide in Gaza/West Bank jeopardise our national interest and security? How does ceasing to support Israel commit their war crimes/genocide in Gaza/West Bank jeopardise our national interest and security?

I can understand the argument "he who is without sin" etc considering our own participation in war crimes and wars of aggression however under a different government I would hope that new government would stand for higher principles. It seems they don't.

National Interest in this case is keeping the current game going which is Western Imperialism and colonisation

Australia has been a player in that space for a long time

Apart from the direct risks of being at odds with the US and the UK on this

the other problems are the questions that it then opens Australia up to about our own ongoing colonisation and meddling in the region

you gotta hold that line or the whole house of cards gets wobbly

 

[QuietB]

I don't know, that's his call to make. Perhaps it would help him sleep better knowing he is not silently complicit in the slaughter, starvation and dispossession of a couple of million people.

We are all complicit. Netanyahu is committing a genocide in plain sight in front of the entire world and there is very little protest or resistance.

 

[Crankyhawk]

It does highlight the difficulty Albanese has.

Dutton automatically offers unconditional support to Netanyahu and the Australian media always offers unconditional protection if not support to Dutton (if they disagree with Dutton's position they will simply remain silent - hence unconditional protection).

This is the reality Albanese has to navigate. So he could die on this hill, but what for? He will achieve nothing except political loss.

There could be a political gain if albo

• engages with the anti Zionist Jews as opposed to those associations that are backing this war
• appears to be attentive to the suffering of Palestinians- potential gain in votes from younger voters and some Arabic demographics (they tend to live in those bogan seats that Dutton is targeting)
• make a point of highlighting the murdochracy as Israeli mouthpieces

 

[QuietB]

There could be a political gain if albo

• engages with the anti Zionist Jews as opposed to those associations that are backing this war
• appears to be attentive to the suffering of Palestinians- potential gain in votes from younger voters and some Arabic demographics (they tend to live in those bogan seats that Dutton is targeting)
• make a point of highlighting the murdochracy as Israeli mouthpieces

But how does he do that with an entirely disengaged electorate and the conservatives in complete control of all of the media distribution?

Last week is a perfect example of what Albanese is up against. Sky News (completely irrelevant news network if ratings are the guide) get Nigel Farage (completely irrelevant failed politician whose only accomplishment is completely screwing the British people) to ask a completely inane question to a known orange idiot and this became the lead story for the week including being the dominant story on ABC Insiders.

All we got was wall to wall Dutton referring to President Trump when Trump is not even president.

None of this going to change until Australian's do the Liberals nationally what WA did to them in their state election.

 

[justlookingaround]

yeah except if you elect someone and they start doing the opposite of what they said before then whats the point

if people voted for change and they get more of the same because national interest then its really saying the people don't matter

I do not recall the Israel/Palestine conflict factoring into the ALP's election campaign in 2022. The same cannot be said for UK Labour under Corbyn and we all know how that turned out. Politically even mentioning Israel is absolute asbestos for the left.

How does calling for Israel to cease their war crimes/genocide in Gaza/West Bank jeopardise our national interest and security? How does ceasing to support Israel commit their war crimes/genocide in Gaza/West Bank jeopardise our national interest and security?

Have you seen how a zionist reacts to Israel's treatment of Palestine being characterised as a genocide? Are you keen to see that reaction rippling through an entire country, a heavily militarised ethno-religious country with nukes and mandatory conscription?
International alliances are paper houses, and they are not based on moralism or activism. They are based upon self interest through mutual interest. Australia's interests are directly tied to the US through military dependance. Israel is the US's most significant ally in the middle east. Any interference on Australia's part would well and truly be met with a stay in your lane.
There is a reason Australia supports Israel in the first place - this is not a new development, Australia has had a diplomatic alliance with Israel since its inception. 80 years of relations can be destroyed in a day.
If you look at the history, it is clear Israel will not be swayed. They believe themselves to be completely justified in their conduct. They would be more likely to become a hermit kingdom in response to widespread international pressure than take their foot off the pedal.

 

[Crankyhawk]

But how does he do that with an entirely disengaged electorate and the conservatives in complete control of all of the media distribution?

Last week is a perfect example of what Albanese is up against. Sky News (completely irrelevant news network if ratings are the guide) get Nigel Farage (completely irrelevant failed politician whose only accomplishment is completely screwing the British people) to ask a completely inane question to a known orange idiot and this became the lead story for the week including being the dominant story on ABC Insiders.

All we got was wall to wall Dutton referring to President Trump when Trump is not even president.

None of this going to change until Australian's do the Liberals nationally what WA did to them in their state election.

Perhaps take a leaf from trumps book and engage directly via social media. Maybe even give interviews to channel6 and really seek to prove that kids can do media better than adults. Directly insult and slag off established media

Edit and we the left leaning members of the public need to repeatedly contact abc radio to voice our concerns with the conduct of the lamestream media.

 

[Gralin]

I do not recall the Israel/Palestine conflict factoring into the ALP's election campaign in 2022. The same cannot be said for UK Labour under Corbyn and we all know how that turned out. Politically even mentioning Israel is absolute asbestos for the left.

Albo isn't left so not really sure the relevance

I also didn't specify Israel, you could pick almost any topic and there would be a video or tweet of Albo holding the opposite position on it prior to being Prime Minster but still while being an elected MP

so people see him saying things like raise the rate etc and would expect that when in power he'd do just that

that's not a national security issue, its not in the national interest as far as the actual nation goes, but as far as the political system and donors go it is in their interests to maintain the status quo

 

[peetoo]

It’s like when they wanted Gillard to be a champion for SSM when personally she’s not a fan of marriage full stop

Anyway if we are leading the international space, gonna save a lot more folk especially in our Asia pacific region by taking a lead on climate emergency than this theatre

 

[justlookingaround]

Albo isn't left so not really sure the relevance

I also didn't specify Israel, you could pick almost any topic and there would be a video or tweet of Albo holding the opposite position on it prior to being Prime Minster but still while being an elected MP

so people see him saying things like raise the rate etc and would expect that when in power he'd do just that

that's not a national security issue, its not in the national interest as far as the actual nation goes, but as far as the political system and donors go it is in their interests to maintain the status quo

yeah, can't really disagree with that

 

[QuietB]

Perhaps take a leaf from trumps book and engage directly via social media. Maybe even give interviews to channel6 and really seek to prove that kids can do media better than adults. Directly insult and slag off established media

Edit and we the left leaning members of the public need to repeatedly contact abc radio to voice our concerns with the conduct of the lamestream media.

One of the things Dan Andrews was elite at

 

[Forward Press]

All we got was wall to wall Dutton referring to President Trump when Trump is not even president.

Going to be that person and say that formally you still call former presidents by their title.

eg President Clinton visited President Obama and had lunch with President Bush at the Outback Steakhouse'.

 

[Forward Press]

One of the things Dan Andrews was elite at

Even as long ago as President Obama's first term, he focused more on 'alternative' media eg social media, smaller scale community engagement etc instead of taking out TV ads and appearing on NBC/ABC/CBS every night etc.

This is the way to go. Let Dutton et al chase the tiny viewership of Sky, Albo et al should engage with youngsters via social media.

 

[QuietB]

Going to be that person and say that formally you still call former presidents by their title.

eg President Clinton visited President Obama and had lunch with President Bush at the Outback Steakhouse'.

Further proof Americans are idiots

 

[peetoo]

Yay. 1000 new jobs…..in the UK

Tell us the one about Nukes again Dutton old bean

 

[QuietB]

Yay. 1000 new jobs…..in the UK

Tell us the one about Nukes again Dutton old bean

Reserve Bank will be happy

 

[Rotayjay]

Hard to believe we are sending billions to the UK and US to build their submarines when their economies dwarf ours.

They have the nuclear propulsion technology, we don't, we want it, so we need to pay the piper in our weak bargaining position.

 

[Not Important]

hypocrisy! guns for hire should stay in their "homeland". or do as they've done in south africa and pursue them through the justice system.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Another major party scam.

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