Changes v Port Power est 1997

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I think it will be

In: Sloane, Walker and Knight
Out: Milera, Fogarty and whoever gets injured at training this week

 

[Alwaysacrow]

I don't think he should be either, but the selectors clearly disagree with both of us. He's absolutely in Pyke's best 22.

I tend to agree. Although his form so far has been underwhelming he has a habit of standing up when the heat is on and after Ports pitiful performance last weekend I'm sure the heat will be on very early in this one. I suspect he was rested last week in an effort to get him right for this game.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

For me it's;
Out; Milera,(injured), Fog,(omitted)
Galluci,(omitted)
In; Walker,Sloane, Knight.
I reckon we'll stay with HG and CEY for this one as Port aren't a quick side and we'll need more muscle than speed.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think it will be

In: Sloane, Walker and Knight
Out: Milera, Fogarty and whoever gets injured at training this week

... or needs management rather than awareness.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Collingwood: 28 disposals 1 goal
Swans: 24 disposals 3 goals
Suns: 28 disposals

2:1 kick to handball ratio, high meters gained... What else do you want from a wingman?

Suns and Collingwood games were junk time possessions in the 4th to pad his stats. Swans game has been his one and only consistent game for some time. Hell I'd keep Mackay in the side before him atm.

 

[Coopers]

For me it's;
Out; Milera,(injured), Fog,(omitted)
Galluci,(omitted)
In; Walker,Sloane, Knight.
I reckon we'll stay with HG and CEY for this one as Port aren't a quick side and we'll need more muscle than speed.

I think you're right, but damn Gooch can feel hard done by.

 

[Vader]

CEY got a coaches vote, some people can't use that argument anymore.

The argument that Greenwood has more votes is still valid though. More importantly, both coaches rated Greenwood as 4th best on ground. Only 1 coach rated CEY as 5th best, the other didn't even rate him that highly.

 

[crows dude]

Just notice that the State Game is the Curtain Raiser for this match so get there early

 

[azza77]

I think that's an excellent post S.

I feel Jeff has the answer in terms of the flexibility that has unexpectedly come our way.

If HG and CEY can continue to crash & bash, then surely we come up with a more productive role for Sloane than getting beaten up inside.

Definitely think he should he back to his outside role where he used to run up and down that wing all day long.

Has done some really good work across HB and brings a serious amount of pressure. The same can be said up forward too.

Said this previously, but with Greenwood, Crouch, Gibbs and now CEY in form, we definitely should look to use Sloane in a greater variety of roles on the outside, or literally just let him run around and do as he pleases.

He’s wasted as an inside mid given what Greenwood and CEY are able to give us.

 

[Shaz2012]

Definitely think he should he back to his outside role where he used to run up and down that wing all day long.

Has done some really good work across HB and brings a serious amount of pressure. The same can be said up forward too.

Said this previously, but with Greenwood, Crouch, Gibbs and now CEY in form, we definitely should look to use Sloane in a greater variety of roles on the outside, or literally just let him run around and do as he pleases.

He’s wasted as an inside mid given what Greenwood and CEY are able to give us.

Yes, I agree. We can always put our A-graders (Gibbs, Sloane, Crouch) on the ball at crunch times of the game. But with CEY and Greenwood doing the grunt work for most of the game, these guys will be fresh at the contested stuff. Sloane is a great mark and can win one-on-ones around the ground. Cam and Hugh are getting 11 and 13 contested possessions a game respectively. Compared to Sloane (11), Gibbs (11), Crouch (9.5) and Douglas (8) this season. It really doesn't make sense to give either one of those two up if we dont have to. There might be a balance problem, but if Sloane and Gibbs play more outside roles, I just dont see why it cant work as both of these guys have huge tanks, are quick and damaging with their possessions. I just dont see how Knight would benefit us more than having Sloane in that outside role, while CEY and Greenwood do the grunt work.

We got smashed in the contested stuff against Collingwood, but I dont see that Knight would have changed anything. It wasn't a balance problem. On that day, our only questionable day in terms of contested footy, CEY had 19, with 12 contested possessions and 9 tackles. Greenwood had 24, with 16 contested possessions and 5 tackles. I mean this pair pulled their weight on that day with 28 CPs and 14 tackles between them. I feel that they are going to break even or come out in front against any team at the contest and then we still have Sloane and Gibbs to contribute and hurt the opposition on the outside.

 

[kulak]

Yes, I agree. We can always put our A-graders (Gibbs, Sloane, Crouch) on the ball at crunch times of the game. But with CEY and Greenwood doing the grunt work for most of the game, these guys will be fresh at the contested stuff. Sloane is a great mark and can win one-on-ones around the ground. Cam and Hugh are getting 11 and 13 contested possessions a game respectively. Compared to Sloane (11), Gibbs (11), Crouch (9.5) and Douglas (8) this season. It really doesn't make sense to give either one of those two up if we dont have to. There might be a balance problem, but if Sloane and Gibbs play more outside roles, I just dont see why it cant work as both of these guys have huge tanks, are quick and damaging with their possessions. I just dont see how Knight would benefit us more than having Sloane in that outside role, while CEY and Greenwood do the grunt work.

We got smashed in the contested stuff against Collingwood, but I dont see that Knight would have changed anything. It wasn't a balance problem. On that day, our only questionable day in terms of contested footy, CEY had 19, with 12 contested possessions and 9 tackles. Greenwood had 24, with 16 contested possessions and 5 tackles. I mean this pair pulled their weight on that day with 28 CPs and 14 tackles between them. I feel that they are going to break even or come out in front against any team at the contest and then we still have Sloane and Gibbs to contribute and hurt the opposition on the outside.

This is a key benefit of having Greenwood, CEY and MCrouch as the A team.

It gives us something to do when the A team isn’t getting it done, we can roll in Sloane and Gibbs.

Perhaps Sloane might have had a taste of his own mortality over the last few weeks, and now embrace a contributing role with the occasional impact move into the guts.

 

[Shaz2012]

This is a key benefit of having Greenwood, CEY and MCrouch as the A team.

It gives us something to do when the A team isn’t getting it done, we can roll in Sloane and Gibbs.

Perhaps Sloane might have had a taste of his own mortality over the last few weeks, and now embrace a contributing role with the occasional impact move into the guts.

Plus, if the AA team can name 14 midfielders why can’t we

I would just love to see it. I can’t see why it wouldn’t make us stronger. Have to see it against a good team to know for sure.

 

[MRB37]

This is a key benefit of having Greenwood, CEY and MCrouch as the A team.

It gives us something to do when the A team isn’t getting it done, we can roll in Sloane and Gibbs.

Perhaps Sloane might have had a taste of his own mortality over the last few weeks, and now embrace a contributing role with the occasional impact move into the guts.

And if Sloane is leaving, it's not the worst idea to get a headstart on "Life without Rory".

 

[maxlilly]

And if Sloane is leaving, it's not the worst idea to get a headstart on "Life without Rory".

I always thought Rory was a good replacement for Brodie smith this year.
Use his running game and he is great in the air.
And really strong in the contest down back

 

[Mismatched]

Sure to be blamed on rocky and pickled pepper pig not being in the team.

Lock them in for next week. Pooer have been so unlucky with injuries this year

Triple M had a caller who criticized the club for not playing Rockliff as he was a captain at Brisbane and a senior “star” player. He then went on to say that the club needed to make a statement and drop some of their senior players and give the younger blokes a go...

 

[Mismatched]

Hmmmm I think I agree, looking at his stats there's not much more improvement to come. Currently for AFC he ranks

#1 for centre clearances
# 2 for total clearances
#2 for tackles
#2 for contested possessions
# 4 for total possessions.

He's only 4 behind Gibbs in clearances so he could improve to no1 there.

Also just 4 tackles behind Greenwood so a chance for no1 there too.

Not going to catch Laird on possessions

So yeah, not much else to offer, other than maybe pushing to no1 in 4 out of 5 key midfielder statistics.

Ellis-Yolman’s not getting dropped, nor is Greenwood. As others have mentioned, I think the club will look at using M. Crouch, Greenwood and CEY to do a lot of the inside heavy lifting, whilst allowing Sloane, Gibbs +/- B. Crouch to increase their outside minutes. This essentially gives us a number of different change up for if we’re losing the inside/contested ball. Finals are all about contested footy. Hopefully the addition of CEY, Gibbs and a fit Greenwood will give us a bit more of a buffer to getting smashed in this regard like we did GF day.

Atkins isn’t getting dropped either, btw, he’s an outside midfielder who’s clearly in Pykes best 22. He’s not getting dropped for 1 off game, outside mids always have some element of inconsistency, which is why I’d prefer to limit the number in our side, instead using the likes of Gibbs, Sloane and B.Crouch to do a lot of the outside work.

Walker will come in for Fogarty.
Sloane in for Milera.
The question will then be whether they bring in Knight for Gallucci. It wouldn’t surprise if knights forced to come back through SANFL and they give Gallucci a bit more of a run.

Although they’ll probably find another injury during the week to make these discussions moot.

 

[dewah07]

Firstly sorry for jynxing milera I was about all him a couple weeks ago so blame me for his injury

Secondly what can you lads tell me about Douglas? He seems to have strung 2 good. Games in a row but what’s his roll been in this side?

 

[lunacy]

Firstly sorry for jynxing milera I was about all him a couple weeks ago so blame me for his injury

Secondly what can you lads tell me about Douglas? He seems to have strung 2 good. Games in a row but what’s his roll been in this side?

At the moment he’s playing as a half forward/mid. But also can rotate across half back or even wing at times if there’s a need.

 

[CrowBloke]

I reckon we'll stay with HG and CEY for this one as Port aren't a quick side ...

Agree, plus their inside toughness and tackling will be invaluable. Both are strong for contested possession.
That toughness is why Knight (if fit) will probably be recalled for Gallucci. Knight is a hard unit, will play his guts out.

 

[radiojake]

Just stop for a moment and look at Bryce Gibbs..he must be pinching himself as he would not remember the last time he played in a team that was sitting 3rd on the ladder and had this many wins in a season

Pretty much the only time Carlton has been 3rd on the ladder in this century is at the start of the season before a game has been played and teams are listed in alphabetical order.

Just to be 'that guy', I'll let ya both know this

2011 after Round 7 - Carlton 5-1-1
2012 after Round 7 - Carlton 5-2

but slim pickings otherwise

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Just to be 'that guy', I'll let ya both know this

2011 after Round 7 - Carlton 5-1-1
2012 after Round 7 - Carlton 5-2

but slim pickings otherwise

Yeah, but it's just not as funny that way. Carlton actually won a final in 2013 and Brisbane won a final in 2009, yet it feels like they've both been entrenched at the bottom of the ladder for ages.

 

[jenny61_99]

Sure to be blamed on rocky and pickled pepper pig not being in the team.

Lock them in for next week. Pooer have been so unlucky with injuries this year

Your alliteration is ace!

 

[jenny61_99]

Greenwood is a quick thinker, CEY is decidedly not. Everything about CEY seems to happen in ruckman style slow motion, half a second off the pace needed to survive in the AFL pressure game.

Actually I disagree here. While CEY does take his time, he tends to make the right decision - ie. doesn't just handball quickly to the first option to get it off...actually looks for someone that's free. Cam does get caught though as a result of this, that's the only downside. Greenwood more often than not just bangs it on the boot in an attempt to clear it out of the area.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Collingwood: 28 disposals 1 goal
Swans: 24 disposals 3 goals
Suns: 28 disposals

2:1 kick to handball ratio, high meters gained... What else do you want from a wingman?

great response and supports what I said earlier in the thread and that is Rat is not getting dropped

 

[Shaz2012]

CEY gives away 0.9 frees a game, while Hugh gives away 0.6. Clearly, neither are getting caught holding the ball regularly. Nor are they tackling poorly and giving away frees, or holding on too long off the ball etc. Compare this with Thommo who was giving away 1.4 a game in 2016 and 1.9 a game in 2016 (poor bloke gave away 5 in his last game in 2017 ).

CEY is going at 72.7% with 3 clangers per game. Hugh at 62.4% with 3.3 clangers per game. CEY doesn't seem to be off the pace at all here. Hugh could tidy up his disposals, but his best work is in congestion where you expect that it doesnt always come off.

While neither of these guys are pulling elite numbers in terms of disposals, they are both doing really well in terms of contributing to the team. Both will be significantly better players with 15 more games into them.