Review Cats flog West Coast by 85 points for PFD 300th

[Willo_]

I thought Sav showed enough to suggest that with a pre season there and then playing 2s as a KPD he may turn into something... Certainly no harm in trying him, especially given our lack of depth in KPD stock (and assuming he is under contract still)


And on Ceglar, yes he did all he could, and credit to him because he put his best foot forward... he also was against a young raw ruckman who has played under 20 games and who Eagle fans were happy with after the game for playing his best ever game.. Let's not read to much into it, Ceglar was only brought in as a back up and to replace Darcy Fort

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Darcy Fort

Age

30

Ht

204cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

2.9

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

9.2

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.2

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.2

4star

basically... Nothing has changed in that regard.

 

[you pick one]

• Dec 16, 2020
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Time for Scarlo to take on Esava

The signing of Cameron has put a dent in the chances of Esava being the next key forward at the Cats even if his boots hadn't already,at 197cm and 102 kg he's the Lonergan size and my choice to be given first crack down back now Q9 has departed.Pro's he'd stiffen up the backline he tackles hard hits packs with ferocity also has very good ground skills for his size,he's not slow and capable of doing the Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

Age

35

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

type ruck work deep in defence.Best of all he's 22 and IMO has massive up side.I think Scarlo could in time develop this bloke into a AA footballer in the right position.

Ummm thread closed.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Sav is lacking in footy IQ and is just so slow to react to the events that are about to unfold. He is also a klutz and prone to giving away cheap frees.
Check out Stewart and SDK... they are very balanced and rarely give away frees for arm chops, illegal holds, pushes in the back or undisciplined actions. I just can't see Sav ever possessing these critical traits that can clearly be honed but in many respects, are innate.

Are you comparing SavRat to SDK and Stewart ???
One being an AA Elite defender without many peers.
Whilst the other an up & coming elite key defender.
That was Sav's first game as a backman...u do know that? First AFL game and probably he's 3rd as CHB-FB in the past 6 years.
FMD u just lost me on whatever point you were trying make after that buddy.
Cheers I'll see myself out.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Our team has plenty of depth.
I think we should only draft A A+ players and build the other team from within.

I do not see the benefit of drafting slightly better than average players.

The extremes are Danger and Cameron and then a host of players from our sup list.

Drafting or Trading?? There is a difference.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I thought he was good yesterday given the quality of his opponent and the fact he's been playing key back for about a month. Certainly improved dramatically from his first VFL game in the position.

He was good but i agree with catempire in that because west coast had such a low number of inside 50s you cant judge his capability until a game in which he is challenged more.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

I wonder how it would look had Ceglar not struggled with injury the whole season. I feel like he could've been our clear no.1 ruck.

Bingo.

Stanley clear number one now but it could of been very different if not for injury.

You can only beat who you're up against, and given he's had no continuity, it was a great performance.

If he's our backup, and he likely is now, boy are we in good shape in the ruck department

 

[nohairandfair]

Are you comparing SavRat to SDK and Stewart ???
One being an AA Elite defender without many peers.
Whilst the other an up & coming elite key defender.
That was Sav's first game as a backman...u do know that? First AFL game and probably he's 3rd as CHB-FB in the past 6 years.
FMD u just lost me on whatever point you were trying make after that buddy.
Cheers I'll see myself out.

Says the dude that believes Sav's career is tracking along nicely, much like Lonergan and Blicavs. Ludicrous but funny all the same.

 

[nohairandfair]

Sav gave away 1 free last night.

One swallow does not make a summer. The ball only entered his area a few times.

Sav still managed to throw himself around recklessly into crazy positions that have a real possibility to either injure himself, his opponent or even worse, his teammates. He just can't keep his feet and is a bit of a loose cannon.

 

[Hamingja]

Our team has plenty of depth.
I think we should only draft A A+ players and build the other team from within.

I do not see the benefit of drafting slightly better than average players.

That would work well if we weren't entering the draft at pick 20, 40, 60 etc. Would be nice to draft a Max King, Sam Walsh or Aaron Naughton but alas slight flaw in that plan.

 

[you pick one]

One swallow does not make a summer. The ball only entered his area a few times.

Sav still managed to throw himself around recklessly into crazy positions to either injure himself, his opponent or even worse, his teammates. He just can't keep his feet and is a bit of a loose cannon.

Nothing puts the shits up a forward more.

 

[Hamingja]

Sav is the same as Kreuger for mine. If the club have written him off as a forward then Sav should jump at the first opportunity elsewhere. One half decent game slotting in to a well structured back line, against a poor AFL opponent, does not a defender make. We have enough ruck options at the club now. He should just be plonked in the forward line at VFL level and sink or swim. If the club think they can't improve his forward nous or kicking as a specialist forward, abandoning all ruck work, then let him go.

 

[catempire]

Who then?

I was going by memory being at the game which turns out was faulty.

The first was the bullshit free kick paid by the out of zone umpire 150m away.

The second was on Ratugolea who was blocked out of the contest by Rioli. At the time I thought it was Zuthrie who manned the mark.

In any event, I can’t see any case to say Darling had the better of him. There were limited one on one contests between them and Darling won zero of them.

 

[nohairandfair]

I was going by memory being at the game which turns out was faulty.

The first was the bullshit free kick paid by the out of zone umpire 150m away.

The second was on Ratugolea who was blocked out of the contest by Rioli. At the time I thought it was Zuthrie who manned the mark.

In any event, I can’t see any case to say Darling had the better of him. There were limited one on one contests between them and Darling won zero of them.

Very funny, you just named two contests. Anyway, he's certainly not a bona fide defender just yet and would get owned by any decent tall forward that had something to play for. He just can't be played in a finals game... that would be hari-kari.

 

[catempire]

Very funny, you just named two contests. Anyway, he's certainly not a bona fide defender just yet and would get owned by any decent tall forward that had something to play for. He just can't be played in a finals game... that would be hari-kari.

Hilarious. I explained why they weren’t actually contests.

FWIW, I don’t want to see him anywhere near a finals side.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I thought Sav showed enough to suggest that with a pre season there and then playing 2s as a KPD he may turn into something... Certainly no harm in trying him, especially given our lack of depth in KPD stock (and assuming he is under contract still)


And on Ceglar, yes he did all he could, and credit to him because he put his best foot forward... he also was against a young raw ruckman who has played under 20 games and who Eagle fans were happy with after the game for playing his best ever game.. Let's not read to much into it, Ceglar was only brought in as a back up and to replace Darcy Fort basically... Nothing has changed in that regard.

Yeah sav is contracted so its our call. The issue is we are tight for list spots so if we trade guys like hopper in we might need to trade sav out to create a spot.

With ceglar im at least happy that we have a much better backup ruck option than fort gave us.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

On this site there has been absolutely no patience with Sav. I can remember Tom when he was 21-22. Had a Cameron been landed back then, how would Hawkins have gone? Remember, we had Ottens and Mooney back then.

 

[Strange Cat]

One swallow does not make a summer. The ball only entered his area a few times.

Sav still managed to throw himself around recklessly into crazy positions that have a real possibility to either injure himself, his opponent or even worse, his teammates. He just can't keep his feet and is a bit of a loose cannon.

Still if he’s under contract I wouldn’t be against developing him next year in this position , if he fails he fails I’m just unsure of his contract status but he’s worth a punt seeing he’s been on the list for so long and we won’t find a big bodied athlete FB anytime soon in the draft.

You only have to look at Zuthrie to see that some players do take a bit of time to flesh out …Sav does have all the tools to succeed maybe a simpler role like last night is what he needs

 

[nohairandfair]

Still if he’s under contract I wouldn’t be against developing him next year in this position , if he fails he fails I’m just unsure of his contract status but he’s worth a punt seeing he’s been on the list for so long and we won’t find a big bodied athlete FB anytime soon in the draft.

You only have to look at Zuthrie to see that some players do take a bit of time to flesh out …Sav does have all the tools to succeed maybe a simpler role like last night is what he needs

He is unlikely to attract any interest at the trade table as his current status is "sack of potatoes". Give him a full preseason training as a key defender under the wings of HarryT and if the development doesn't materialise then he needs to go.

We do have a lack of depth in key backs so that saves his bacon for the moment. Perhaps letting Ryan Gardiner go wasn't such a great move wrt list management.

 

[Seeds]

For memory Darling kicked neither opposed to Ratugolea.

Ah the old kolo argument.

smart supporter: Fools! Dont you see how well kolo is stopping the oppositions 2nd or 3rd best foward. absolutely critical to our defence.

clueless supporter: but kolos opponent kicked 4 goals.

smart supporter: but Kolo wasnt on him at the time.

clueless supporter:

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

We've been lucky draw-wise this season. We've got to play North Melbourne and the WCE twice (although no one expected the WCE to have the season they had in 2022 when the draw was done in late 2021). It's not often we get a draw like that.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

We've been lucky draw-wise this season. We've got to play North Melbourne and the WCE twice (although no one expected the WCE to have the season they had in 2022 when the draw was done in late 2021). It's not often we get a draw like that.

Yes we were. We made out like bandits!! About time we got the rub of the green.

 

[Drunkcat]

If any club is dumb enough to want Sav trade him and do it fast

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Persist with Sav as a Defender, get him an offseason working with Taylor and Egan. We got nothing to lose out of it and may end up with a decent backman.

 

[cats_09]

I wonder how it would look had Ceglar not struggled with injury the whole season. I feel like he could've been our clear no.1 ruck.

We started the season with two tall forwards (Hawkins & Cameron), had two tall defenders (SDK & Blicavs) and our two rucks (Stanley & Ratugolea) with the Rat also spending time up forward in that third tall role we've seen filled by Rohan (absent early season) & Henry at times

Once Ratugolea went down, we did change our set up but we also didn't have Ceglar or Rohan available

I wouldn't be surprised if had both Ceglar & Stanley been available from earlier in the season that we went with a similar set up to what we saw over the first few rounds, but with Stanley up forward instead of Ratugolea, and Ceglar starting in the guts

 

[Gunf]

We've been lucky draw-wise this season. We've got to play North Melbourne and the WCE twice (although no one expected the WCE to have the season they had in 2022 when the draw was done in late 2021). It's not often we get a draw like that.

Yes we got lucky with the draw in hindsight but think of it this way take away a win from North and 1 from WC and we are still equal top with 2 less games played.

As for other double up

Saints expected to be playing finals and pushing top 4
Dogs Expected top 4
Port Expected top 4

WC finished 11th and no one expected them to be as bad as they are.