Prediction Best 22 for Round One, 2017

[Nursie]

Our best 22 is improved but looking at GWS's best 22 makes me not want to play this game.
They are going to destroy the 2017 comp.

 

[Hoos]

Cotchin played his best footy on the outside or at HB flank so Wing or HBF for him

To be honest, I hadn't even thought of him playing back there. Just automatically plonk him on the ball. I really like the idea of Cotchin playing off half back, very much like what Matthew Boyd does for the Dogs.

Vlastuin is a tackling machine and great overhead should play in the guts

Can't have too many hard nuts in the middle. Be interesting how he goes if left there for a while.

 

[richoatthedisco]

B - Grimes Astbury Richards
HB - Yarran Rance Markov
C - Prestia Martin McIntosh
HF - Caddy Riewoldt Edwards
F - Lloyd Griffiths Rioli
R - Nankervis Barlow Cotchin
I - (from) Vlastuin Grigg Conca Menadue CEllis Short BEllis

 

[Rfc2016]

Martin is very good at getting the ball and moving it forward, can be a bit loose by foot and doesn't like to chase back, with Caddy, Prestia and Vlas in the guts we have more than enough grunt there

Adding Martin on the HFF and Cotchin on the HBF gives us quality, grunt and ball winning ability in 3/4 of the ground and all 3 lines, other sides would kill for that luxury....

Cotchin will be setting plays up from the back and Martin throwing himself around at HF is very damaging...
We still lack a super quick tackling machine in the fwd pocket but maybe we can turn Edwards into that

This side has talent, more than enough to go deep in September, we need a good run with injuries, we have a soft draw and just need courage from the coach to open the game up and let our guys take the game on.

If Cotchin is playing HBF next year, I'll give up!

 

[NaturalDisaster]

Our best 22 is improved but looking at GWS's best 22 makes me not want to play this game.
They are going to destroy the 2017 comp.

I agree it does seem that way, but i don't think it'll be as bad as we think.. smart teams/coaches will find ways to beat them eventually

 

[Football Tragic]

B - Grimes Astbury Vlaustin
HB - Yarran/Markov Rance Houli
C - BEllis Martin McIntosh
HF - Caddy Riewoldt Lennon
F - Edwards Nankervis Rioli
R - Hampson Prestia Cotchin
I - Grigg Conca Menadue CEllis

Yarran will be the first choice off half back but if he doesn't come up then Markov will easily slip into the position. Griffiths will more than likely be our forward/ruck option but I would like to see how Nankeris plays that role in round one. We have plenty of multi-positional midfield players in the side next year including mid/forward such as Martin, Caddy, Edwards and Cotchin plus mid/defender such as Vlaustin, Houli, Yarran, BEllis and McIntosh. Even Riewoldt has had stints in the midfield at times this year. I'm unsure whether Prestia can play forward but I'm sure he could play half forward if needs be.

All in all we have a much more rounded team now that just needs time to learn how to play together now

 

[theflea]

B: Grimes, Astbury, Vlastuin
HB: Yarran, Rance, Houli
C: Prestia, Martin, McIntosh
HF: Edwards, Griffiths, Lennon
FF: Rioli, Rewoldt, Lloyd
Rucks: Hampson, Caddy, Cotchin
Int: Nankervis, CEllis, Bellis, Menadue, Conca, Markov, Grigg, Short etc.

 

[exceptional design]

B: Grimes, Astbury, Vlastuin
HB: Yarran, Rance, Houli
C: Prestia, Martin, McIntosh
HF: Edwards, Griffiths, Lennon
FF: Rioli, Rewoldt, Lloyd
Rucks: Hampson, Caddy, Cotchin
Int: Nankervis, CEllis, Bellis, Menadue, Conca, Markov, Grigg, Short etc.

No Chaplin???

 

[_RT_]

B: Short Astbury Grimes
HB: Houli Rance Vlastuin
C: B.Ellis Cotchin McIntosh
HF: Martin Riewoldt Lennon
F: Rioli Griffiths Lloyd
R: Nankervis Caddy Prestia
INT: Conca Markov C.Ellis Menadue

Been thinking about how I want to see us line up for next year, while also looking at how the Dogs play and set up and the above is as close as I can get. 5 genuine talls that are the spine of the side, around them load up with genuine midfielders and hard running flankers.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Short Astbury Grimes
Houli Rance McIntosh
Menadue Cotch Markov
Rioli Griff Prestia
Edwards Reiwoldt Caddy
Nankervis Vlastuin Martin
Ellis X2, Miles, Cedric
Emergency Lennon Lloyd Grigg

 

[WWSD]

Richmond 2017 best 22

B: Nick Vlastuin, Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes

HB: Oleg Markov, David Astbury, Bachar Houli

C: Chris Yarran, Trent Cotchin, Brandon Ellis

HF: Shane Edwards, Ben Griffiths, Josh Caddy

F: Jayden Short, Jack Riewoldt, Daniel Rioli

R: Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Dustin Martin

INT: Anthony Miles, Jason Costagna, Shaun Grigg, Kamdyn McIntosh

 

[Sassafras]

Richmond 2017 best 22

B: Nick Vlastuin, Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes

HB: Oleg Markov, David Astbury, Bachar Houli

C: Chris Yarran, Trent Cotchin, Brandon Ellis

HF: Shane Edwards, Ben Griffiths, Josh Caddy

F: Jayden Short, Jack Riewoldt, Daniel Rioli

R: Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Dustin Martin

INT: Anthony Miles, Jason Costagna, Shaun Grigg, Kamdyn McIntosh

Assuming he plays, I especially like the way you have Yarran on the wing. So many people have him on the HB line when he isn't defensive enough.

 

[Metapod]

Forgot about Short in my team.
Grigg's spot under threat or we go in with one less tall.
Interesting. Depth is there now, quality of the depth is younger which is a positive.


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Think Short did enough last year to cement his spot. Grigg is an interesting one, still think good sides have a couple of foot soldiers ala Grigg.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Gotta grab Richards from Swans. That will give us good tall forward depth.

 

[Tango67]

If Cotchin is playing HBF next year, I'll give up!

Better give up..... lol

2 X genuine starting mids come in and 2 need to go out, add Vlastuin and 3 go out?
Cotchin and Martin are 2 that could cause damage back and forward, however Cotchin could easily play wing

 

[captain cotch 9]

I think Brandon Ellis could be the big winner from Caddy and Prestia coming in. He could also fill the spot left by Lids

 

[Tango67]

I think Brandon Ellis could be the big winner from Caddy and Prestia coming in. He could also fill the spot left by Lids

Unfortunately Brandon has no pace, that severely restricts him, usually guys without pace need to be very skilled like Mitchell, or very strong inside but he is neither, also his foot skills are not damaging when he gets on the outside.,..

The one thing Brandon does have is elite endurance, meaning no one outruns him, I think for him his best chance of staying in the side is as a run with player as no one would out run him, it worked for tivendale and Nathan bower and Grigg.

The game has changed and specialist positions are few and far between you are either
Outside: with speed, foot skills and evasiveness
Inside: tough, relentless, ball winning, tackle machine
KP, or lock down back, crumbling forward
Sadly I don't see Brandon fitting any of the above in a good side.

 

[baphomet]

If Cotchin is playing HBF next year, I'll give up!

Deledio is class in that role

Without him there will be a big hole in regard to class and rebound being created from the hbf

Will vlastuin ever be able to be released to the midfield?

Yarren could be vital

 

[baphomet]

Better give up..... lol

2 X genuine starting mids come in and 2 need to go out, add Vlastuin and 3 go out?
Cotchin and Martin are 2 that could cause damage back and forward, however Cotchin could easily play wing

I would personally like to see martin full forward

Cotchin forward pocket / flank

Along with rioli and jack it would be nic to have the class near the goals.

This should be realistic now given Prestia and caddy

 

[Bobsleder]

Short, Rance, Grimes
Vlaus*, Astbury, Houli
Kmac, Cotch, Conca
Edwards*, Jack, Caddy*
Lloyd, Griff, Rioli

Nank, Martin, Prestia

Grigg*, Cellis*, Bellis*, Markov (7 def)

mids*

Emerg: Miles, Lennon, menadue

 

[_RT_]

Unfortunately Brandon has no pace, that severely restricts him, usually guys without pace need to be very skilled like Mitchell, or very strong inside but he is neither, also his foot skills are not damaging when he gets on the outside.,..

The one thing Brandon does have is elite endurance, meaning no one outruns him, I think for him his best chance of staying in the side is as a run with player as no one would out run him, it worked for tivendale and Nathan bower and Grigg.

The game has changed and specialist positions are few and far between you are either
Outside: with speed, foot skills and evasiveness
Inside: tough, relentless, ball winning, tackle machine
KP, or lock down back, crumbling forward
Sadly I don't see Brandon fitting any of the above in a good side.

Beg to differ on Brandon, his year where he made the AA squad was based on him being the outside link up midfielder who ran for longer and harder than his opponent and delivered the ball quickly and accurately into the F50. This year he was being asked to play more inside and that isn't his strength. With the addition of Caddy and Prestia we can put him back on the wing and let him run from the back pocket to the HFF and use his endurance to patrol the fat side of the ground. He doesn't need to be quick, what he does need to be is running as hard in the last quarter as the first quarter and he'll come into his own. Put McIntosh on the opposite wing and we've got 2 all day runners that will still be grinding away at the end of the game. Add endurance specialists in Menadue and Markov to the mix and we're well stacked for outside run.

 

[exceptional design]

I would personally like to see martin full forward

I like your thinking.
We don't have a Johnathon Brown type centre half forward yet.
The ball in the forward line is mostly on the ground, and rarely are pack marks taken when bombing the ball in. This needs to change for us.

Jack's best spot is FF.
Jack torches most back men when he has space in the forward to line to lead up.
I don't think you would find that Kennedy, Buddy, Lynch spend much time away froward of the centre square.
At FF he doesn't need much break time on the bench.

Martin is brilliant one on one near goals, and also damaging near in the midfield, but he doesn't go deep into defense when in the midfield, and not as defensive as other mids. If he gets a big witches hat KPD manning him, even more bonus for us.
To have him at CHF means he can both be goal kicker and midfield. I would prefer to play an extra mid rather around the ball than an extra back man.
Martin can take a break by putting Griff or Nank forward while the other plays ruck.

 

[Rfc2016]

Better give up..... lol

2 X genuine starting mids come in and 2 need to go out, add Vlastuin and 3 go out?
Cotchin and Martin are 2 that could cause damage back and forward, however Cotchin could easily play wing

You do realise that both Cotchin and Martin are better players than Caddy and Prestia? Because the midfield numbers grow doesn't mean that players move out to accommodate them. It means you have more rotations and fresher players.
I don't think Cotchin will be a HBF next year.

 

[baphomet]

You do realise that both Cotchin and Martin are better players than Caddy and Prestia? Because the midfield numbers grow doesn't mean that players move out to accommodate them. It means you have more rotations and fresher players.
I don't think Cotchin will be a HBF next year.

Martin is better as a forward. About the most dangerous one out player in the game - if you double team him there is a free player at or behind he ball.

Cotchins class would be helpful too there. From memory some of his junior and early football afl was outstanding as a HFF as he drew Gary Ablett jnr comparisons

Prestia and caddy should allow Cotchin and martin to go more often forward. As should the further development of miles. C Ellis. Mcintosh. Vlastuin. You could argue vlastuin and miles are wasted anywhere but in the guts. As they are less talented than martin and Cotchin.

We also indeed have problems replacing deledio forward and back. Cotchin and martin will help forward, back looks concerning. The like of short and Houli are not fit to lace lids boots.

Still a pretty good deal overall with two future picks, one first round. Thousands of Richmond fans praying it unravels for Geelong next season.

 

[prodigy]

I'm hoping Markov returns to a half forward role next season.
If Lennon pulls his finger out, he and Markov could really make the HF line their own.
We have talent on every line, it's just a matter of it all gelling. We'll get there.


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