Changes v Brisbane

[Bicks]

He's certainly not going to be anything more than average though

I wouldn't be too sure about that if I was you, very highly rated junior and IMO at this early stage of his career/development he's doing very well.

 

[Golumless]

Explain mate. If we can get back to the form of Rounds 1-6 how in earth is this delusional.

There is no guarantee we will, especially seeing how Sloane centric we are.

Like sure, if we work it out you deserve to feel confident, but the last two weeks have shown we are a long ****ing way from solving that issue.

Mind you, we'll belt Brisbane because they are very shit.

 

[Bicks]

Interesting stats re quarters..

 

[Sanders]

No, it's called behaving like a spoilt brat and completely disrespecting other people's opinions. My teenager behaves better than some in here, fair dinkum.

Perhaps try to add something yourself?

 

[Sanders]

Jenkins' performances consistently improved over the three years from 2014 to 2016. He's a very good forward when at his best, not just a "one dimensional ordinary player". His contract is justified considering the way he was playing.

Why don't the coaches rate him?

It's not the coaching panel who gives out contracts

 

[Shaz2012]

Fremantle, St Kilda, Bulldogs, Melbourne, Geelong (twice), West Coast, Port Adelaide and Sydney will all be tough matches.

I'd only be penciling in wins against Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon at this stage

Collingwood could go either way as well. If they get off to a good start they can win. Strong midfield but confidence players.

 

[Aaron929]

We won't get back to that form because our game plan has been completely exposed. Every club in the league now knows how to stop us scoring freely. Tag Sloane. Apply physicality at stoppages. Swarm extra numbers around stoppages. Clog space. Watch the panic merchants panic.

We'll probably beat Brisbane because they are the worst team in the AFL right now. By 100 in the wet? No, that's ridiculous. We'll make the 8. We're still a chance of top 4. Beyond that, it's now up to Pyke to completely restructure our game plan mid season because the current one is now defunct. That isn't easy.

Not sure if you watched the Cats vs Dogs tonight. If you think our midfield can compete with anything you saw in that game, we're watching different sports.

Yeah see this i don't believe. I don't think the game plan is completely exposed at all to be honest and I think at the end of the Geelong game we will know. I'm telling you right now it's not all about tagging Sloane I bet he starts to break them you watch and if we apply the physicality it goes back to an even game. Your writing your team off at the start of Round 9 were still top of the ladder.

Also you wanna talk about how good Geelong and Bulldogs are
Geelong have only beaten 1 top 8 side (Bulldogs) St Kilda weren't in the 8 when they beat them
They also lost to Gold Coast and Essendon two teams we beat by 10 Goals.

Bulldogs have only beaten 1 top 8 side (Richmond)
Everyone besides St Kilda and West Coast in the top 8 has had losses in the last 3 weeks

I honestly believe we'll bounce back in a big way and end the year in top 2. If i'm wrong i'll hold my hand up and admit it and you can call me out as much as you like but i'm expecting us to bounce back.

 

[Elite Crow]

Yeah see this i don't believe. I don't think the game plan is completely exposed at all to be honest and I think at the end of the Geelong game we will know. I'm telling you right now it's not all about tagging Sloane I bet he starts to break them you watch and if we apply the physicality it goes back to an even game. Your writing your team off at the start of Round 9 were still top of the ladder.

Also you wanna talk about how good Geelong and Bulldogs are
Geelong have only beaten 1 top 8 side (Bulldogs) St Kilda weren't in the 8 when they beat them
They also lost to Gold Coast and Essendon two teams we beat by 10 Goals.

Bulldogs have only beaten 1 top 8 side (Richmond)
Everyone besides St Kilda and West Coast in the top 8 has had losses in the last 3 weeks

I honestly believe we'll bounce back in a big way and end the year in top 2. If i'm wrong i'll hold my hand up and admit it and you can call me out as much as you like but i'm expecting us to bounce back.

How can you say the game plan hasn't been exposed?

We've had 2 bottom 8 teams beat us easily by doing so. Stop Sloane, apply huge pressure, clog up our run and forward line. Both sides have played the same way and we've been exposed.

Geelong had 130 tackles, we were beaten easily when the other team had 90.

We are not a physical side, even when we were 6-0 we didn't rely on our physicality or pressure, we relied on our run and space.

Teams are bringing finals like intensity in the last couple of weeks, it is up to Pyke to change things up, not rely on we will bounce back.

 

[Aaron929]

How can you say the game plan hasn't been exposed?

We've had 2 bottom 8 teams beat us easily by doing so. Stop Sloane, apply huge pressure, clog up our run and forward line. Both sides have played the same way and we've been exposed.

Geelong had 130 tackles, we were beaten easily when the other team had 90.

We are not a physical side, even when we were 6-0 we didn't rely on our physicality or pressure, we relied on our run and space.

Teams are bringing finals like intensity in the last couple of weeks, it is up to Pyke to change things up, not rely on we will bounce back.

Yes we need to change things up a little bit not throw the entire plan out the window. Hawthorn game was a contested physical game then we got on top and things started to open up.

 

[marty36]

How can you say the game plan hasn't been exposed?

We've had 2 bottom 8 teams beat us easily by doing so. Stop Sloane, apply huge pressure, clog up our run and forward line. Both sides have played the same way and we've been exposed.

Geelong had 130 tackles, we were beaten easily when the other team had 90.

We are not a physical side, even when we were 6-0 we didn't rely on our physicality or pressure, we relied on our run and space.

Teams are bringing finals like intensity in the last couple of weeks, it is up to Pyke to change things up, not rely on we will bounce back.

It's an interesting argument

You could argue we have beaten every top 8 team we've played and that's is a far greater hurdle as that's who will be in the finals and lost to bottom 8 teams because they didn't mentally apply themselves.

Yes we shouldn't have lost to those teams but the way we lost was the disappointing thing

If your honest beating top 8 teams is much better it shows your quality. Would hate to be going into finals not having beat any of your opponents, I think port are in that position


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[Elite Crow]

It's an interesting argument

You could argue we have beaten every top 8 team we've played and that's is a far greater hurdle as that's who will be in the finals and lost to bottom 8 teams because they didn't mentally apply themselves.

Yes we shouldn't have lost to those teams but the way we lost was the disappointing thing

If your honest beating top 8 teams is much better it shows your quality. Would hate to be going into finals not having beat any of your opponents, I think port are in that position


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If the top 8 teams played with the same gameplan against us then I would be a lot more confident.

Given none of them tagged Sloane, clogged our run and forward line, I'm worried what will happen once the better teams do.

 

[Cockwomble]

Beautiful sunny morning should dry the surface a bit but will still be greasy..

 

[1970crow]

Elite kick

 

[Interloperer]

How can you say the game plan hasn't been exposed?

We've had 2 bottom 8 teams beat us easily by doing so. Stop Sloane, apply huge pressure, clog up our run and forward line. Both sides have played the same way and we've been exposed.

I would argue what was exposed by North Melbourne was Pyke's slow reaction time. His tactical changes after quarter time were reasonably sound, but did not occur until the game was lost.

The loss to Melbourne was far more worrying for me, as the Demons emerged as the dominant team after multiple twists. (Ironically Adelaide would have been better off with the game played "on Melbourne's terms" like the first quarter, which they only lost by less than a goal.)

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Yeah see this i don't believe. I don't think the game plan is completely exposed at all to be honest and I think at the end of the Geelong game we will know. I'm telling you right now it's not all about tagging Sloane I bet he starts to break them you watch and if we apply the physicality it goes back to an even game. Your writing your team off at the start of Round 9 were still top of the ladder.

Also you wanna talk about how good Geelong and Bulldogs are
Geelong have only beaten 1 top 8 side (Bulldogs) St Kilda weren't in the 8 when they beat them
They also lost to Gold Coast and Essendon two teams we beat by 10 Goals.

Bulldogs have only beaten 1 top 8 side (Richmond)
Everyone besides St Kilda and West Coast in the top 8 has had losses in the last 3 weeks

I honestly believe we'll bounce back in a big way and end the year in top 2. If i'm wrong i'll hold my hand up and admit it and you can call me out as much as you like but i'm expecting us to bounce back.

I think you need to realise that good teams don't concede 10 goals in a row then 9 in a row the following week

Can't remember a contender doing that . Right now we are no better than last year , more to worry about in fact

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I honestly don't agree.
Fremantle - just beat richmond who we destroyed.
St Kilda - tough but should beat,
Dogs - i'm sorry but overrated unless umpires are favouring them,
Melbourne - we won't dish up the same crap,
Geelong - 50/50 at home a loss away
West Coast - 50/50
Port - Can't rate currently yet to beat a top 8 team if they beat Cats next week i'll say this ones tougher but once again I said 50/50
Sydney - Also said 50/50

This is also only going on if we can get our form back from Rounds 1-6 Also hopefully by round 15 Seed is in the team, Mcgovern back and cheney back

You realise we are conceding 9 or 10 goals unanswered in last 2 weeks with no answers ?
We are miles off pencilling in wins , will be lucky to scrape home tonight unless something drastically changes

If port were playing us this week you'd back Port everyday of the week

Start again with your analysis , more holes
than Swiss cheese

 

[Squiba]

Basically our game plan isn't contested. Ideally we would have our uncontested, formula 1 footy as one of two game styles we play. The other being based around contested ball and stopping the opposition scoring.

This way when the oppo does a North/Melbourne, we can get onto level terms at least with the grind. Then omce the game opens up a little we can lay in a stack of goals with the original game plan.

Once we got that fast footy going we were almost impossible to stop. But when teams counteract it from the beginning and continue to apply hard fought techniques, we've crumbled.

 

[hey shorty]

There is no guarantee we will, especially seeing how Sloane centric we are.

Like sure, if we work it out you deserve to feel confident, but the last two weeks have shown we are a long ******* way from solving that issue.

Mind you, we'll belt Brisbane because they are very shit.

I disagree.

We can quite comfortably get back to that sort of form, the last 2 weeks have been as much about attitude as it has game plan. It'll take some work, but you're effectively drifting off the entire year.

 

[LC40]

I have been a vocal Jenkins supporter, on song he is an effective forward however it was right to drop him. At present he doesn't work hard enough off the ball, in chasing and blocking and his tackling...what tackling? For such a big bodied player his lack of physical presence in the last couple of games has been missing. Out of form doesn't excuse him for not running hard and harassing.
The other reason why he needed to go... reward form in the SANFL. Another hobby horse of mine but the coaching staff must demonstrate to the 'reserves' that form is rewarded. We have to give games to players deserving of a chance.
Sure, 'like for like' comes into the equation but hell we need to get games into these young blokes and give them a reason for effort and gain experience in the AFL environment. When injuries come or form wanes it's a bit much to be throwing them in the deep end comes finals.
To me we seem a club that never learns lessons from previous seasons or are prepared for the bigger picture.
I really hope these two new inclusions flourish, it might just open the coaches eyes to the fact we have a squad of footballers.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Basically our game plan isn't contested. Ideally we would have our uncontested, formula 1 footy as one of two game styles we play. The other being based around contested ball and stopping the opposition scoring.

This way when the oppo does a North/Melbourne, we can get onto level terms at least with the grind. Then omce the game opens up a little we can lay in a stack of goals with the original game plan.

Once we got that fast footy going we were almost impossible to stop. But when teams counteract it from the beginning and continue to apply hard fought techniques, we've crumbled.

Problem is finals aren't that style of fast play

Bulldogs flag built on the opposite style to us

 

[Golumless]

I disagree.

We can quite comfortably get back to that sort of form, the last 2 weeks have been as much about attitude as it has game plan. It'll take some work, but you're effectively drifting off the entire year.

I am not as confident, as it really looked like we were worked out in the 2nd half against Melbourne.

Doesn't matter how hard you work when that happens.

 

[Golumless]

You realise we are conceding 9 or 10 goals unanswered in last 2 weeks with no answers ?
We are miles off pencilling in wins , will be lucky to scrape home tonight unless something drastically changes

If port were playing us this week you'd back Port everyday of the week

Start again with your analysis , more holes
than Swiss cheese

To be fair, we are playing Brisbane who are miles off Melbourne, and North. They're probably the worst team in the league currently.

This one you can just about pencil in. (Much like versing Carlton and Collingwood would be the same)

 

[Bicks]

To be fair, we are playing Brisbane who are miles off Melbourne, and North. They're probably the worst team in the league currently.

This one you can just about pencil in. (Much like versing Carlton and Collingwood would be the same)

You've got the attitude that our players have displayed the last two weeks, the AFL is an elite competition and on any given day if teams don't bring their A game an upset is always on the cards especially playing away from home. The last 2 weeks the opposition brought their A+ mindset game and we turned up with our C- mindset game. I would also point out too that the 2017 Chris Fagan coached Lions are a far different outfit to the 2016 Justin Leppitsch coached Lions, they do at least have structures now and have been quite competitive at times, sustaining it for 4 quarters has been their problem.

 

[marty36]

You realise we are conceding 9 or 10 goals unanswered in last 2 weeks with no answers ?
We are miles off pencilling in wins , will be lucky to scrape home tonight unless something drastically changes

If port were playing us this week you'd back Port everyday of the week

Start again with your analysis , more holes
than Swiss cheese

If we lose to brisbane or scrape home

Im calling it now, we have absolutely zero chance of winning the premiership thsi year or next, Brisbane are shite

If we win I willl reserve my judgement and say we are still at this point a contender

 

[marty36]

You've got the attitude that our players have displayed the last two weeks, the AFL is an elite competition and on any given day if teams don't bring their A game an upset is always on the cards especially playing away from home. The last 2 weeks the opposition brought their A+ mindset game and we turned up with our C- mindset game. I would also point out too that the 2017 Chris Fagan coached Lions are a far different outfit to the 2016 Justin Leppitsch coached Lions, they do at least have structures now and have been quite competitive at times, sustaining it for 4 quarters has been their problem.

if we lose to these hacks we are officially finished this year and whilst sitting on top aswell