Preview FACE OFF: John Olsen v Jeff Kennett - Back To Tassie

Should Tassie Have A Team Of Their Own?


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GreyCrow

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Adelaide v Hawthorn
UTAS Launceston
12.00 ACTime

John Olsen was Premier of South Australia between 1996 and 2001 - The Adelaide Football Club won 2 Premierships in that time

Jeff Kennett was Premier of Victoria from 1992 to 1999 - Hawthorn nearly folded in that time

John Olsen started his Chairmanship of the AFC in October 2020 - we wait and hope

Jeff Kennett was Hawthorn President from 2005 - 2011 - Hawthorn won 1 flag in 2008

Jeff Kennett returned as Hawthorn President in 2017 - Hawthorn have won no flags

I think Olsen has Jeffy covered

The Record

Having played each other 43 times for a 23-20 Hawthorn lead its actually surprising it is that close. Hawthorn have always seemed to have the edge in matches against Adelaide and so having a record so close is heartening

The last 3 games have been relatively comfortable affairs producing similar scorelines in all 3 games

Adelaide defeated Hawthorn 83-48 Adelaide Oval September 1 2020
Hawthorn defeated Adelaide 87-55 Adelaide Oval 23 March 2019
Hawthorn defeated Adelaide 88-32 MCG 16 June 2018

Its the Away games the AFC dont like - winning only 8 games from 20 attempts - and 1 from 5 attempts at UTAS/York Park

The Stats



Adelaide CrowsAverage Per GameHawthorn Hawks
205.2Kicks215.0
143.8Handballs173.2
349.0Disposals388.2
85.8Marks104.8
13.4Goals10.0
13.0Behinds8.0
26.4Scoring Shots18.0
57.4Tackles51.4
33.6Hitouts28.8
24.0Frees For17.8
19.4Frees Against22.6
9.4Goal Assists5.2
55.4Inside 50s45.6
138.2Contested Possessions126.2
205.4Uncontested Possessions255.2
258.8Effective Disposals288.4
74.2%Disposal Efficiency %74.3%
53.6Clangers61.0
12.2Contested Marks13.0
12.0Marks Inside 509.4
35.6Clearances31.6
13.4Centre Clearances12.0
22.2Stoppage Clearances19.6
41.8Rebound 50s45.6
45.6One Percenters46.2
3.8Bounces6.6
1.43Kick to Handball Ratio1.24
50.8%Conversion55.6%
26.04Disposals Per Goal38.82
13.22Disposals Per Scoring Shot21.57
6087.8Metres Gained5544.0
65.6Turnovers73.4
67.4Intercepts66.6
9.8Tackles Inside 5010.0

Kicks , Handballs and Disposals are all for Hawthorn yet their I50s and goals scored are both low - likely meaning they are still chipping away trying to find that perfect outlet for goal. Adelaide are ahead in most of the contested stats - which is a good sign of workrate and effort - but will it be enough?


T. Walker 12.0 kicks, 17.2 disps, 7.0 marks, 4.4 goals
B. Keays 15.8 kicks, 10.6 hballs, 26.4 disps
R. Laird 13.4 kicks, 15.6 hballs, 29.0 disps
L. Sholl 15.6 kicks, 22.2 disps, 7.2 marks
P. Seedsman 14.2 kicks, 10.2 hballs, 24.4 disps, 6.2 marks
T. Mitchell 11.6 kicks, 22.4 hballs, 34.0 disps
J. Impey 17.0 kicks, 23.6 disps, 6.0 marks
J. O'Meara 12.8 kicks, 15.2 hballs, 28.0 disps, 5.0 marks
B. Hardwick 15.6 kicks, 22.2 disps, 5.6 marks
C. Wingard 12.7 kicks, 10.0 hballs, 22.7 disps, 5.0 marks

Again it looks as if we come up against a midfield that could impose themselves on the game. Mitchell strength is his handball and I wonder how we will counter that - do we let him get the ball and sweat off his receivers? Or stop him early and starve everybody?

The Weather


Mostly sunny

18
°C°F
Precipitation: 10%
Humidity: 63%
Wind: 16 km/h
University of Tasmania Stadium
Sunday
Mostly sunny

Thats not too bad - not blowing a gale anyway

The Challenge

Are we starting to hit a wall of fatigue and new kid enthusiasm dying in the cold hard autumn day? Or did we shoot ourselves in the foot with selections? Are Hawthorn really that much better than us?

Hawthorn started the year with a BANG! defeating Essendon after being 40 points down. They have since lost to Geelong , Tigers , Freo and Melbourne. I think they are similar to us that they will be inconsistent at times.

But its Clarkson - lets not beat around the bush - Hardwick might be flavour of the month but Clarkson is supreme. Its no surprise Hardwick learnt under Clarkson and got advice the night before the flag in 2017. Clarkson has smashed Adelaide and its coaches (Neil Craig excepted)

Craig 4-6
Sanderson 4-0
Pyke 4-1
Nicks 1-0
Camporeale 1-0

From 21 games Clarkson has won 14 with only Neil Craig having the better of him

The Result

I dont know. If it was in Adelaide I would tip Adelaide - if it was Melbourne I would hesitantly tip Adelaide but Launceston games give me chills and is the only reason I see Hawks by 26 points


 

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Adelaide v Hawthorn
UTAS Launceston
12.00 ACTime

John Olsen was Premier of South Australia between 1996 and 2001 - The Adelaide Football Club won 2 Premierships in that time

Jeff Kennett was Premier of Victoria from 1992 to 1999 - Hawthorn nearly folded in that time

John Olsen started his Chairmanship of the AFC in October 2020 - we wait and hope

Jeff Kennett was Hawthorn President from 2005 - 2011 - Hawthorn won 1 flag in 2008

Jeff Kennett returned as Hawthorn President in 2017 - Hawthorn have won no flags

I think Olsen has Jeffy covered

The Record

Having played each other 43 times for a 23-20 Hawthorn lead its actually surprising it is that close. Hawthorn have always seemed to have the edge in matches against Adelaide and so having a record so close is heartening

The last 3 games have been relatively comfortable affairs producing similar scorelines in all 3 games

Adelaide defeated Hawthorn 83-48 Adelaide Oval September 1 2020
Hawthorn defeated Adelaide 87-55 Adelaide Oval 23 March 2019
Hawthorn defeated Adelaide 88-32 MCG 16 June 2018

Its the Away games the AFC dont like - winning only 8 games from 20 attempts - and 1 from 5 attempts at UTAS/York Park

The Stats



Adelaide CrowsAverage Per GameHawthorn Hawks
205.2Kicks215.0
143.8Handballs173.2
349.0Disposals388.2
85.8Marks104.8
13.4Goals10.0
13.0Behinds8.0
26.4Scoring Shots18.0
57.4Tackles51.4
33.6Hitouts28.8
24.0Frees For17.8
19.4Frees Against22.6
9.4Goal Assists5.2
55.4Inside 50s45.6
138.2Contested Possessions126.2
205.4Uncontested Possessions255.2
258.8Effective Disposals288.4
74.2%Disposal Efficiency %74.3%
53.6Clangers61.0
12.2Contested Marks13.0
12.0Marks Inside 509.4
35.6Clearances31.6
13.4Centre Clearances12.0
22.2Stoppage Clearances19.6
41.8Rebound 50s45.6
45.6One Percenters46.2
3.8Bounces6.6
1.43Kick to Handball Ratio1.24
50.8%Conversion55.6%
26.04Disposals Per Goal38.82
13.22Disposals Per Scoring Shot21.57
6087.8Metres Gained5544.0
65.6Turnovers73.4
67.4Intercepts66.6
9.8Tackles Inside 5010.0


Kicks , Handballs and Disposals are all for Hawthorn yet their I50s and goals scored are both low - likely meaning they are still chipping away trying to find that perfect outlet for goal. Adelaide are ahead in most of the contested stats - which is a good sign of workrate and effort - but will it be enough?


T. Walker 12.0 kicks, 17.2 disps, 7.0 marks, 4.4 goals
B. Keays 15.8 kicks, 10.6 hballs, 26.4 disps
R. Laird 13.4 kicks, 15.6 hballs, 29.0 disps
L. Sholl 15.6 kicks, 22.2 disps, 7.2 marks
P. Seedsman 14.2 kicks, 10.2 hballs, 24.4 disps, 6.2 marks
T. Mitchell 11.6 kicks, 22.4 hballs, 34.0 disps
J. Impey 17.0 kicks, 23.6 disps, 6.0 marks
J. O'Meara 12.8 kicks, 15.2 hballs, 28.0 disps, 5.0 marks
B. Hardwick 15.6 kicks, 22.2 disps, 5.6 marks
C. Wingard 12.7 kicks, 10.0 hballs, 22.7 disps, 5.0 marks

Again it looks as if we come up against a midfield that could impose themselves on the game. Mitchell strength is his handball and I wonder how we will counter that - do we let him get the ball and sweat off his receivers? Or stop him early and starve everybody?

The Weather


Mostly sunny

18
°C°F
Precipitation: 10%
Humidity: 63%
Wind: 16 km/h
University of Tasmania Stadium
Sunday
Mostly sunny

Thats not too bad - not blowing a gale anyway

The Challenge

Are we starting to hit a wall of fatigue and new kid enthusiasm dying in the cold hard autumn day? Or did we shoot ourselves in the foot with selections? Are Hawthorn really that much better than us?

Hawthorn started the year with a BANG! defeating Essendon after being 40 points down. They have since lost to Geelong , Tigers , Freo and Melbourne. I think they are similar to us that they will be inconsistent at times.

But its Clarkson - lets not beat around the bush - Hardwick might be flavour of the month but Clarkson is supreme. Its no surprise Hardwick learnt under Clarkson and got advice the night before the flag in 2017. Clarkson has smashed Adelaide and its coaches (Neil Craig excepted)

Craig 4-6
Sanderson 4-0
Pyke 4-1
Nicks 1-0
Camporeale 1-0

From 21 games Clarkson has won 14 with only Neil Craig having the better of him

The Result

I dont know. If it was in Adelaide I would tip Adelaide - if it was Melbourne I would hesitantly tip Adelaide but Launceston games give me chills and is the only reason I see Hawks by 26 points


Nicks is silently weeping that his first win was forgotten about.
 

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Are we starting to hit a wall of fatigue and new kid enthusiasm dying in the cold hard autumn day?
This is my fear. As with Gold Coast in some seasons, that youthful exuberance can dry up quickly once the grind of the season sets in.

Shrewd rotation of older/younger players is crucial and this is perhaps the area our club is worst at.

Still, you look at Hawthorn's team and surely they are gettable. A (proper) win on the road would be gold for our young guys.

As an aside... hopefully Brain Fartigan is back.
 

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Adelaide about par for contested possession differential, uncontested possession differential and inside 50 differential.

Hawthorn close to lowest on contested possession differential, but close to highest for uncontested possession differential. This is normal it’s how Clarkson’s Hawks have always played.

Hawthorn however are almost the worst for inside 50 differential. This is not normal. It’s a problem offensively and defensively, they are the worst for both their own total I50s as well as opposition conceded I50s.

Keys to the game
- break even in the midfield contest
- strong defensive energy from Murphy, McHenry and McAdam to stop any quick counters and force them to play slow
- more than 20 possessions for Smith, Sholl and Schoenberg (and fewer than 20 for Keays) to use our skilled players to unpick the Hawks defence
 

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Adelaide v Hawthorn
UTAS Launceston
12.00 ACTime

John Olsen was Premier of South Australia between 1996 and 2001 - The Adelaide Football Club won 2 Premierships in that time

Jeff Kennett was Premier of Victoria from 1992 to 1999 - Hawthorn nearly folded in that time

John Olsen started his Chairmanship of the AFC in October 2020 - we wait and hope

Jeff Kennett was Hawthorn President from 2005 - 2011 - Hawthorn won 1 flag in 2008

Jeff Kennett returned as Hawthorn President in 2017 - Hawthorn have won no flags

I think Olsen has Jeffy covered

The Record

Having played each other 43 times for a 23-20 Hawthorn lead its actually surprising it is that close. Hawthorn have always seemed to have the edge in matches against Adelaide and so having a record so close is heartening

The last 3 games have been relatively comfortable affairs producing similar scorelines in all 3 games

Adelaide defeated Hawthorn 83-48 Adelaide Oval September 1 2020
Hawthorn defeated Adelaide 87-55 Adelaide Oval 23 March 2019
Hawthorn defeated Adelaide 88-32 MCG 16 June 2018

Its the Away games the AFC dont like - winning only 8 games from 20 attempts - and 1 from 5 attempts at UTAS/York Park
That prelim final was epic. Tex's grenade from outside 50m at HT to give us the lead was a legendary moment in Crows Finals highlights.

No one gave us a chance, in an alternate universe with neutral unbiased umpires we win that game and beat our bitches at the time, Sydney in the GF at the G.
 

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Based on the quotes from Burns in today's Advertiser, we're going in unchanged. Tex, Lynch and Laird (stinger) will likely be available. Piss funny if we do.
You don't want to overreact to a loss. Consistency is more important. Yes we have played crap two weeks in a row, but that's not the point. Anytime you can get your experienced players on the field you simply have to do it. Even if they can barely run.
I'm half expecting Lynch to start the game in a wheelchair.

The old AFC approach.

Pick your experienced players as much as possible.
Back them in to respond.
Don't panic and wield the axe.
Only make forced changes to injured players that can't at least walk.
Blame and then drop the kids once forced to make changes.
Bring back any injured experienced player asap. Even if half fit. Drop a kid to do it wherever possible.
 

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This is my fear. As with Gold Coast in some seasons, that youthful exuberance can dry up quickly once the grind of the season sets in.

Shrewd rotation of older/younger players is crucial and this is perhaps the area our club is worst at.

Still, you look at Hawthorn's team and surely they are gettable. A (proper) win on the road would be gold for our young guys.

As an aside... hopefully Brain Fartigan is back.
If heartinmouthagain is back, Frampton vs Hartigan II is on the cards ...
 

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Perfect opportunity to rest Tex, why the fu** should we send him to Tasmania? Just rest up the calf.
It's hilarious that Smith is on TV encouraging the kids to put their hands up for a rest when their body isn't up to it. Where do these double standards come from? They've seen Tex, Sloane and Talia do it last year and Lynch can barely jog at the moment. Is he conditioning us? If so, there's no need, we know our juniors get put on ice as senior players return from injury and other seniors continue to play under duress.
 

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I always wonder why people think this. Sydney had just flogged us at home and beat the Hawks comfortably!
That prelim final was epic. Tex's grenade from outside 50m at HT to give us the lead was a legendary moment in Crows Finals highlights.

No one gave us a chance, in an alternate universe with neutral unbiased umpires we win that game and beat our bitches at the time, Sydney in the GF at the G.
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