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  1. Mad_Hatter

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    IIRC and it's a bit hazy to be honest, he tried a coup, failed, was given Chancellor (head of the Parliment) then faked an attack and used it to grasp power over the Parliment then he instantly disallowed any opposite political parties. Bang, dictator.
    Like I said the details are a touch hazy since it's been a long time since I've read anything on that period prior to the war.
     
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  2. Partridge

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    Pretty much got all the main details. He was democratically elected; but the party never got more than 37% of the vote before the elections were openly rigged.

    Another factor among many to bear in mind was the Weimar Republic was a complete basket case. Very susceptible to a strong leader taking control.
     
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    What’s never been disputed is that he was an electrifying public speaker. His only real talent and what took him from the Munich barracks to the public.
     
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    He got into a coalition with one of the other right wing parties and that helped him to become Chancellor. The leader of this other right wing party (von Papen) believed he could control Hitler (as Hitler had no political experience), thus persuaded Hindenburg (the President) to appoint Hitler as Chancellor.
     
  5. Down at K Park

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    The brown shirts - the SA. They had gone on a power trip so Hitler made up accusations against their leaders and many were murdered in the night of the long knives, and he took control of the SA before integrating many of them into the SS.

    Hitler used the fire in the reichstag (which he probably had started) as proof of a communist conspiracy against the german government, so used that to bring in emergency powers which he used to destroy his communist opposition. Which gave him near complete control. Then hindenburg died, so hitler had his job deleted and fuhrer became the controlling leader.

    Despite being a monster he was a bloody shrewd and cunning man.
     
  6. Spazz Cat

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    The more I hear about Hitler the less I like.
     
  7. ATSAM

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    And at the end, probably for the last two to three years of his life completely off his head on drugs which included a substance similar to 'ice'. So his henchmen, who were equally as mad, had control to do whatever they liked.
    Ten years prior he had killed of , literally, hos opposition, trade unionists and left wingers and any one in a position to oppose him plus a whole lot of other people who o9ffended his sensibilities and view of the Aryan race eg people with a disability.
    ITs called fascism and of the problems is that the german people let it happen. It can happen again.
     
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    During the blitzkrieg the troops were given meth to stay awake. It was widely used by the troops during the war.

    Not to mention US fighter pilots get "speed pills" to stay awake and alert too. But they try to keep that quiet.
     
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    Didn’t capture Leningrad either! .


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    Not quite. While Hitler fell into disrepair, physically and mentally his henchmen could never really do 'as they liked' with the possible exception of Martin Bormann. Bormann's powerbase was derived over controlling access to the Fuhrer as opposed to controlling him. The entire leadership structure of the Nazi party was designed so that other senior figures relied on Hitler to make a decision. There was no structured leadership like the Soviet Union which is why, Rohm aside, there was no major cull of leadership figures of the Nazi party akin to Stalin's purges.

    When the assassination attempt failed in 1944 Hitler consolidated his power at the expense of the military and despite failing health, he involved himself more and more in strategic decisions. In a tragedy for Germany, he even believed he had some sort of devine intervention when the bomb failed to kill him. The number one comment from history that supports the concept of the henchmen not having clout was when Goring was asked at Nuremberg 'who went against the Fuhrer?' and Goring replied 'no one above the ground'.
     
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    If Hitler takes Moscow he wins the war in my view. He split his forces and gave time for the Russians to dig in. They wouldn't have had to have 'beaten the Russians', keeping on the other side of the urals would be the same thing. Taking Moscow and having a concentrated focus could have (arguably) prevented the loss of 250k troops on the Volga which was the turning point of the European theatre. Supplying a secured Moscow would have been a doddle for the Luftwaffe as opposed to supplying the Stalingrad Kessel later on.
     

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    Stalin was visible at the Kremlin with the Werhmacht kilometers away. While he was just as big a monster he showed more courage than Hitler did in 1945.
     
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    The scariest speech is actually by Joseph Gobbels. The Nazis were getting smashed on all sides and the call was for TOTALLER KRIEG. DO YOU WANT TOTAL WAR!!? The idiots were lapping it up and clapping and cheering. Really unsettling. As for the Nazi party performance, the party tended to do well in times of emergency or hardship. The Weimar republic had a slim chance only of succeeding in a nation that had no democratic tradition. When the depression struck Germany was hit harder economically than any other nation due to reparations. The cause of world war I was the disruption of the balance of power and the cause of world war II was world war I. It has been described as the European Civil war which no European nation won.
     
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    The irony being that it is now germany asking for reparations from greece. You think they would know where reparations that are impossible to pay back will lead.
     
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    No democratic tradition isn't really true. Sure Deutsches Reich (Weimar Republic for all you Auslander) was neither a stable or mature democracy but the Holy Roman Empire was an elective system in a time when many countries were purely feudal and there were elections in Das Kaiserreich though not in such a way to determine national government.
     
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    Wow.. some quality history buffs in the house here.. :thumbsu:

    It’s the off-season so the latitude has been wider but now it’s feb it’s time to steer the more sussinct course..

    That’s my long winded way of saying that no more history posts please.

    It’s been good but now back to the war.. the GFC vs the rest kind..

    I know more mentioned before but please heed it this time.

    Go Catters
     
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    Beat me to it Daz.....delete finger is twitching.....
     
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    Stopped this thread in its tracks...............:'(


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    but Daz... I was learning so much :(
     
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    This from a Bombers supporter on the main board....

    :eek:
     
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    That's only Jade, he's a complete flog.
     
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