Toast Lachie Fogarty - traded to Carlton

[Seeds]

Lang played 20 games for Carlton. Smedts 9. All I’m saying is Fogarty will better both of those because he’s a better player.

Smedts had been devastated by injuries even before he got to carlton. He had shoulders of a 13 year old boy by the time he got there. Had shown far more talent at geelong in his first two seasons then fogarty.

lang also did far more at geelong in his first 3 season and looked far more promising then fogarty in the afl.

fogarty is slow and one of the worst midfield kick ive seen in 25 years. He does ok on my shimmy measure but you cant just be a player who can shimmy.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Fogarty is slow, injury prone and can't hit the side of a shed with a kick. He is ok at getting a hand pass out of traffic though lol...

 

[Virus]

Lang played 20 games for Carlton. Smedts 9. All I’m saying is Fogarty will better both of those because he’s a better player.

Wow. Surely Billie played more games than Lang? Darcy isn’t fit to lace Smedt’s laces.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Wow. Surely Billie played more games than Lang? Darcy isn’t fit to lace Smedt’s laces.

Lang made the most of what he had.

Smedts never bothered learning how to play football with the big boys.

 

[Malifice]

Which at his age makes him a failed pick. Everyone thought he was going to be a gun. Even mid this season.

He's a third year player who's missed a lot of games from injury.

Dangerfield averaged 6 disposals a game in his first year, 13 in his second, 15 in his third and 17 in his 4th season. It wasn't till his 5th season he averaged 26 disposals.

GAJ averaged 8, 14, 14, 18 and 16 disposals over his first 5 seasons. It wasn't until season 6 when he exploded with 26.7 average disposals.

Im not saying Fog is going to come close to either of those blokes, but jeeze we write off kids way too early around here.

He's shown he can average a dozen disposals a game as a 1st year player which is better than GAJ and Danger could manage. Way too early to write off a 3rd year player with his injury history.

 

[GeelongFTW]

He's a third year player who's missed a lot of games from injury.

Dangerfield averaged 6 disposals a game in his first year, 13 in his second, 15 in his third and 17 in his 4th season. It wasn't till his 5th season he averaged 26 disposals.

GAJ averaged 8, 14, 14, 18 and 16 disposals over his first 5 seasons. It wasn't until season 6 when he exploded with 26.7 average disposals.

Im not saying Fog is going to come close to either of those blokes, but jeeze we write off kids way too early around here.

He's shown he can average a dozen disposals a game as a 1st year player which is better than GAJ and Danger could manage. Way too early to write off a 3rd year player with his injury history.

You cant just rely on stats-even with that favourable comparasion. Fogarty ceiling is only ever going to be a good average player (if he makes it at all). Compare that to Jordan Clark

6

Jordan Clark

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

where the skies the limit- even if he technically hasn't put any runs on the board.

Good luck to him at Carlton but i doubt we "miss him" even if he scrapes together a 100+ game career

 

[Malifice]

You cant just rely on stats-even with that favourable comparasion. Fogarty ceiling is only ever going to be a good average player (if he makes it at all). Compare that to Jordan Clark

6

Jordan Clark

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

where the skies the limit- even if he technically hasn't put any runs on the board.

Good luck to him at Carlton but i doubt we "miss him" even if he scrapes together a 100+ game career

It's not just stats; we expect too much of players in their first 4-5 years. Most blokes haven't grown into their bodies till they've hit 5 pre seasons and around 100 games.

It's usually at that 4-5 pre seasons and 100 games mark that they come of age, and they dont usually peak till around the age of 28 or so.

There are guys that jump out of the blocks early (Judd, Rowell etc) but it takes most guys a fair few years to really find their feet.

 

[Lana]

It's not just stats; we expect too much of players in their first 4-5 years. Most blokes haven't grown into their bodies till they've hit 5 pre seasons and around 100 games.

It's usually at that 4-5 pre seasons and 100 games mark that they come of age, and they dont usually peak till around the age of 28 or so.

There are guys that jump out of the blocks early (Judd, Rowell etc) but it takes most guys a fair few years to really find their feet.

Most players don't to make it 100 games, he won't be at your club when he is 28.

You're optimistically ignoring his attributes, he's not a skinny beanpole, he's a small inside mid, with no pace, little goal sense and a 45 metre kick. He's going to get a little bigger and a little bit more fit but guys his size usually need to have some sort of special attribute. Unfortunately he is vanilla as they come.

 

[Malifice]

You're optimistically ignoring his attributes, he's not a skinny beanpole, he's a small inside mid, with no pace, little goal sense and a 45 metre kick.

Ed Curnow, and Andrew Carrazo forged pretty handy careers with those exact attributes (although Curnow is an elite endurance athlete).

He appears elite with tackling, and his inside work with his hands is good. I'm pretty happy with the pick up for little more than an 8 pick downgrade in the 30's in what is a pretty speculative draft this year.

He had a few traits to make people take notice in his draft year, and his first year in AFL (according to this thread).

Im not expecting much, but I'm pretty happy to give him a look.

 

[Seeds]

He's a third year player who's missed a lot of games from injury.

Dangerfield averaged 6 disposals a game in his first year, 13 in his second, 15 in his third and 17 in his 4th season. It wasn't till his 5th season he averaged 26 disposals.

GAJ averaged 8, 14, 14, 18 and 16 disposals over his first 5 seasons. It wasn't until season 6 when he exploded with 26.7 average disposals.

Im not saying Fog is going to come close to either of those blokes, but jeeze we write off kids way too early around here.

He's shown he can average a dozen disposals a game as a 1st year player which is better than GAJ and Danger could manage. Way too early to write off a 3rd year player with his injury history.

Gaj and danger had talent. They created goals out of nothing from the very beginning.

fogarty has a good tackle, ok shimmy and decent handball. But his speed and kicking are both deplorable. worst midfield kick ive seen in two decades.

 

[Lana]

Ed Curnow, and Andrew Carrazo forged pretty handy careers with those exact attributes (although Curnow is an elite endurance athlete).

He appears elite with tackling, and his inside work with his hands is good. I'm pretty happy with the pick up for little more than an 8 pick downgrade in the 30's in what is a pretty speculative draft this year.

He had a few traits to make people take notice in his draft year, and his first year in AFL (according to this thread).

Im not expecting much, but I'm pretty happy to give him a look.

Carrazzo was around 2 and half inches taller, and Fogarty doesn't have Curnows 16+ beep. These are traits that would set them apart from the large pool of players who are first choice midfielders in the 2nd tier competitions.

I tried to find the post draft video for Fogarty, but I remember Wells saying something on the lines of we weren't expecting Fogerty to be available for our first pick, so we had done less homework on him.

I'm not saying that you over paid to get him, but we knew what we were letting go.

 

[Tony Barber]

Ed Curnow, and Andrew Carrazo forged pretty handy careers with those exact attributes (although Curnow is an elite endurance athlete).

He appears elite with tackling, and his inside work with his hands is good. I'm pretty happy with the pick up for little more than an 8 pick downgrade in the 30's in what is a pretty speculative draft this year.

He had a few traits to make people take notice in his draft year, and his first year in AFL (according to this thread).

Im not expecting much, but I'm pretty happy to give him a look.

It depends how you play him.
Geelong supporters are amazing at casting away players once they are gone.

I love his hands in tight. And he's not even used to the speed of afl yet.
Worthwhile pick for what you gave up.

 

[Malifice]

It depends how you play him.
Geelong supporters are amazing at casting away players once they are gone.

I love his hands in tight. And he's not even used to the speed of afl yet.
Worthwhile pick for what you gave up.

Thats how i see it too. Good clean and fast hands, runs both ways and loves a tackle (and they stick).

We have too many frontrunners at Carlton. Cripps is slow and not a good kick (but seriously elite hands, and built like a brick shithouse), Murphy only runs one way and doesn't tackle, Curnow only tackles (but can run all day long) and specialises in the quick kick out of congestion. Williams hopefully gives us some speed around the contest, and is a good kick (with some question marks around endurance in the gig full time). Walsh has endurance, excellent second efforts and high disposal numbers for a kid of his age (insane numbers really) but his disposal is iffy.

Give me a hard-nut who can tackle, apply contestant pressure and get the ball to a Williams, Saad, SPS or Walsh on the outside, and I'm reasonably happy even if his numbers are 20 odd touches a game.

I reckon we backed ourselves to get his body right and build the guy a tank via Andrew Russell as a potential replacement for the 30 year old Ed Curnow.

It's not like we paid that much, and I reckon he's worth the look at the price we paid.

 

[Warhorse]

I think he is an goodpick up for Carlton. Parfitt has him covered as a defensive midfielder who can't kick. Can't have them both in our team.

 

[Whit3y]

It depends how you play him.
Geelong supporters are amazing at casting away players once they are gone.

Those same supporters think that same player is the next Enright when they are still at the club.

 

[Shadow89]

Thats how i see it too. Good clean and fast hands, runs both ways and loves a tackle (and they stick).

We have too many frontrunners at Carlton. Cripps is slow and not a good kick (but seriously elite hands, and built like a brick shithouse), Murphy only runs one way and doesn't tackle, Curnow only tackles (but can run all day long) and specialises in the quick kick out of congestion. Williams hopefully gives us some speed around the contest, and is a good kick (with some question marks around endurance in the gig full time). Walsh has endurance, excellent second efforts and high disposal numbers for a kid of his age (insane numbers really) but his disposal is iffy.

Give me a hard-nut who can tackle, apply contestant pressure and get the ball to a Williams, Saad, SPS or Walsh on the outside, and I'm reasonably happy even if his numbers are 20 odd touches a game.

I reckon we backed ourselves to get his body right and build the guy a tank via Andrew Russell as a potential replacement for the 30 year old Ed Curnow.

It's not like we paid that much, and I reckon he's worth the look at the price we paid.

100% will be a decent pick up for you guys. Only shortfall is, his kicking seems to have somehow got even worse since he was drafted.

Winced more than once when he turned it over 3 separate times by foot against the Tiges in our game prior to the GF. Not sure you can fix that, which seems to be the big problem with Dow too IMO, but he does have other attributes which make him handy as a small forward/inside mid

 

[BORIS332]

He's a third year player who's missed a lot of games from injury.

Dangerfield averaged 6 disposals a game in his first year, 13 in his second, 15 in his third and 17 in his 4th season. It wasn't till his 5th season he averaged 26 disposals.

GAJ averaged 8, 14, 14, 18 and 16 disposals over his first 5 seasons. It wasn't until season 6 when he exploded with 26.7 average disposals.

Im not saying Fog is going to come close to either of those blokes, but jeeze we write off kids way too early around here.

He's shown he can average a dozen disposals a game as a 1st year player which is better than GAJ and Danger could manage. Way too early to write off a 3rd year player with his injury history.

Not the best comparison; Danger only played two games in that first year, in one of them he only had 3 handballs so I'm guessing he got injured. Gaz was playing in a forward pocket in his early career.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Not the best comparison; Danger only played two games in that first year, in one of them he only had 3 handballs so I'm guessing he got injured. Gaz was playing in a forward pocket in his early career.

I think Danger wanted to finish school or something similar in his first year

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think Danger wanted to finish school or something similar in his first year

Crows let him stay at home to do year 12 he only flew in to play a couple of games.

 

[Hamingja]

I think he is an goodpick up for Carlton. Parfitt has him covered as a defensive midfielder who can't kick. Can't have them both in our team.

Yep that is the only role for Fogarty if he is going to make it at AFL level.

 

[My Tilly]

Much happier to have Constable than Fogarty.
Not a fan of whippets as midfielders. Unless they are physically & athletically gifted, they just get cut to pieces against the modern day 6ft'2 mids.

 

[STPer18]

I didn't mind him when he was afforded stints in the middle, but his kicking was something else. Will need to improve that immensely if he wants to make the grade.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Had to laugh when it was reported that Carlton got him to add some pace to their squad, the guy moves like my grandma.

When you add the fact that he wants to play midfield and can't kick to save his life I'm not sure this one will hurt us.

 

[feelinfeline]

His kicking is nowhere near as bad as people make out.

Deserves another chance and I’m glad he’s got it.