Traded Brodie Grundy [traded to Sydney for #46 and F2]

[jdstorm]

Better off just getting his whole salary off the books for free agency next year

Oh I was assuming that was already happening. Trade grundy to Sydney for a token 2nd or 3rd and not have to pay anything. Just be done with it.

Melbourne have a bunch of firsts but I don’t think their list needs them to take that many. So I was suggesting they use them to increase their list quality/load up on future cap space

 

[Vindicater]

Surely a 2nd for Grundy just gets it done.

 

[markm106]

Surely a 2nd for Grundy just gets it done.

Yeah I’d think so. I don’t see any reason this should not be done early on. But imagine there’ll be a bit of niggle over the deal like most trades.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Surely with St Kilda/Essendon looking to rort Gresham situation, Dees and Swans should also since Swans also favorite for Jordan.

1. Dees trade Grundy to swans and pickup 100% salary for pick 30

2. Swans bring in Jordan as FA on 850k a year for 5 years

3. Dees get band 1 compo (For Jordan) and pick 30 (For Grundy)

4. Swans get Grundy and Jordan for 850k a year and pick 30

Seems every club is looking to rort FA now anyway may as well get in on the action.

Im thinking more

Jordan to Geelong on a 5 year 4 mill deal
Grundy to Swans for pick 30(pay all of salary)
Peter Ladhams + pick 11 for Jack Bowes

Demons get pick 22 for Grundy and pay zero salary
Geelong get pick 11, Ladhams and Jordan for Jack Bowes
Sydney get rid of Ladhams and get Grundy + Bowes in for pick 11 and 30

 

[CrowFan77]

Demons get pick 22 for Grundy and pay zero salary

So, you think Melb should get a better pick than they gave up to get him last year and pay zero salary? WTF?

 

[Thuggee_Cult]

No is not, but he's not good enough to play AFL for Melbourne which is embarrassing.

And Collingwood didn't want him.

If Collingwood don't pay the extra funds, what does that mean to his chances of going to Sydney?

Presumably it happens, not hearing otherwise, but this merry-go-round is because he grossly overpaid, that's all.

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The part about Melbourne is true, he is their second choice.

However the part about Collingwood not wanting him is not true.

Two things happened.

The Pies had to do a salary dump.

He got injured last year and the Pies where happy with their ruck depth, they reluctantly had to let him go to fill holes in other parts of the ground.

As for the Swans , even at 30yo and his high price tag he is a massive upgrade from Ladhams, I will welcome him with open arms.

In the end the bargaining between the Dees and Swans will be about salary share. If the Dees pay more we give a higher draft pick, if we pay more we offer a lower pick.

 

[LoBu]

The part about Melbourne is true, he is their second choice.

However the part about Collingwood not wanting him is not true.

Two things happened.

The Pies had to do a salary dump.

He got injured last year and the Pies where happy with their ruck depth, they reluctantly had to let him go to fill holes in other parts of the ground.

As for the Swans , even at 30yo and his high price tag he is a massive upgrade from Ladhams, I will welcome him with open arms.

In the end the bargaining between the Dees and Swans will be about salary share. If the Dees pay more we give a higher draft pick, if we pay more we offer a lower pick.

RE Collingwood, I recall Collingwood signing Darcy Cameron on good money mid last year, effectively telling Grundy that Cameron was the first choice.

They could have kept Grundy and not signed Cameron, but I get that was the squeeze.

However, my maths is:

$1,000,000 for Grundy
+
$600,000 for McStay
+
$250,000 for Cox = $1.85 million for three list spots

or
$500,000 for Cameron
+
$600,000 for McStay
+
$250,000 for Grundy
+
$250,000 for Cox = $1.6 million for three list spots

So they have saved $250,000. Tell me they couldn't have found $250k somewhere if they really wanted Grundy?

Collingwood wanted Cameron over Grundy to save $250k.

PS I have guessed Cameron and Cox so could be all wrong (they could be on more or less).

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

Honestly this is just telling us the bleeding obvious as the Pies have a contract commitment... which they can't just void.

All those cheeky Dees supporters and all their backyard lawyering think otherwise.

Go on you scallly wags. Back to your cheeseboards & preliminary final losses.

 

[Arrr]

Im thinking more

Jordan to Geelong on a 5 year 4 mill deal
Grundy to Swans for pick 30(pay all of salary)
Peter Ladhams + pick 11 for Jack Bowes

Demons get pick 22 for Grundy and pay zero salary
Geelong get pick 11, Ladhams and Jordan for Jack Bowes
Sydney get rid of Ladhams and get Grundy + Bowes in for pick 11 and 30

Point 1
Why would Geelong pay 800K per season for 5 years for a fringe player?

Point 2
Makes total sense.

Point 3
Ladhams wouldn't be on big money so I wouldn't be so keen to get rid of him that I would be throwing in pick 11 with it for an over paid Bowes. Makes zero sense from Sydney to do this trade.

 

[Mich0]

Im thinking more

Jordan to Geelong on a 5 year 4 mill deal
Grundy to Swans for pick 30(pay all of salary)
Peter Ladhams + pick 11 for Jack Bowes

Demons get pick 22 for Grundy and pay zero salary
Geelong get pick 11, Ladhams and Jordan for Jack Bowes
Sydney get rid of Ladhams and get Grundy + Bowes in for pick 11 and 30

This could get Dees band 1 compo for Jordan as well. Considering age is part of the algorithm and he is only 22

 

[Suma Magic]

This could get Dees band 1 compo for Jordan as well. Considering age is part of the algorithm and he is only 22

The formula treats a 22 year old as a 25 year old.

 

[The Tilt]

Money, money, money: Why the Grundy poker game is heating up

As Brodie Grundy’s pending move to Sydney draws closer, there remains one small but significant hurdle that all parties need to jump: Money.

www.theage.com.au

Interesting article in the Age on the Grundy situation:

"Three sources close to Grundy, who were not able to talk publicly because of the sensitivity of negotiations, confirmed that he wants to join the Swans and a deal between the Demons and the Swans is expected to be reached where Melbourne will no longer pay part of Grundy’s contract.

About $650,000 is expected to be taken on by his new club, who will honour the remaining four seasons on his contract."

"This column can reveal that, when the deal goes through, Collingwood will seek clarity from the AFL as to whether the club can remove itself from the deal, and therefore clear the $350,000-a-year space in their future total player payments."

You'd think that the "clarity" on whether Collingwood can remove itself from the deal would be sought prior to the Swans and Melbourne agreeing to a trade, but we'll see.

 

[hawkinoz]

This could get Dees band 1 compo for Jordan as well. Considering age is part of the algorithm and he is only 22

How is James Jordan a FA at age 22.. I thought players needs to have been at club for 7-8 yrs for FA rules to apply & compo to be given.

If he is a delisted FA, then surely compo doesn't apply for them. If it does, the clubs will delist more players and pick them and can game the system lot more.

Jordon was drafted by Melbourne at pick 33 in the 2018 draft and has played 60 games. Kosi was draft by hawks in 2018 at pick 52 and he is OOC and asked to be traded to Tigers. He is not free agent, so how is Jordan one.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

How is James Jordan a FA at age 22.. I thought players needs to have been at club for 7-8 yrs for FA rules to apply & compo to be given.

If he is a delisted FA, then surely compo doesn't apply for them. If it does, the clubs will delist more players and pick them and can game the system lot more.

Jordon was drafted by Melbourne at pick 33 in the 2018 draft and has played 60 games. Kosi was draft by hawks in 2018 at pick 52 and he is OOC and asked to be traded to Tigers. He is not free agent, so how is Jordan one.

He was delisted and re-rookied. As soon as he was delisted, he became a free agent.

 

[hawkinoz]

He was delisted and re-rookied. As soon as he was delisted, he became a free agent.

There is no compo for such FA. Hugh Greenwood was delisted by Suns with promise he will be picked back.

North jumped in and picked him in FA period. AFAIK Suns didn't get compo for that.

Whole point of compo pick is for clubs who have put effort in developing players( mostly KPP) and to be compensated if they lose them.

Hawks had delisted Seamus Mitchell last yr and picked him back. We are at risk of losing him anytime he is OOC. Are we saying that next time he is OOC we can game the system and ask some team to pay overs for him so we get Band 1 or 2 compo and then send some picks back to the other team.

if so we have a few fringe players in our list like Ned Long, Jai Serong, Bramble, Morrison etc. We should delist them all, pick them back up for 1 yr contract if no other club takes them and then make bank if they show some promise in 2024.

 

[Mich0]

There is no compo for such FA. Hugh Greenwood was delisted by Suns with promise he will be picked back.

North jumped in and picked him in FA period. AFAIK Suns didn't get compo for that.

Whole point of compo pick is for clubs who have put effort in developing players( mostly KPP) and to be compensated if they lose them.

Hawks had delisted Seamus Mitchell last yr and picked him back. We are at risk of losing him anytime he is OOC. Are we saying that next time he is OOC we can game the system and ask some team to pay overs for him so we get Band 1 or 2 compo and then send some picks back to the other team.

if so we have a few fringe players in our list like Ned Long, Jai Serong, Bramble, Morrison etc. We should delist them all, pick them back up for 1 yr contract if no other club takes them and then make bank if they show some promise in 2024.

Yep you should if you got space. Probably another possible rort right there waiting for clubs to get tucked into.

 

[VinnieB]

PIES WILL CONTINUE TO PAY GRUNDY SALARY

Collingwood has no intention of trying to wriggle out of any contract obligations to Brodie Grundy despite him moving onto a third club in the coming trade period.

Despite trade speculation the Pies might ask the AFL if they still had a responsibility to pay Grundy $250,000 a season for four more years, Collingwood is aware of its commitment.

They signed a heads of agreement with Grundy rather than the Demons to pay a portion of his contract, with Melbourne paying the extra $650,000 plus.

It means while Melbourne will remove his salary on a deal through to 2027 the Pies will hold up their end of the bargain.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ralphys-trade-wrap-pies-will-continue-to-pay-grundy-salary-hawthorns-next-move-after-missing-mckay/news-story/a1ed7f236935ca0c10446cb4f74dcd01

It's staggering how conflicted the reports are, with now it being reported that the Pies have an agreement with Melbourne and not Grundy.

If only all contracts were made public....

 

[Fat Tony!]

There is no compo for such FA. Hugh Greenwood was delisted by Suns with promise he will be picked back.

North jumped in and picked him in FA period. AFAIK Suns didn't get compo for that.

Whole point of compo pick is for clubs who have put effort in developing players( mostly KPP) and to be compensated if they lose them.

Hawks had delisted Seamus Mitchell last yr and picked him back. We are at risk of losing him anytime he is OOC. Are we saying that next time he is OOC we can game the system and ask some team to pay overs for him so we get Band 1 or 2 compo and then send some picks back to the other team.

if so we have a few fringe players in our list like Ned Long, Jai Serong, Bramble, Morrison etc. We should delist them all, pick them back up for 1 yr contract if no other club takes them and then make bank if they show some promise in 2024.

I think he is a normal unrestricted free agent. The compensation will reflect his age, salary and the length of the new contract.

Free agents who do not generate any compensation are typically over 30.

 

[Kings of Lygon]

It's staggering how conflicted the reports are, with now it being reported that the Pies have an agreement with Melbourne and not Grundy.

If only all contracts were made public....

That isn't what that article says at all... It clearly states the Pies "signed a heads of agreement with Grundy" which is precisely what the reports also say that I've previously posted in this thread.

That also clearly states again that they are on the hook for "$250,000 a season for four more years".

It is Collingwood posters and really only Collingwood posters who have tried (poorly) to dispute the terms and payment amounts.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Money, money, money: Why the Grundy poker game is heating up

As Brodie Grundy’s pending move to Sydney draws closer, there remains one small but significant hurdle that all parties need to jump: Money.

www.theage.com.au

Interesting article in the Age on the Grundy situation:

"Three sources close to Grundy, who were not able to talk publicly because of the sensitivity of negotiations, confirmed that he wants to join the Swans and a deal between the Demons and the Swans is expected to be reached where Melbourne will no longer pay part of Grundy’s contract.

About $650,000 is expected to be taken on by his new club, who will honour the remaining four seasons on his contract."

"This column can reveal that, when the deal goes through, Collingwood will seek clarity from the AFL as to whether the club can remove itself from the deal, and therefore clear the $350,000-a-year space in their future total player payments."

You'd think that the "clarity" on whether Collingwood can remove itself from the deal would be sought prior to the Swans and Melbourne agreeing to a trade, but we'll see.

That reads like Collingwood potentially giving up a draft pick so Sydney takes on Grundy's full wage. Not that they're off the hook if Grundy leaves which would be absurd.

 

[TW Sherrin]

That isn't what that article says at all... It clearly states the Pies "signed a heads of agreement with Grundy" which is precisely what the reports also say that I've previously posted in this thread.

That also clearly states again that they are on the hook for "$250,000 a season for four more years".

It is Collingwood posters and really only Collingwood posters who have tried (poorly) to dispute the terms and payment amounts.

thanks for the confirmation. good news for the pies.

no contract in place only a non binding "heads of agreement" which was signed for him to play at Melbourne.

 

[RocketBooster]

Who could have predicted that Collingwood ends up giving Sydney back a very very very generous $350K per season COLA for us to have Grundy in Sydney
Thanks Collingwood!

 

[Bevoman]

Money, money, money: Why the Grundy poker game is heating up

As Brodie Grundy’s pending move to Sydney draws closer, there remains one small but significant hurdle that all parties need to jump: Money.

www.theage.com.au

Interesting article in the Age on the Grundy situation:

"Three sources close to Grundy, who were not able to talk publicly because of the sensitivity of negotiations, confirmed that he wants to join the Swans and a deal between the Demons and the Swans is expected to be reached where Melbourne will no longer pay part of Grundy’s contract.

About $650,000 is expected to be taken on by his new club, who will honour the remaining four seasons on his contract."

"This column can reveal that, when the deal goes through, Collingwood will seek clarity from the AFL as to whether the club can remove itself from the deal, and therefore clear the $350,000-a-year space in their future total player payments."

You'd think that the "clarity" on whether Collingwood can remove itself from the deal would be sought prior to the Swans and Melbourne agreeing to a trade, but we'll see.

Ironically Port thought they had a home town advantage; but Grundy's missus, a Covid nurse will not live in Adelaide.
The potential spanner may be the Pies not wanting to continue to pay their $350K wack where the AFL always rules in Sydney’s favour.

 

[Kings of Lygon]

thanks for the confirmation. good news for the pies.

no contract in place only a non binding "heads of agreement" which was signed for him to play at Melbourne.

Jeez, you guys never give up the delusion do you? Why can't you lot just accept that you're paying Grundy and Treloar to play at other clubs?

Who says it's non-binding? Heads of agreements can certainly be a contract which are enforceable by the parties to it. Do you really think millionaire Grundy didn't have top legal represetation look over it to make sure he got his, no matter what happens?

Collingwood aren't getting away from their huge balls up with the Grundy contract. Pies posters really need to come to terms with it...

 

[Millky95]

AFL always rules in Sydney’s favour.

Yeah that trade ban for following the rules was completely in our favour...